[Development] CppCon 2014 Registration Open

2014-03-18 Thread Charley Bay
Apologies for the cross-post (interest@ and development@), but registration just opened this morning for "CppCon 2014", September 7-12, 2014 in Bellevue, Washington, USA. http://cppcon.org/ There is a "Super-Early-Bird" registration price of $695 for the week for the first 100 people. It would b

Re: [Development] Plans for printing in 5.3 onwards

2014-02-17 Thread Charley Bay
> > John Layt sayeth: > > >As noted on the Releasing list, I didn't get the OSX 10.7 blocker bug > >fixed in > >time, and using just the layout code without the plugin proved too much > >work > >to be stable in time, so *none* of this change set has made it for 5.3. > , > >Thoughts? > Knoll Lar

Re: [Development] Plans for printing in 5.3 onwards

2014-01-11 Thread Charley Bay
John Layt sayeth: > Hi, > > I've spent the last few weeks going over the current print support and > trying to map out a plan to improve things. , Given my limited time, I've decided to take a different approach to > try build the new code over the next few releases as a new set of QPA > classe

Re: [Development] Qt.vector3d() and friends

2014-01-08 Thread Charley Bay
Sean Harmer sayeth: > Hi, > > during the development of the new version of Qt3D's QML API we have come > across an interesting (well if you like that kind of thing) problem. > > The issue is that at present the QML value type helpers for types such as > QVector3D are provided by QtQuick meaning th

Re: [Development] Fwd: [Interest] [ANN] C++Now 2014: 5 Days to Submissions Deadline

2013-12-03 Thread Charley Bay
Thiago Macieira wrote: > Anyone else wants to submit this time? > > This year, as representatives of the Qt Project, we had Charley Bay, Tony van > Eerd and me. I'd like a few more Qt devs showing up and presenting our more... > ahem, pragmatic / conservative... solutions

[Development] Higher-Level Docs, possibly Qt-related (was: Re: Qt 4.8.6 Release Plans)

2013-10-30 Thread Charley Bay
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote: > ** > > Hi, > > > > On Wednesday 30 October 2013 00:58:05 Calogero Mauceri wrote: > > > The Qt documentation states that QDir::currentPath() returns "The > > > application working directory". Shouldn't the workind directory be > > > initia

Re: [Development] Disabling exception support in QtCore?

2013-10-02 Thread Charley Bay
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, André Pönitz < andre.poen...@mathematik.tu-chemnitz.de> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 06:57:01AM +0200, Thomas Sondergaard wrote: > > On 2013-10-01 21:20, Thiago Macieira wrote: > > > Since we decided to roll back support for exceptions in our container > > > cl

Re: [Development] Disabling exception support in QtCore?

2013-10-01 Thread Charley Bay
Thiago wrote: > Since we decided to roll back support for exceptions in our container > classes, > the only thing that currently needs exception support is the mainloop > allowing > std::bad_alloc through. > > Is it worth it? > > Should we disable exceptions in QtCore? > No, and yes. ;-)) I vot

Re: [Development] On QML and keeping data alive.

2013-08-15 Thread Charley Bay
Rene wrote: > Hi Qt developers > > A little over a year ago I raised a question on this list about > QSharedPointers and QML, and got a lot of debate started, which turned out > to be very illuminating. ( > http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-May/004049.html) > > > > , Clea

Re: [Development] New reference platforms in the CI for Qt5.2

2013-08-11 Thread Charley Bay
> > Tony sayeth: >>> , We'd like to change the reference platforms a bit. We have new platforms coming in and old ones are just that.old. >>> >>> , These changes would be targeted for Qt 5.2 and the current proposition can be seen here: http://

Re: [Development] New reference platforms in the CI for Qt5.2

2013-08-10 Thread Charley Bay
Tony sayeth: > , > We'd like to change the reference platforms a bit. We have new platforms > coming in and old ones are just that.old. > > , > These changes would be targeted for Qt 5.2 and the current proposition can > be seen here: > > http://qt-project.org/wiki/CI_Configurations > > (That we

