Hi Justin,
This email thread was not Meira's only contribution to the debate. In my
opinion, if you take the rest of her contributions into account, and the
general direction the debate was taking at the time, a reminder to her and
others about the existence and consequences of the code of conduct
OK, I guess I'll weigh in on the substance.
The thing about "master" and "slave" is not (or at least not only) that
they refer to a sociopolitical configuration that is objectionable (for
example, the institutionally racist forms of slavery that have occurred in
many parts of the world throughout
Although Meira's comments are disagreeable to me, and in at least one case
clearly factually incorrect, she has not come close to violating the code
of conduct. Nor has she been particularly disrespectful. To even talk
abut banning her is absurd, particularly in a thread whose subject is
developi
Meira, your position has been made abundantly clear, and now your behavior
is treading dangerously close to the line. I'll remind you and others of
our community's code of conduct (https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/),
which specifically requires that we be welcoming, friendly, patient, and
resp
I meant legally, of course. It is illegal now. Should we ban the word
"drugstore" too, maybe?
I previously pointed out that I'm aware of the fact that there still is
slavery in one form or another. I also mentioned that I don't believe this
change made django more attractive for any of the curr
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Meira wrote:
> I think it makes more sense to count reasonable arguments of both sides,
> not the people who thumb up in the comments (by the way, those who thumb up
> are mostly Americans, isn't that discrimination?)
> If using the word "slave" is immediately as
I think it makes more sense to count reasonable arguments of both sides,
not the people who thumb up in the comments (by the way, those who thumb up
are mostly Americans, isn't that discrimination?)
If using the word "slave" is immediately associated with racism, it's a
sign that we might have t
On Tue, May 27, 2014, Andromeda Yelton wrote:
>Which is a little beside the point as the process for merging PRs is not,
>in fact, democracy. But is also fantastic, because I've spent the last
>week reading TRAC and hanging out here and talking to lots of people trying
>to figure out if Django w
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Florian Apolloner
wrote:
> To be honest, looking at the PR the "many community members" probably
> reduce to a number countable with all of my fingers.
>
Of the first 150 distinct commenters, 120 support the change (including
everyone who is recognizably a person
On 05/27/2014 06:07 PM, Meira wrote:
> It seems to be, there are enough reasonable people leaving comments
> like this one:
> https://github.com/django/django/pull/2720#issuecomment-44296843
Hi Meira
Unfortunately I have to agree, that calling some people "primaries" and
some "replicas" is a serio
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Meira wrote:
> It seems to be, there are enough reasonable people leaving comments like
> this one: https://github.com/django/django/pull/2720#issuecomment-44296843
>
We'll just get the databases to change their terminology before we change
ours!
Of course, the
It seems to be, there are enough reasonable people leaving comments like
this one: https://github.com/django/django/pull/2720#issuecomment-44296843
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:47:02 PM UTC+7, Daniele Procida wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2014, Meira > wrote:
>
> >> This second commit was discussed
On Tue, May 27, 2014, Meira wrote:
>> This second commit was discussed in a Trac ticket and everyone (even you!)
>> was welcome to give their opinion.
>>
>
>That's all nice and good, but why is the discussion taking the course of
>whether or not we're accepting the second commit? It is clearly
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:38:23 PM UTC+2, Meira wrote:
>
> This second commit was discussed in a Trac ticket and everyone (even you!)
>> was welcome to give their opinion.
>>
>
> That's all nice and good, but why is the discussion taking the course of
> whether or not we're accepting the seco
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Meira wrote:
> This second commit was discussed in a Trac ticket and everyone (even you!)
>> was welcome to give their opinion.
>>
>
> That's all nice and good, but why is the discussion taking the course of
> whether or not we're accepting the second commit? It
>
> This second commit was discussed in a Trac ticket and everyone (even you!)
> was welcome to give their opinion.
>
That's all nice and good, but why is the discussion taking the course of
whether or not we're accepting the second commit? It is clearly better than
the first. The question is
In the interest of giving the full story to those who're genuinely worried that
core devs don't give a fuck about the community — community being defined as
the people who discovered this change on django-updates, not on 4chan or Hacker
News...
> Le 27 mai 2014 à 16:24, Meira a écrit :
>
> I
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 4:24:51 PM UTC+2, Meira wrote:
> I appreciate your reply very much! And sure it's not wise to rename things
> every time someone asks for it, even when it's a lot of people. But same
> applies to the original renaming commit, doesnt it?
>
Yes and no, we trust our comm
I appreciate your reply very much! And sure it's not wise to rename things
every time someone asks for it, even when it's a lot of people. But same
applies to the original renaming commit, doesnt it?
I would suggest that leaving names the way they have been since a long time
is the best option.
On Tue, May 27, 2014, Meira wrote:
>Sorry, I accidentally sent a private reply :) I'll try to repeat it here
>for others.
I have replied, privately, but I wanted to add publicly:
>The community is trying to protect the django project from the attack of
>people who seek no good for django. Ple
Sorry, I accidentally sent a private reply :) I'll try to repeat it here
for others.
Those silly pictures are the community's emotional reply to an issue that
they care about. I don't think calling the contributors "silly" is exactly
politically correct, too, since we are on that level now :)
On Tue, May 27, 2014, Meira wrote:
>As some of you may have notice, a hot discussion is happening in the
>comments of this pull request: https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692
If by "hot discussion" you mean silly pictures and noisy accusations...
There is a discussion to be had about this
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