Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-22 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday 22 June 2015 10:35:56 rpzrpz...@gmail.com wrote: > On 6/22/2015 9:16 AM, Thiago Macieira wrote: > > On Monday 22 June 2015 06:56:25 rpzrpz...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Don't have the manpower? > >> > >> Then transfer LTS support over to a group of willing volunteers whose > >> businesses dep

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-22 Thread rpzrpz...@gmail.com
On 6/22/2015 9:16 AM, Thiago Macieira wrote: > On Monday 22 June 2015 06:56:25 rpzrpz...@gmail.com wrote: >> Don't have the manpower? >> >> Then transfer LTS support over to a group of willing volunteers whose >> businesses depend on it and let them handle as a GROUP the maintenance. > > Is anyone

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-22 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday 22 June 2015 06:56:25 rpzrpz...@gmail.com wrote: > Don't have the manpower? > > Then transfer LTS support over to a group of willing volunteers whose > businesses depend on it and let them handle as a GROUP the maintenance. Is anyone volunteering? -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-22 Thread Gunnar Roth
uot;Gunnar Roth" , "Knoll Lars" Cc: "development@qt-project.org" , "Thiago Macieira" Betreff: RE: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion So this bit in the article is not factual? "Windows Embedded Compact no longer provides its own tool chain (compile

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-22 Thread Al-Khanji Louai
theqtcompany.com@qt- > project.org [mailto:development-bounces+louai.al- > khanji=theqtcompany@qt-project.org] On Behalf Of Gunnar Roth > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:50 PM > To: Knoll Lars > Cc: development@qt-project.org; Thiago Macieira > Subject: Re: [Development]

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-22 Thread rpzrpz...@gmail.com
Don't have the manpower? Then transfer LTS support over to a group of willing volunteers whose businesses depend on it and let them handle as a GROUP the maintenance. Provide a space on the the Qt Web Site for organizing reasons and make it officially a "community" only supported pile of code.

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-19 Thread Gunnar Roth
> Am 19.06.2015 um 18:38 schrieb Knoll Lars : > > > There was never an intention to remove it after 5.6. But I was hoping that we > could be using VC++ 2013 (and support wec2013 with it). Looks like that is > unfortunately not the case. That implies that our new compiler baseline will > stay

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-19 Thread Knoll Lars
On 19/06/15 18:26, "development-bounces+lars.knoll=theqtcompany@qt-project.org on behalf of Gunnar Roth" wrote: > >Hi Björn, >i am really glad this discussion will come to an end ;-), it already took >considerable time, internally and externally. >> Am 19.06.2015 um 17:51 schrieb Björn B

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-19 Thread Gunnar Roth
Hi Björn, i am really glad this discussion will come to an end ;-), it already took considerable time, internally and externally. > Am 19.06.2015 um 17:51 schrieb Björn Breitmeyer : > > Hi Gunnar, > > sadly i have to agree. I finally had the time to setup a Visual Studio 2013 > with the recent

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-19 Thread Björn Breitmeyer
um 11:48 Uhr > Von: "Björn Breitmeyer" > An: "Gunnar Roth" > Cc: development@qt-project.org, "Thiago Macieira" > Betreff: Re: Aw: Re: [Development] QtCS: Long > Term Release discussion That would be this one, > > https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/l

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-18 Thread Gunnar Roth
rg, "Thiago Macieira" Betreff: Re: Aw: Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion That would be this one, https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg154234.aspx btw, i would assume the use of the newer libstdc++ if i got it right, as that one comes from the sdk too. But may

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-18 Thread Björn Breitmeyer
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2015 um 10:41 Uhr > Von: "Björn Breitmeyer" > An: development@qt-project.org > Cc: "Gunnar Roth" , "Thiago Macieira" > Betreff: Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term > Release discussion > Hello Gunnar, >

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-18 Thread Gunnar Roth
on: "Björn Breitmeyer" An: development@qt-project.org Cc: "Gunnar Roth" , "Thiago Macieira" Betreff: Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion Hello Gunnar, i still hadn't time to verify this, but. There is a platform builder for WEC2013, if you gene

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-18 Thread Björn Breitmeyer
Juni 2015, 10:16:49 schrieb Gunnar Roth: > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2015 um 08:43 Uhr > Von: "Thiago Macieira" > An: development@qt-project.org > Betreff: Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion > > On Thursday 18 June 2015 08:23:52 Gunnar Roth wro