Re: [Development] QML engine changes

2013-06-24 Thread Charley Bay
Simon sayeth: > Chris replied: > > This is really exciting news! Good stuff! > +1 > > I wonder how much performance delta there is between JIT and pure > > interpretted, with a tight enough interpreter loop, if you make some > > simplifying assumptions (eg, types can't change at runtime / e

Re: [Development] kdelibs coding style

2013-04-30 Thread Charley Bay
Samuel sayeth: > A good reason for using the > > Foo() > : x(0) > , y(0) > { > } > > syntax for initializer lists after all is to make diffs easier to read > when adding or removing a member variable. The same argument could be > made for permitting braces for one-line if-statements. >

Re: [Development] White space / coding style patches welcome?

2013-03-12 Thread Charley Bay
Axel sayeth: > > >> >> coding standard> +1 YAY, Axel! This is a personal wish by me -- consistency. Including for whitespace. I find it astounding the "legacy-code-bases" that essentially decide that they cannot be improved -- no such patches are welcome -- because it would require work, add

Re: [Development] Qt 5.1 feature set and freeze date

2013-02-13 Thread Charley Bay
Sean sayeth: > > I also was disappointed that Qt3D would not make it into Qt5.1, but IMHO the details Sean (and James Turner) provided are quite excellent -- there's a lot there, and it makes sense to provide this "think-it-through" for the APIs. Nobody wants to rewrite their 3D to a new API

Re: [Development] issue tracker rights

2013-02-06 Thread Charley Bay
Mitch sayeth: > I think a lot of people are hesitant to contribute fixes because of all of > the > setup required to contribute, also (yeah, it's easy once you are familiar > with > it). , +1 It would be nice to make this, "turn-key". For example, on platforms like Windows, it "would-be-nice"

Re: [Development] Design review: Adapter layer, C++ to QML

2013-01-30 Thread Charley Bay
Hi, Alan-- charley: > > I've implemented a C++ "adapter-layer" (mostly template-based) to expose > C++ > > objects to QML. , > > Sounds like this is for developers using Qt, not working on Qt. qt-interest is the correct ML for that (although given the youthful > state of QML, this could also su

[Development] Design review: Adapter layer, C++ to QML

2013-01-30 Thread Charley Bay
I've implemented a C++ "adapter-layer" (mostly template-based) to expose C++ objects to QML. We are in the "early-stages" for its use, and (of course) the "final-API" will significantly impact how we expose our (domain-specific) C++ classes to QML. My manager suggested I ask others what they are

[Development] [semi-solved] Qt5 moc error in combination with boost

2013-01-22 Thread Charley Bay
There's a Qt5 moc error when using Boost, with a work-around. See: http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/22993 It describes "Boost 1.49", but this work-around also works for "Boost 1.52": ...leads to compile error (Win7/MSVS2010): C:/Some/Path/3rd/Boost/boost_1_52_0/boost/mpl/if.hpp(131): Err

Re: [Development] QML and QAbstractListModel

2013-01-10 Thread Charley Bay
Alberto sayeth: > > Hi all! > >I'd like to make C++ models more usable from QML; in the net there > > are several blog posts illustrating how to achieve that, but IMHO it > > would be better if at least some of these handy features were in > > QAbstractListModel itself: > > > > - "count" prope

Re: [Development] submitting a multi-dimensional container class for Qt: QNDArray

2013-01-09 Thread Charley Bay
Robert wrote: > > If added to Qt, we would consider dropping our in-house implementations > to use Glen's QNDArray (this is serious investigation at present). > > What stops you or anyone else from using QNDArray if it is maintained > outside of Qt? > Nothing (that would be a minor barrier). Ho

Re: [Development] submitting a multi-dimensional container class for Qt: QNDArray

2013-01-09 Thread Charley Bay
> > Glen Mabey wrote: > Hello, > > > > For some time, I have been working on a QtCore-based class that would be > a > > container class of arbitrary dimensionality. I did give a presentation > on > > this topic at DevDays-CA: > Olivier Goffart responded: > Just my personal opinion on this: > >

