Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-12-04 Thread Bernhard Lindner
On Fr, 2020-12-04 at 07:42 +0300, NIkolai Marchenko wrote: > Let's be honest with your users: > P0: almost sure to block a release. > P1: We will act on it if the maintainer is in the mood some day when it's > still fresh > P2: We will fix it, maybe > P3: thank you for informing us. Funny, this

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-12-04 Thread Kai Köhne
> From: Development On Behalf Of NIkolai > Marchenko > Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 9:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues > >> Currently, there are 1175 open P1 issues in the QTBUG project.  583 of those >> issues had that priority set more th

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-12-04 Thread Mitch Curtis
> -Original Message- > From: Development On Behalf Of > Jason McDonald > Sent: Friday, 4 December 2020 5:25 AM > To: Kai Köhne > Cc: development@qt-project.org > Subject: Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues > > > On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:09, Kai K

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-12-04 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
> Currently, there are 1175 open P1 issues in the QTBUG project. 583 of those issues had that priority set more than one year ago, I am not saying no one ever fixes those, but given the premise of this thread. The "promise" of every PX description is certainly broken enough _in general_ that my r

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-12-04 Thread Joerg Bornemann
On 12/4/20 5:42 AM, NIkolai Marchenko wrote: Let's be honest with your users: P0: almost sure to block a release. P1: We will act on it if the maintainer is in the mood some day when it's still fresh P2: We will fix it, maybe P3: thank you for informing us. That's neither helpful nor true. I

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-12-03 Thread NIkolai Marchenko
Let's be honest with your users: P0: almost sure to block a release. P1: We will act on it if the maintainer is in the mood some day when it's still fresh P2: We will fix it, maybe P3: thank you for informing us. > I suggest to simplify P3, P4 descriptions though to >> >> P2: Important, should

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-12-03 Thread Jason McDonald
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:09, Kai Köhne wrote: > > Was there any outcome from this discussion? Like, re-evaluating priority > > levels and what they mean in terms of release blockers? > I note that the number of open P1's has dropped from 1175 to 1063. Some of that decline has been from genuine

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-12-03 Thread Kai Köhne
> -Original Message- >[...] > > (Clicking the ? button next to the priority field in Jira shows the > > following definition for P1: "Urgent and Important, will STOP the > > release if matched with set FixVersion field. This includes > > regressions from the last version that are not edge c

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-12-03 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Hi, Il 03/11/20 05:34, Jason McDonald ha scritto: Currently, there are 1175 open P1 issues in the QTBUG project.  583 of those issues had that priority set more than one year ago, 342 of those had their priority set more than two years ago, and 175 of those more than three years ago. If an i

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-11-03 Thread Bernhard Lindner
> ... resulting in users complaining about "high priority bugs get ignored". They're still complaining? Impressive. I have already passed the phase of resignation and just wonder why there is still a public bug tracker. -- Best Regards, Bernhard Lindner

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-11-03 Thread Oswald Buddenhagen
On Tue, Nov 03, 2020 at 10:34:29AM +, Alex Blasche wrote: After all the trinity of quality - time - resources must be adhered to. indeed, but you're still failing to draw the obvious conclusion. ;) "priority inflation" is a "natural" effect of an issue tracker drowning in unresolved issue

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-11-03 Thread Eike Ziller
> On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:56, Eike Ziller wrote: > > > >> On Nov 3, 2020, at 11:34, Alex Blasche wrote: >> >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Development On Behalf Of >>> Jason McDonald >> >>> Looking at the huge list of P1s we have right now, I have absolutely no idea >>> wha

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-11-03 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On 3 Nov 2020, at 12:56, Eike Ziller mailto:eike.zil...@qt.io>> wrote: It is something that we interpret into a combination of two separated fields in JIRA, with the meaning of Fix Version even having dual meaning depending on the “Resolution” state of a task Maybe we should have two fix ver

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-11-03 Thread Eike Ziller
> On Nov 3, 2020, at 11:34, Alex Blasche wrote: > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Development On Behalf Of >> Jason McDonald > >> Looking at the huge list of P1s we have right now, I have absolutely no idea >> what issues are genuinely blocking Qt 6.0 or if there are any that I c

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-11-03 Thread Alex Blasche
> -Original Message- > From: Development On Behalf Of > Jason McDonald > Looking at the huge list of P1s we have right now, I have absolutely no idea > what issues are genuinely blocking Qt 6.0 or if there are any that I could > help out > with. I could spend literally weeks just readi

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-11-03 Thread Jason McDonald
On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 at 18:48, Eike Ziller wrote: > I disagree, especially if the fix version is a planning tool for the > individual developer. > The point is that you still at least need the rough categories of > > 1. must be handled _immediately_ (build breakage “P0”) > 2. release management dec

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-11-03 Thread Jason McDonald
On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 at 18:39, Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: > On Dienstag, 3. November 2020 05:34:02 CET Jason McDonald wrote: > > If an issue is not important enough to get attention within a year, is it > > really P1? > > But how many of those are accepted? P1 is just set on the assumption the >

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-11-03 Thread Eike Ziller
> On Nov 3, 2020, at 09:07, Ulf Hermann wrote: > >> Currently, there are 1175 open P1 issues in the QTBUG project. 583 of those >> issues had that priority set more than one year ago, 342 of those had their >> priority set more than two years ago, and 175 of those more than three years >> a

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-11-03 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Il 03/11/20 05:34, Jason McDonald ha scritto: Currently, there are 1175 open P1 issues in the QTBUG project.  583 of those issues had that priority set more than one year ago, 342 of those had their priority set more than two years ago, and 175 of those more than three years ago. If an issue

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-11-03 Thread Allan Sandfeld Jensen
On Dienstag, 3. November 2020 05:34:02 CET Jason McDonald wrote: > Some food for thought for module maintainers. > > Currently, there are 1175 open P1 issues in the QTBUG project. 583 of > those issues had that priority set more than one year ago, 342 of those had > their priority set more th

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-11-03 Thread Shawn Rutledge
> On 3 Nov 2020, at 09:07, Ulf Hermann wrote: > >> Currently, there are 1175 open P1 issues in the QTBUG project. 583 of those >> issues had that priority set more than one year ago, 342 of those had their >> priority set more than two years ago, and 175 of those more than three years >> ago

Re: [Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-11-03 Thread Ulf Hermann
Currently, there are 1175 open P1 issues in the QTBUG project.  583 of those issues had that priority set more than one year ago, 342 of those had their priority set more than two years ago, and 175 of those more than three years ago. Let's be honest about this: The priority field is meaningle

[Development] Long-lived P1 issues

2020-11-02 Thread Jason McDonald
Some food for thought for module maintainers. Currently, there are 1175 open P1 issues in the QTBUG project. 583 of those issues had that priority set more than one year ago, 342 of those had their priority set more than two years ago, and 175 of those more than three years ago. If an issue