Re: Single-argument filters: really a benefit?

2007-04-10 Thread Daniel Brandt
On 4/11/07, Brian Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I consider this a wart and it's been bugging me for a while. So, > sparked by some discussion in #django, here goes... > > I'd like it if template filters supported multiple arguments for real. > Currently filters that need multiple arguments j

Re: Removing auto_now and auto_now_add

2007-04-10 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On 4/10/07, Adrian Holovaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 4/10/07, Russell Keith-Magee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2) (Jacob) Add a child class of DateTimeField that defines the > > required pre_save behaviour. > > > Solution #2 seems the cleanest to me, and it has the advantage that > docu

Re: #3527 - better debug traceback with code executing...

2007-04-10 Thread Marek Kubica
Hello, On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:19:18 -0700, Armin Ronacher wrote: > Alright. Patch here: http://pocoo.org/~mitsuhiko/django_debugger.patch > Screenshot here: http://pocoo.org/~mitsuhiko/djangodebug.png That's definitely cool. There are cases in which you'd like to have a prompt to check what went

Re: contrib proposal: django-values

2007-04-10 Thread Ian Holsman
I have something similar to this in the Zyon's codebase. but I called it 'preferences' (see http://zyons.com/preferences/ ) The zyons version allows for: - constants at the site level (ie max blog comments can be different on different sites) - allows users (registered and anonymous) to set t

Single-argument filters: really a benefit?

2007-04-10 Thread Brian Beck
I consider this a wart and it's been bugging me for a while. So, sparked by some discussion in #django, here goes... I'd like it if template filters supported multiple arguments for real. Currently filters that need multiple arguments just have to come up with a delimiter and then do string parsi

Re: contrib proposal: django-values

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am not a fan of reusing the existing model fields classes for all the reasons you specified. How would a FileField or an ImageField work? How would the proposed CreatedTimestamp/ModifiedTimestamp fields work? ForeignKey? yikes. The added confusion for users and developers who are extending or c

Re: contrib proposal: django-values

2007-04-10 Thread Gulopine
In working a bit with this, I noticed something. Once these constant definitions are moved outside the main field namespace, there's no longer a clash of functionality between standard fields and these constant values. That clash was the primary reason I had to recreate the basic functionality of

Re: Removing auto_now and auto_now_add

2007-04-10 Thread Todd O'Bryan
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 10:25 -0700, Gulopine wrote: > On 4/10/07, Todd O'Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Given that logic (which, as I said, may or may not be a correct > > recollection), I vote for Jacob's solution. In fact, it might be cleaner > > to have CreationTimestamp and ModifiedTimest

Re: Removing auto_now and auto_now_add

2007-04-10 Thread Gulopine
On 4/10/07, Todd O'Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Given that logic (which, as I said, may or may not be a correct > recollection), I vote for Jacob's solution. In fact, it might be cleaner > to have CreationTimestamp and ModifiedTimestamp fields (both subclasses > of DateTimeField) so that it'

Re: editable attribute limitation

2007-04-10 Thread Baptiste
Like I said, I wanted to do that this aftertoon and then I saw your patch... which fits exactly to what I needed. It is imo an useful change - and not only because I would need it - that should be integrated in the core. On 10 avr, 14:41, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Done: > >

Re: Removing auto_now and auto_now_add

2007-04-10 Thread Jacob Kaplan-Moss
On 4/10/07, Todd O'Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Given that logic (which, as I said, may or may not be a correct > recollection), I vote for Jacob's solution. In fact, it might be cleaner > to have CreationTimestamp and ModifiedTimestamp fields (both subclasses > of DateTimeField) so that it'

Add note about removing egg to install docs?

2007-04-10 Thread Jay Parlar
Recently in [1], someone ran into a problem after installing 0.96. Namely, the 0.95 egg was still on the system, and overriding the 0.96 install. Could we maybe get a note in the install document to help people out with this? I forsee lots of people asking about this in the near future, as more p

Re: editable attribute limitation

2007-04-10 Thread James Stembridge
Hi Philippe On Apr 10, 1:41 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/3990 Perhaps a simpler way of handling things: 1. Leave the current behaviour of "editable=False" as is, i.e. if set the field will not by default appear in the admin interface.

