Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-10 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Simon Riggs wrote: > On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 22:29 +0800, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: > >> There appears to be some confusion here. We're not recommending a >> version of PostgreSQL that end-users should use; we're nominating the >> minimum possible version that pass

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-10 Thread David
I think Redhat added a postgresql-server84 package in RHEL5.5 but that's in addition to regular postgresql-server (8.1) package, not instead of it. Postgres 8.1 is the standard version on RHEL5.x. Since RHEL6 is based on Fedora12, I believe it will use Postgres 8.4. On Jun 10, 8:23 am, Adam Nelso

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-10 Thread Simon Riggs
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 22:29 +0800, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: > There appears to be some confusion here. We're not recommending a > version of PostgreSQL that end-users should use; we're nominating the > minimum possible version that passes Django's test suite. PostgreSQL > 7.4 may be bad for all

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-10 Thread Adam Nelson
I agree with Simon, Jerome et al. Django 1.3 should feel free to go to 8.3 as a minimum Postgres if there are db backend changes that could take advantage of those versions' capabilities. Ubuntu Hardy (the previous LTS) uses Postgres 8.3 and RHEL 5.5 uses 8.4. It really seems to me that the Djan

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-10 Thread Jerome Leclanche
This is not a "good" thing, in my opinion. There are a lot of features in postgres 8.0, 8.1 and 8.2 which we *should* make available to end users (and even enforce in some cases). Dropping support for old dependencies is a very good thing and hell knows how much fire this sort of thing started in

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-10 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:21 PM, si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: > > On Jun 10, 6:53 am, Paul McMillan wrote: >> +1 for option 2. >> >> Changing 1.2 behavior now seems like a bad idea, and Jacob's arguments >> are good. > > Jacob's arguments are good; I would suggest Django goes further still. > > P

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-10 Thread Simon Riggs
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 13:41 +0400, reg...@messir.net wrote: > For old postgress we have old django. So, do not hesitate kicking off > old code. Even 8.2 version is very-very old so it's okay to depend on > 8.2+. > > > While we support PostgreSQL, our documentation doesn't actually > > specify a mi

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-10 Thread si...@2ndquadrant.com
On Jun 10, 6:53 am, Paul McMillan wrote: > +1 for option 2. > > Changing 1.2 behavior now seems like a bad idea, and Jacob's arguments > are good. Jacob's arguments are good; I would suggest Django goes further still. PostgreSQL... 7.4 and 8.0 are slated for de-support as soon as 9.0 is release

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-10 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote: > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Russell Keith-Magee > wrote: >> PostgreSQL 7.4 was released in November 2005, and will be end-of-lifed >> (along with PostgreSQL 8.0) in July this year. Our usual yardstick of >> slow updates, RHEL4, shipp

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-10 Thread reg_gc
For old postgress we have old django. So, do not hesitate kicking off old code. Even 8.2 version is very-very old so it's okay to depend on 8.2+. > While we support PostgreSQL, our documentation doesn't actually > specify a minimum supported version. We have a couple of features that > are no-ops

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-09 Thread Paul McMillan
+1 for option 2. Changing 1.2 behavior now seems like a bad idea, and Jacob's arguments are good. -Paul On Jun 9, 10:22 am, Felipe Prenholato wrote: > +1 for options 1 and 2. > > I think that change for 1.2.x is to close and we probably have some users > that not want this change now. Set Postg

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-09 Thread Felipe Prenholato
+1 for options 1 and 2. I think that change for 1.2.x is to close and we probably have some users that not want this change now. Set Postgres 8.0 to 1.3 give this users time to move. And, as Jacob said, do retroative changes from this category now isn't a good idea. 2010/6/9 Jacob Kaplan-Moss

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-09 Thread Matt Hoskins
> If we'd thought of it, dropping 7.4 support in 1.2 would have been the > right thing to do. However, retroactively doing so now would be abuse > of the time machine privileges and I'd like to avoid being grounded. > #1's not worth the effort, so that just leaves #2, which sounds about > right to

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-09 Thread Jacob Kaplan-Moss
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: > PostgreSQL 7.4 was released in November 2005, and will be end-of-lifed > (along with PostgreSQL 8.0) in July this year. Our usual yardstick of > slow updates, RHEL4, shipped with PostgreSQL 7.4. RHEL5 shipped with > PostgreSQL 8.1. And

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-09 Thread Matt Hoskins
I have already given some of my thoughts on django-users and on the ticket for 8901... Andrew Godwin's reasoning above feels sound to me, so considering that and that 1.1 would still work for postgres 7.4 users (plus my desire to see the bug in 8901 fixed sooner rather than later as it does affect

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-09 Thread Harro
+1 on option 3. Oldest postgresql we have is 8.2. I pity the fool who didn't upgrade ! On Jun 9, 2:38 pm, Antoni Aloy wrote: > +1 on Drop 7.4 PostgreSQL support. Postgressql 8.x series has lots of > performance and utility features and it would be a pity to remain in > 7.4. > > -- > Antoni Aloy

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-09 Thread Antoni Aloy
+1 on Drop 7.4 PostgreSQL support. Postgressql 8.x series has lots of performance and utility features and it would be a pity to remain in 7.4. -- Antoni Aloy López Blog: http://trespams.com Site: http://apsl.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Dja

Re: Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-09 Thread Andrew Godwin
On 09/06/2010 12:59, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: Hi all, While we support PostgreSQL, our documentation doesn't actually specify a minimum supported version. We have a couple of features that are no-ops for versions prior to 8.2 (savepoints and database autocommit), but we don't actually document

Decision required: PostgreSQL minimum versions

2010-06-09 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
Hi all, While we support PostgreSQL, our documentation doesn't actually specify a minimum supported version. We have a couple of features that are no-ops for versions prior to 8.2 (savepoints and database autocommit), but we don't actually document a minimum required version. We have a specified