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-18 Thread Björn Breitmeyer
solutions Am Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2015, 10:16:49 schrieb Gunnar Roth: > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2015 um 08:43 Uhr > Von: "Thiago Macieira" > An: development@qt-project.org > Betreff: Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion > > On Thursday 18 June

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-18 Thread Gunnar Roth
    Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2015 um 08:43 Uhr Von: "Thiago Macieira" An: development@qt-project.org Betreff: Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion On Thursday 18 June 2015 08:23:52 Gunnar Roth wrote: > > Am 17.06.2015 um 22:35 schrieb Thiago Macieira &

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-18 Thread Gunnar Roth
ect.org" Betreff: Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion > On Thursday 18 June 2015 08:23:52 Gunnar Roth wrote: > > > Am 17.06.2015 um 22:35 schrieb Thiago Macieira > > > : > > > > > > On Wednesday 17 June 2015 19:30:25 Gunnar Roth wrote: &g

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Kalinowski Maurice
> On Thursday 18 June 2015 08:23:52 Gunnar Roth wrote: > > > Am 17.06.2015 um 22:35 schrieb Thiago Macieira > > > : > > > > > > On Wednesday 17 June 2015 19:30:25 Gunnar Roth wrote: > > >> Yes that would make us (as a commercial user using a self made > > >> port of qt > > >> 5.4.1 to wec2013 ) ve

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Thursday 18 June 2015 08:23:52 Gunnar Roth wrote: > > Am 17.06.2015 um 22:35 schrieb Thiago Macieira > > : > > > > On Wednesday 17 June 2015 19:30:25 Gunnar Roth wrote: > >> Yes that would make us (as a commercial user using a self made port of > >> qt > >> 5.4.1 to wec2013 ) very unhappy. Thi

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Gunnar Roth
> Am 17.06.2015 um 22:35 schrieb Thiago Macieira : > > On Wednesday 17 June 2015 19:30:25 Gunnar Roth wrote: >> Yes that would make us (as a commercial user using a self made port of qt >> 5.4.1 to wec2013 ) very unhappy. This means 5.6 will be the last version >> wec2013 would be supported and

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Wednesday 17 June 2015 19:30:25 Gunnar Roth wrote: > Yes that would make us (as a commercial user using a self made port of qt > 5.4.1 to wec2013 ) very unhappy. This means 5.6 will be the last version > wec2013 would be supported and you would go straight to making a back port > very hard or e

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Gunnar Roth
Hello Lars, > Am 17.06.2015 um 12:27 schrieb Knoll Lars : > > * We make Qt 5.6 an LTS release > * We could then have both WEC7 and WEC2013 (on VS2012) supported on 5.6. > This would solve all problems for Windows Embedded and we could make > VS2013 the compiler baseline for 5.7. > we’d keep peopl

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Wednesday 17 June 2015 18:50:14 André Pönitz wrote: > Would be possible to freeze 5.6 right now, and release that quickly > after 5.5 as LTS, already running on the new CI, and do whatever > else was originally planned for 5.6 in 5.7? I don't think we can do two releases in the next 7 months. W

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread André Pönitz
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 07:31:19AM -0700, Thiago Macieira wrote: > On Wednesday 17 June 2015 10:34:39 Giuseppe D'Angelo wrote: > > > Since 5.5 LTS is an impossibility, the only alternative to minimising the > > > issues is to push the deprecations to 5.7 and do one more "official" > > > release of

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Wednesday 17 June 2015 10:34:39 Giuseppe D'Angelo wrote: > > Since 5.5 LTS is an impossibility, the only alternative to minimising the > > issues is to push the deprecations to 5.7 and do one more "official" > > release of the to-be-deprecated code in 5.6. > > I would agree to this plan; we can

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Oswald Buddenhagen
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:44:38AM +, Knoll Lars wrote: > On 17/06/15 12:34, "André Somers" wrote: > > >Knoll Lars schreef op 17-6-2015 om 12:27: > >> * We’d still remove the deprecated modules from our Qt 5.6 release > >>(maybe > >> with the exception of Qt Script). > >Is that really needed?