Re: Removing auto_now and auto_now_add

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5) decorators for modify on save http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers/browse_thread/thread/4cd631c225cb4e52/# I am still working on the end implementation, I have many models which implement some sort of dynamic update on save given a condition. The auto_now and auto_add_now are just

Re: Removing auto_now and auto_now_add

2007-04-10 Thread Todd O'Bryan
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 13:51 +0800, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: > However, I haven't been able to find the original discussion leading > to this decision in the archives (other than a reference in the early > discussions about model validation [1]), so I haven't been able to > establish the source

Re: Removing auto_now and auto_now_add

2007-04-10 Thread Adrian Holovaty
On 4/10/07, Russell Keith-Magee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) Leave it completely up to the user to define their own auto_now equivalent. > > 2) (Jacob) Add a child class of DateTimeField that defines the > required pre_save behaviour. > > 3) (Brian Beck) Add a 'default_condition' parameter - a

Re: editable attribute limitation

2007-04-10 Thread Aidas Bendoraitis
Sorry, it seems, that I misunderstood something, because I was reading only this discussion, but not the ticket information. Regards, Aidas Bendoraitis aka Archatas On 4/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Done: > > http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/3990 > > Please note

Re: editable attribute limitation

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Done: http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/3990 Please note that the submitted is different from what we discussed. I have created a new option for the AdminModel class and left the non- editable fields out of the picture. Aidas: what you're looking for is editable=False :) --~--~-~--

Re: Negative numbers comparison bug(?)

2007-04-10 Thread Jacob Kaplan-Moss
Hi Ryan -- Please direct questions of this nature to django-users; django-dev is used to discuss the development of Django itself, not to answer usage questions. To try to answer your question, though: have you tried phrasing your queries in less than/greater than form (i.e. filter(lat__gt=-3, l

SQLServer Updates?

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Been following ticket 2358 ( http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/2358 ) with interest and have even emailed a few people listed as participating in this effort but have not been able to get any sense of how/if this is coming along. I've even offered to provide dev/test assistance but received no

Re: unicode-branch: string handling

2007-04-10 Thread Adam Findley
Gábor Farkas wrote: > i'd like to know about Request objects... how "early" do you plan to > switch to unicode? > > will request.GET/POST already contain unicode-keys + unicode-values? > > what about request.META? > > > i would personally like to have GET/POST already contain unicode data. >

Re: editable attribute limitation

2007-04-10 Thread Aidas Bendoraitis
Shouldn't there be a possibility to have fields that were not visible in the admin at all, like sorting paths for multilevel objects (i.e. categories), pickled objects, or other system data that makes no sense to "normal human beings". I would propose to have some attribute like visible=False or h

Newforms-admin : a better hook for admin pages (Adrian Holovaty)

2007-04-10 Thread Baptiste
Hi guys, I have submitted a patch : http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/3987 and before you refuse it, I just want to explain why imo it is useful ;-) ! At the moment, a ForeignKey (or any related field) is displayed in the admin with a list of all the items of the database. That may be powerfu

Re: unicode-branch: string handling

2007-04-10 Thread Gábor Farkas
Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > > What I'd really like from you guys (Michael, Ivan, Gábor -- and anybody > else who wants to play along) is to see how the code fits in with your > existing workflow. What are the bits that are still hard for you? What > are the problems that aren't solved? I'm thinki

Negative numbers comparison bug(?)