Re: [Development] QT with qws using CL compiler

2013-01-04 Thread Charley Bay
amogh kudari wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Currently I am using cygwin build environment with cl compiler. Is > it > > possible to compile qt with qws using cl compiler on cygwin build > > environment?.. > Thiago Macieira wrote: > We barely support cygwin at all. We prefer mingw, which is li

Re: [Development] Enumerations in QML

2012-12-12 Thread Charley Bay
Unto all so did sayeth Alan: > > What should enumeration declarations in QML look like? > Did respondeth Erik: > And, also important: how much slower is it allowed to be than the current > implementation? > > I remembered that there was talk about enums in QML before, so I dug > around a bit, an

Re: [Development] Convenience Imports in QML

2012-12-11 Thread Charley Bay
> > > I understand others' concerns about "load-performance". , > The concern about load-performance isn't about "users now have an > informed choice between faster development speed or faster runtime > speed". The concern is about people using import Qt 5.0 because it's > convenient, and then

Re: [Development] Convenience Imports in QML

2012-12-11 Thread Charley Bay
Alan spaketh: I've heard complaints about all the varying version numbers used in > QML imports. I don't think we can just standardize, for example on > 5.0, because the whole point of modularization is that modules don't > have to move in lockstep anymore. But I did hear an idea at Dev Days > to

Re: [Development] Enumerations in QML

2012-12-11 Thread Charley Bay
> > > People keep asking for enumerations in QML. , > > Now I don't know when these issues will be > > resolved, but there's an important discussion to have before it can > > even be scheduled: What would proper enum support look like in QML? > > , > > I'd prefer: > > Item { > enum Wea

Re: [Development] QtQml Loader API

2012-12-11 Thread Charley Bay
Alan spaketh: > Finally Qt 5 brings better QtQml and QtQuick separation! Better, not perfect. The main things I've heard are missing is dynamic > instantiation of non-Items. What I propose is a new element for the > QtQml module which provides that functionality. Note that while some > people ha

Re: [Development] Qt Playground - Updating Daemon/Service Support

2012-11-26 Thread Charley Bay
Hi, Matt-- thoughts: > > a) I think the only reason the old QtService uses a template based > approach is to support the different types of Q*Application. It would be > quite useful to have someone who worked on the original solution discuss > why they went with this approach rather than subclassi

Re: [Development] Qt Playground - Updating Daemon/Service Support

2012-11-26 Thread Charley Bay
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Matt Broadstone wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Charley Bay wrote: > >> >>> " Component >, >> >>> I would like to open a new Qt Playground project to create a new >> equivalent >> >> +1 &g

Re: [Development] Qt Playground - Updating Daemon/Service Support

2012-11-26 Thread Charley Bay
>>> " Component >, >>> I would like to open a new Qt Playground project to create a new equivalent +1 IMHO this would be a cross-platform useful module that I'd vote to ultimately end-up within "Qt-proper". Disclosure: I traded emails with BRM off-list, and would like to help. --charley __

Re: [Development] Examples packaging

2012-11-22 Thread Charley Bay
Maurice spaketh: > >, > > My question is, what are the benefits compared to picking the example > source code from the source package directly. Does anybody really want to > have prebuilt binaries in the examples directory? Current assumption is > that you go through the list via Qt Creator and bu

Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms

2012-11-13 Thread Charley Bay
> Friedemann said he'd like to have msvc 2010 64 bit as reference platform, > maybe replacing msvc 2010 32 bit. Really? I would assume that 32-bit is still a significantly-large audience that we could *add* 64-bit, but that we likely would need to keep 32-bit (for a while). Have developers reall

Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms

2012-11-06 Thread Charley Bay
Kai spaketh: > The list of reference & Tier 1 platforms at > http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5#Platforms > is somewhat out of date ... Here is a new proposal , Seems fine to me. An aside -- serious suggestion: We are successfully using the, "MSVS2010, SP1" compiler within the "MSVS2008 IDE" using

