Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-20 Thread Andreas Hartmetz
On Wednesday 18 July 2012 07:26:55 gunnar.sle...@nokia.com wrote: > On Jul 17, 2012, at 9:17 PM, ext Andreas Aardal Hanssen wrote: > > 2012/7/17 > > > > > (2D accelerators are often bundled with GPUs and perform 2D rendering > > > ops faster than GPUs, but are unusable with QML 2 / SceneGraph; se

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-19 Thread martin.jones
> On Behalf Of ext Donald Carr > > > Not inside this tower ;) . But I wasn't talking about comparing to the > > proliferation of an unreleased version. All the QtQuick 1 I've seen so > > far is on the dead Symbian and Maemo platforms. Even if there were > > many of those applications, how many are

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-19 Thread Donald Carr
> Not inside this tower ;) . But I wasn't talking about comparing to the > proliferation of an unreleased version. All the QtQuick 1 I've seen so far is > on the dead Symbian and Maemo platforms. Even if there were many of those > applications, how many are in continued development for both the old

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-18 Thread gunnar.sletta
On Jul 17, 2012, at 9:17 PM, ext Andreas Aardal Hanssen wrote: > 2012/7/17 > > (2D accelerators are often bundled with GPUs and perform 2D rendering > > ops faster than GPUs, but are unusable with QML 2 / SceneGraph; see > > pvr2d). > 2D accelerators bundled with GPUs perform 2D rendering ops fa

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-17 Thread Alan Alpert
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:28:02 ext Lincoln Ramsay wrote: > On 07/18/2012 05:17 AM, ext Andreas Aardal Hanssen wrote: > > My point is simply that Qt 5 is best served with a painting backend for > > QML 2 that can support non-OpenGL technologies. > > I don't want to start a flame war here but I always

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-17 Thread Lincoln Ramsay
On 07/18/2012 05:17 AM, ext Andreas Aardal Hanssen wrote: > My point is simply that Qt 5 is best served with a painting backend for > QML 2 that can support non-OpenGL technologies. I don't want to start a flame war here but I always wondered why "QtQuick 2" had to mean SceneGraph/OpenGL and why

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-17 Thread Andreas Aardal Hanssen
2012/7/17 > > (2D accelerators are often bundled with GPUs and perform 2D rendering > > ops faster than GPUs, but are unusable with QML 2 / SceneGraph; see > > pvr2d). > 2D accelerators bundled with GPUs perform 2D rendering ops faster than > GPUs? Uhmm... that sentence is conflicting in my head,

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On terça-feira, 17 de julho de 2012 15.00.04, marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com wrote: > Btw, does this means you are trying/wanting to run Qt 5 on PowerVR > chipsets from before 2001? All the PVR chips since Feb. 2001 (Series 4 > or higher) support some form of OpenGL/GLES and/or DirectX 8.0 or higher

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-17 Thread marius.storm-olsen
On 17/07/2012 06:02, ext Andreas Aardal Hanssen wrote: >> 2012/7/17 Sven Anderson > 07:47, Alan Alpert wrote: >>> But our Qt4Support library exists and is called QtQuick1. All >>> the old symbols should be there, if you want to take the easy >>> road to saying "done, ported to Qt 5!". >> Well, ther

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-17 Thread Andreas Aardal Hanssen
2012/7/17 Sven Anderson > > On 17.07.2012 07:47, Alan Alpert wrote: > > But our Qt4Support library exists and is called QtQuick1. All the old > symbols > > should be there, if you want to take the easy road to saying "done, > ported to > > Qt 5!". > Well, there is no other choice if you have a pla

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-17 Thread Sven Anderson
On 17.07.2012 07:47, Alan Alpert wrote: > But our Qt4Support library exists and is called QtQuick1. All the old symbols > should be there, if you want to take the easy road to saying "done, ported to > Qt 5!". Well, there is no other choice if you have a platform without hardware graphics accel

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread Alan Alpert
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:38:53 ext Andreas Aardal Hanssen wrote: > 2012/7/16 Alan Alpert > > > Just brainstorming here, what if there was a QtQuick 1.2 in Qt 5 which > > provided this overlap? It would have the old method marked as deprecated > > and > > the new form syntax available and would prov