2007-04-10 Thread Ryan
Hi, I am currently making a mashup of the Weather Channel's RSS feeds (temperature and wind speed data) and Google maps with Django. Briefly it puts weather data on a map, e.g. sunny in London, rain in Edinburgh. I am having problems with comparing longitudes and latitudes in the database when

Re: unicode-branch: string handling

2007-04-10 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 12:13 +0200, Michael Radziej wrote: > Hi Malcolm, > > Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > > It's a much tougher requirement on the developer. They have to change > > every piece of their code. Instead, we can accept UTF-8 bytestrings or > > unicode strings and large amounts of code

Re: DATABASE_CHARSET

2007-04-10 Thread Michael Radziej
Hi Malcolm, Malcolm Tredinnick schrieb: > However, I'd like to hold off closing all those tickets until we merge > the branch (maybe stick a unicode-branch keyword on them so we can find > them later). They're not fixed for "trunk" purposes yet (and our > understanding may change as people test t

Re: unicode-branch: string handling

2007-04-10 Thread Michael Radziej
Hi Malcolm, Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > It's a much tougher requirement on the developer. They have to change > every piece of their code. Instead, we can accept UTF-8 bytestrings or > unicode strings and large amounts of code will work unchanged. > > There aren't actually that many places where

Re: unicode-branch: string handling

2007-04-10 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 19:53 +1000, Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 10:02 +0200, Gábor Farkas wrote: > > hi, > > > > i've been reading http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/StringEncoding, > > > > and the idea seems to be, that for "Passing Strings Between Django and > > the Devel

Re: unicode-branch: string handling

2007-04-10 Thread Gábor Farkas
Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 10:02 +0200, Gábor Farkas wrote: >> hi, >> >> i've been reading http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/StringEncoding, >> >> and the idea seems to be, that for "Passing Strings Between Django and >> the Developer's Code", >> >> django will/should acce

Re: TEMPLATE_CHARSET

2007-04-10 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 08:24 +0200, Gabor Farkas wrote: > Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 18:56 +0400, Ivan Sagalaev wrote: > >> As implemented now in unicode branch templates are loaded from files > >> stored only in utf-8 (as far as I can read the code). However there's a >

Re: DATABASE_CHARSET

2007-04-10 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 10:42 +0200, Michael Radziej wrote: > Hi, > > Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 18:35 +0400, Ivan Sagalaev wrote: > >> Hello everyone! > >> > >> Malcolm has introduced DATABASE_CHARSET in changeset 4971[1] in a > >> unicode branch. If I remember correctly

Re: unicode-branch: string handling

2007-04-10 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 10:02 +0200, Gábor Farkas wrote: > hi, > > i've been reading http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/StringEncoding, > > and the idea seems to be, that for "Passing Strings Between Django and > the Developer's Code", > > django will/should accept both utf-8 encoded byte-string

Re: #3527 - better debug traceback with code executing...

2007-04-10 Thread Michael Radziej
Malcolm Tredinnick schrieb: > Hi, > > On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 04:33 -0700, jedie wrote: >> Why has django not a interactive AJAX traceback debugger? >> >> Using a interactive debugger you can play with objects at any point in >> the error traceback. >> >> I known, a web shell is a open security h

Re: DATABASE_CHARSET

2007-04-10 Thread Michael Radziej
Hi, Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 18:35 +0400, Ivan Sagalaev wrote: >> Hello everyone! >> >> Malcolm has introduced DATABASE_CHARSET in changeset 4971[1] in a >> unicode branch. If I remember correctly this setting was needed if we >> have out internals in byte strings. But

unicode-branch: string handling

2007-04-10 Thread Gábor Farkas
hi, i've been reading http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/StringEncoding, and the idea seems to be, that for "Passing Strings Between Django and the Developer's Code", django will/should accept both utf-8 encoded byte-strings, and unicode-strings. wouldn't it be simpler to only accept unicode

Re: TEMPLATE_CHARSET

2007-04-10 Thread Ivan Sagalaev
Gabor Farkas wrote: > but what i don't understand, is: why is this an issue? can't we assume > that the developer knows the encoding of his own files? and if he knows > them, he should be able to easily recode them to utf-8, for example. This is in many cases an emotional issue. Developers get