Re: [Development] Status of WP8 port

2012-11-01 Thread Charley Bay
Tuukka spaketh: > What comes to WP8 we believe it is more important to tackle Android and iOS > first, as discussed earlier. It does not mean we do not care about WP8. > There is just so much more user base in Android and iOS that we think it > would be outright stupid not to address those. +1 As

Re: [Development] On the reliability of CI

2012-10-25 Thread Charley Bay
Shawn Rutledge spaketh: > Personally I think the fundamental problem which CI could do better is to > triage problems. , > > I think when a test fails, the CI system should try to break down the > patch set in some way. For example it could divide the patch set in half, > arbitrarily, and see if

Re: [Development] Proposal: Change Qt's Security Policy to Full Disclosure

2012-10-20 Thread Charley Bay
Wow. I don't usually "rubber-neck" as I drive by car-crashes, but I must say, this has been one of the more fascinating email chains. Not because of content; but rather, because in my introverted "I'm-so-lonely!" world, observing humans-being-human has recently become fascinating to me. I had to

[Development] QTcpSocket, QLocalSocket, common-use-model?

2012-10-08 Thread Charley Bay
I stumbled across an interesting discussion from Feb-2008 about using QTcpSocket and QLocalSocket, which also suggested the design might be revisited post Qt5: http://blog.qt.digia.com/2008/02/22/qlocalserver-qlocalsocket/ REVIEW: - QTcpSocket (derived from QAbstractSocket) is really a network-

Re: [Development] How about the future of qbs after Nokia sells Qt to Digia?

2012-08-11 Thread Charley Bay
Yuchen spaketh: > I noticed Nokia stop developing qbs for a long time, and qtcreator's > wip/qbs seems stop developing too. > And for now Nokia sells Qt to Digia, I want know how about the future of > qbs? > If the Digia give up qbs, I will choice CMake as my build system. > So, any news or commen

Re: [Development] Message to the Qt Community on behalf of Tuukka Turunen

2012-08-09 Thread Charley Bay
We just renewed our Qt Commercial licenses through Digia. Happy to do it. Good value. Great code base. Tuukka has been great about Digia's very-public-goal to keep the *same code* in Qt releases (Commercial and at qt-project.org). That's what we want too. Great stuff! --charley On Thu, Aug

Re: [Development] Setting up time-based releases for the project

2012-08-07 Thread Charley Bay
Ben spaketh: > As one of those who is working towards being a new contributor, I > would want a use a generally stable branch for most of the initial work of > adding a new module; and then move it up towards "fire-hose" just prior to > pushing it out to everyone. > > That is: > > - Grab the 6 m

Re: [Development] Proposal: adding Q_DECL_NOEXCEPT to many methods

2012-08-02 Thread Charley Bay
Thiago spaketh: > I'd like to propose we add Q_DECL_NOEXCEPT to many methods in our API. > > We already took the decision to turn exception off in most modules, except > QtCore and where exceptions were used, like QtXmlPatterns. This is the next > step. > > The Q_DECL_NOEXCEPT macro expands to noe

Re: [Development] Qt Essentials

2012-08-02 Thread Charley Bay
Agree with Thiago: For 3D and Location, I have a feeling it's a little premature, but I can't > blame you for it. Especially in Location's case, with lots of plugins to be > kept in working order, it might be tricky in the current situation. > > Qt3D might be quite mature, actually, since it's bee

Re: [Development] Can we have id's in dynamically generated elements for the next QML?

2012-08-02 Thread Charley Bay
Thanks, Alan -- very rich email that helps me think about declarative-model-instance-handling. Alan spaketh: > Reusable components/delegates, where data propagates in one direction, is > the > best-practices pattern that obviates this need. , > For list delegates, this is managed through the m

Re: [Development] Can we have id's in dynamically generated elements for the next QML?