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread Alan Alpert
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:19:41 ext André Pönitz wrote: > I am afraid I am in "Can't resist" mode today... I'm afraid that plight is communicable over email... > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 01:50:42PM +1000, Alan Alpert wrote: > > [...] > It's a major version change, what did you expect? It's a pain to

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread André Pönitz
I am afraid I am in "Can't resist" mode today... On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 01:50:42PM +1000, Alan Alpert wrote: > [...] > QML has a different model for allowing normal feature development > and maintenance to be interleaved with porting the GUI, perhaps it > hasn't been explained well enough. It's

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread André Pönitz
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 01:50:42PM +1000, Alan Alpert wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 03:18:02 ext André Pönitz wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:02:33AM +1000, Alan Alpert wrote: > > > The theory is that you're not trying to maintain a single codebase > > > for both QML1 and QML2. > > > > [Maybe

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread Andreas Aardal Hanssen
2012/7/16 Thiago Macieira > On segunda-feira, 16 de julho de 2012 09.38.53, Andreas Aardal Hanssen > wrote: > > In Qt 4 we added obsolete symbols for Qt 3, and this never caused any > pain > > for anybody. Qt3Support was a well intended effort to either port classes > > Qt3Support did enable so

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread Thiago Macieira
On segunda-feira, 16 de julho de 2012 09.38.53, Andreas Aardal Hanssen wrote: > In Qt 4 we added obsolete symbols for Qt 3, and this never caused any pain > for anybody. Qt3Support was a well intended effort to either port classes > that were dropped from Qt 3, or to wrap those around Qt 4 classes

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread Olivier Goffart
On Monday 16 July 2012 13:50:42 Alan Alpert wrote: > It's a major version change, what did you expect? It's a pain to maintain > even a QWidget application for a single Qt 4 and Qt 5 code-base, all the > assistance I'm aware of is for porting Qt4 -> Qt5 in one go. No it is not. Maintaining the sam

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread Andreas Aardal Hanssen
2012/7/16 Alan Alpert > Just brainstorming here, what if there was a QtQuick 1.2 in Qt 5 which > provided this overlap? It would have the old method marked as deprecated > and > the new form syntax available and would provide some form of interim > overlap, > without adding functions to QtQuick 2

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread Alan Alpert
While I continue the discussion to my usual level of verbosity inline, I'm bringing the important point up top - read it last to understand the thought process that led me to this: Just brainstorming here, what if there was a QtQuick 1.2 in Qt 5 which provided this overlap? It would have the ol

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-15 Thread Robin Burchell
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Alan Alpert wrote: > The theory is that you're not trying to maintain a single codebase for both > QML1 and QML2. The point has been made before, but I'll repeat it: for libraries and other pieces of middleware, that isn't really an acceptable answer. As a library

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-15 Thread Alan Alpert
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 03:18:02 ext André Pönitz wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:02:33AM +1000, Alan Alpert wrote: > > The theory is that you're not trying to maintain a single > > codebase for both QML1 and QML2. > > [Maybe it's about time to run reality checks on certain > theories anyway...]

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-15 Thread André Pönitz
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:02:33AM +1000, Alan Alpert wrote: > The theory is that you're not trying to maintain a single > codebase for both QML1 and QML2. [Maybe it's about time to run reality checks on certain theories anyway...] > > [...] Is there really that much pain in having a > > depreca

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-15 Thread Alan Alpert
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:30:13 ext Robin Burchell wrote: > Hi, > > Again, looking at MeeGo's components in QtQuick2 world, I notice that > some painful changes required for porting from QML1 to QML2 are in > renaming methods, or rearranging things a bit. From the documentation: > > Property and M

[Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-15 Thread Robin Burchell
Hi, Again, looking at MeeGo's components in QtQuick2 world, I notice that some painful changes required for porting from QML1 to QML2 are in renaming methods, or rearranging things a bit. From the documentation: Property and Method Changes ListView's highlightMoveSpeed and highlightResizeS