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Knoll Lars
On 17/06/15 12:34, "André Somers" wrote: >Knoll Lars schreef op 17-6-2015 om 12:27: >> * We’d still remove the deprecated modules from our Qt 5.6 release >>(maybe >> with the exception of Qt Script). >Is that really needed? For all of the modules? Could Quick 1 stay too?* > >André > *) Yes, we h

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread André Somers
Knoll Lars schreef op 17-6-2015 om 12:27: > * We’d still remove the deprecated modules from our Qt 5.6 release (maybe > with the exception of Qt Script). Is that really needed? For all of the modules? Could Quick 1 stay too?* André *) Yes, we have a stake in that: The printing case. ___

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Knoll Lars
Going through the discussions and looking at our time schedule, here’s another proposal how we could do things (slightly different from what we discussed at QtCS): * We make Qt 5.6 an LTS release * We already have of the current dev branch on pretty much all platforms supported in Qt 5.5 working i

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread André Somers
Giuseppe D'Angelo schreef op 17-6-2015 om 10:34: > I would also push the "C++11 in our API" to 5.7 to minimise the risks. > Cheers, C++11 in our API was to be taken slowly anyway, according to the session at QtCS. We would start with using it in the implementation to gain some experience first.

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Knoll Lars
On 17/06/15 10:34, "Giuseppe D'Angelo" wrote: >On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Thiago Macieira > wrote: >> >> Two different CI implementations. The "new CI" is being developed in >>lockstep >> with Qt 5.6, including QtTest features. That means the "new CI" system >>cannot >> be backported to 5.5

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Thiago Macieira wrote: > > Two different CI implementations. The "new CI" is being developed in lockstep > with Qt 5.6, including QtTest features. That means the "new CI" system cannot > be backported to 5.5. Ok, thanks for explaining this out... > In turn, to ke

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread André Somers
Thiago Macieira schreef op 17-6-2015 om 09:15: > On Wednesday 17 June 2015 09:01:19 André Somers wrote: >> Does the CI infrastructure depend on the Qt version then? What is it >> about 5.5 that prevents the CI from being upgraded? > Two different CI implementations. The "new CI" is being develope

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Wednesday 17 June 2015 09:01:19 André Somers wrote: > Thiago Macieira schreef op 17-6-2015 om 08:57: > > On Wednesday 17 June 2015 08:33:50 Giuseppe D'Angelo wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Thiago Macieira > >> > >> wrote: > >>> Qt 5.5 would be ideal - but we'd need to support th

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Simon Hausmann
On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 01:49:54 PM Thiago Macieira wrote: [...] > Other notes: > * We will keep a Linux builder building 32-bit to make sure everything > works - *no binary packages for Linux 32-bit* We do have at least one Linux builder today that targets armv7, but AFAICS that is the o

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Wednesday 17 June 2015 08:35:58 André Somers wrote: > Thiago Macieira schreef op 16-6-2015 om 22:49: > > Last year's notes[1] > > > > Qt 5.5 will be the last release to support: > > * GCC 4.6 > > * OS X 10.7 > > * Windows Vista > > * WIndows Embedded Compact 7 > >

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-17 Thread André Somers
Thiago Macieira schreef op 17-6-2015 om 08:57: > On Wednesday 17 June 2015 08:33:50 Giuseppe D'Angelo wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Thiago Macieira >> >> wrote: >>> Qt 5.5 would be ideal - but we'd need to support the old Qt CI system for >>> longer. So we're targetting that *Qt 5.6*

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-16 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Wednesday 17 June 2015 08:33:50 Giuseppe D'Angelo wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Thiago Macieira > > wrote: > > Qt 5.5 would be ideal - but we'd need to support the old Qt CI system for > > longer. So we're targetting that *Qt 5.6* will be the first LTS release. > > Mind to elabor

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-16 Thread André Somers
Thiago Macieira schreef op 16-6-2015 om 22:49: > Last year's notes[1] > > Qt 5.5 will be the last release to support: > * GCC 4.6 > * OS X 10.7 > * Windows Vista > * WIndows Embedded Compact 7 > * QNX 6.5 > * Qt WebKit, Qt Script, Qt Quick 1 Ok, I understan

Re: [Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-16 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Thiago Macieira wrote: > > Qt 5.5 would be ideal - but we'd need to support the old Qt CI system for > longer. So we're targetting that *Qt 5.6* will be the first LTS release. Mind to elaborate? Why is the "old Qt CI" a requirement or a blocker for a LTS release?

[Development] QtCS: Long Term Release discussion

2015-06-16 Thread Thiago Macieira
Last year's notes[1] Qt 5.5 will be the last release to support: * GCC 4.6 * OS X 10.7 * Windows Vista * WIndows Embedded Compact 7 * QNX 6.5 * Qt WebKit, Qt Script, Qt Quick 1 Therefore, we'd like to have a long-term support release that allows people who can