Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-10 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 6:11 AM, Andrew Pinkham wrote: > Hi, > I am not qualified enough to express an opinion on the matter of the DCoC. > However, I have a few questions: > > - Have we consulted a psychologist or a specialist on the topics of > community inclusion and protection? Their knowledg

Re: Unifying locale time formats

2014-09-10 Thread Andrew Pinkham
On Sep 10, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Malte wrote: > That's a lot of locales to change though. I am still somewhat new to Git. How > would you go about it? I asked about Git recently on the Django Core Mentorship list. Carl Meyer responded with a really good workflow for creating a PR. I have copied key

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-10 Thread Andrew Pinkham
Hi, I am not qualified enough to express an opinion on the matter of the DCoC. However, I have a few questions: - Have we consulted a psychologist or a specialist on the topics of community inclusion and protection? Their knowledge/research could be instrumental in determining the best way to w

Re: Unifying locale time formats

2014-09-10 Thread duncan . parkes
On Wednesday, 10 September 2014 22:21:39 UTC+1, Malte wrote: > > That's a lot of locales to change though. I am still somewhat new to Git. > How would you go about it? > Oddly, I came to the same conclusion last night that seconds should be removed and was just contemplating writing a pull req

Re: Draft DEP: ORM expressions API changes

2014-09-10 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
Hi Anssi, My only concern about pushing the DEP and formally numbering it is that we haven't fully worked out what our DEP process *is* yet. I'm still recovering from DjangoCon US jet lag, but once that has worn off, I've got some ideas about how we can use the DEP process and the technical board

Re: Unifying locale time formats

2014-09-10 Thread Malte
Hi Wim, That's a lot of locales to change though. I am still somewhat new to Git. How would you go about it? On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:18:04 PM UTC+2, Wim Feijen wrote: > > Hi Malte, > > Sounds like a good idea to remove the seconds. Aymeric says the same. > > Can you open a ticket an

Re: Unifying locale time formats

2014-09-10 Thread Wim Feijen
Hi Malte, Sounds like a good idea to remove the seconds. Aymeric says the same. Can you open a ticket and if you want create a pull request? Wim On Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:26:11 UTC+2, Malte wrote: > > Hi Aymeric, > > Yes, I agree. And backwards compatibility is a concern I share. But

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-10 Thread Kevin Daum
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:39:51 AM UTC-4, Josh Smeaton wrote: > > Kevin, > > > It simply says, in deliberately vague language, that if a member of the > Django community is treated abusively by another member of the Django > community _outside_ a Django forum and that abuse is reporte

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-10 Thread Stephen Burrows
Benjamin, 1. It's not a zero-tolerance policy, and it never has been. So all of your arguments based on that idea are null and void. 2. The only instance of "abuse" of the policy relates to behavior that was inappropriate even given cultural differences. Just because you don't understand somethin

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-10 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
Hi Josh, I agree with and understand your sentiments. However, you are basically arguing that since we cannot count on the common sense of the user community to behave professionally in professional environments, we must therefore count on the commonsense of TPTB who will enforce a speech and

Re: Unifying locale time formats

2014-09-10 Thread Malte
Hi Aymeric, Yes, I agree. And backwards compatibility is a concern I share. But as it is right now, time output is not very useful if it includes seconds. Few people will state: "Posted on 10.9.2014 20:45:29". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Djang

Re: Unifying locale time formats

2014-09-10 Thread Malte
Hi Aymeric, Yes, I agree. And backwards compatibility is a concern I share. But as it is right now, time output is not very useful if it includes seconds. Few people will state: "Posted on 10.9.2014 20:45:29". On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:10:44 PM UTC+2, Aymeric Augustin wrote: > > While

Re: Unifying locale time formats

2014-09-10 Thread Aymeric Augustin
While there are some backwards compatibility concerns, I believe option 1 is better: - It provides consistency out-of-the-box for international websites. - It makes the default behavior more reasonable in general. -- Aymeric. 2014-09-10 17:56 GMT+02:00 Malte : > Hi! > > I recently contributed

Unifying locale time formats

2014-09-10 Thread Malte
Hi! I recently contributed the zh_CN, zh_TW, zh_Hans and zh_Hant locale formats. These locale formats enable dates and times to be formatted correctly in a given locale. While doing this, I noticed different authors have very different ideas of how time should be displayed, in particular, some

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-10 Thread Daniele Procida
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014, Josh Smeaton wrote: >Perhaps the wording could then be closer to the intent. Something like "if >a member of the Django community is treated abusively by another member of >the Django community outside of a Django forum, and is reported, it will >warrant investigation and

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-10 Thread Josh Smeaton
Kevin, > It simply says, in deliberately vague language, that if a member of the Django community is treated abusively by another member of the Django community _outside_ a Django forum and that abuse is reported to the conduct committee, the committee will not reject the report outright simply

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-10 Thread Kevin Daum
Benjamin (and all others still paying attention), I love the Django code of conduct. It's not perfect but it's quite good. How does a person who claims one or even many historically marginalized identities know that the Django community is a safe place for them without a published and enforced

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-10 Thread Josh Smeaton
Ben, I know you haven't advocated the removal of the CoC (or #84 for that matter), but you've questioned speech and behaviour limitations upthread, so I thought I would include my thougths of a CoC in general. Just because the code of conduct hasn't been used for intervention (forgetting the o

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-10 Thread Josh Smeaton
(I found I've said "correct me if I'm wrong" in nearly every paragraph I've written - so please, correct anything below that you don't agree with) I've been wanting to stay out of this conversation because, as Aymeric put it, it is a very sensitive topic. But I've got a few things to say. It se

Re: Draft DEP: ORM expressions API changes

2014-09-10 Thread Anssi Kääriäinen
I plan to push the DEP as draft to the django/deps repository. The DEP will be DEP number 2. DEP 2 will need to be accepted or rejected eventually. Before that it doesn't have any official status. I am planning to do the push as this way it is easier to work on it collaboratively. There is a lot