2012-08-01 Thread Charley Bay
Mark spaketh: > Sadly, QML 1 doesn't have id in dynamically generated id. That is a > real big pain if you want to drag/drop something since then you > need... an id! Right now i'm trying to fight against a lot of issues > that wouldn't even be there if i simply had an ID. You can read more > abo

Re: [Development] QFileSystemWatcher and Recursive Monitoring

2012-07-20 Thread Charley Bay
> As you say, applications which are watching (possibly large) directory > trees will likely > have their own database of content which they will compare any changes > to. The app > can optimize this in domain-specfic ways, such as not recording any > information about > types of files it doesn'

Re: [Development] Abandoning the container changes

2012-07-18 Thread Charley Bay
> > João spaketh: >> I think it would be feasible to do a binary-only break somewhere > >> around the 5.2 timeframe (say, ~12 months) where we address this. > >> Technically, this would be Qt 6, but user porting effort would be > >> reduced to a recompile. > > André respondeth: > > That's essen

Re: [Development] Move math3d from QtGui to QtCore

2012-07-04 Thread Charley Bay
charley spaketh: > > > (We currently have our own 2D and 3D math libs, but if Qt had a non-GUI > coupled lib, we could use it.) > Thiago respondeth: > Can you tell me whether those classes would suffice to your needs? > Inside "math3d" I see some "qvector") stuff (2d, 3d, 4d), a "qgenericma

Re: [Development] Move math3d from QtGui to QtCore

2012-07-04 Thread Charley Bay
I agree with Laszlo: The "3D-math" stuff is generally useful, and need not be coupled to QtGui. (We have domain-specific reasons for using 3D-math stuff outside GUIs, separate of Laszlo's interest in "QtAudio3D" which also does not want to couple to "QtGui" -- we cannot couple to QtGui either.)

Re: [Development] Move QAction from QtWidgets to QtGui

2012-07-03 Thread Charley Bay
> > > How would you suggest solving it? QAction does have stuff like > > > > bool showStatusText(QWidget *widget=0); > > QWidget *parentWidget() const; > > QList associatedWidgets() const; > > friend class QWidget; > > > > so it seems difficult to make it avoid depending on wid

Re: [Development] Mutex future directions

2012-05-19 Thread Charley Bay
I've followed this very technical discussion from the beginning-- impressive array of topics. Thanks to all digging into this, and great thanks to Thiago for opening the issue. I have a question on the point of "recursive-locks": I understand "recursive-locks" (e.g., "recursive-lock-count") we

Re: [Development] Qt5 missing features

2012-04-16 Thread Charley Bay
Ok. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Daker Fernandes Pinheiro < daker.pinhe...@openbossa.org> wrote: > My team in INdT has been researching about theming/styling of Qt > Components. > I’ve synthetised what we’ve been done and some of our aims and ideas: > > http://codecereal.blogspot.com.br/201

Re: [Development] Qt5 missing features

2012-04-12 Thread Charley Bay
> > > > A theme manager will make the things much more simpler and clear for the > user and > when it comes to add support for other platforms. , > Let me try explain more: > > >From user perspective: themes> > > >From developer perspective who wants to add support for another platform > >

Re: [Development] The future of QtAlgorithms

2012-01-27 Thread Charley Bay
> > /me wonder why we still even care about QT_NO_STL >> >> > Embedded? > +1 Further, half of C++ developers *hate* STL. (Long story, off-topic for here.) --charley ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/ma

Re: [Development] QRegularExpression -- first round of API review

2012-01-17 Thread Charley Bay
> > > 3) Need a couple of better names for partial matching: > > - partial match preferring a complete match > > - partial match returning whatever match (partial or complete) is found > > first > > > > PCRE uses Soft and Hard respectively (which are quite meaningless to > > me). > > PreferComplete

Re: [Development] check, Mate!

2012-01-09 Thread Charley Bay
> > Stephen Kelly spaketh: > > http://boost.2283326.n4.nabble.com/Boost-with-Darwin-Mac-gcc-4-0-1- > > td2580330.html > > > > So, keep in mind - for portability treat 'check' as an out of bounds name > > for a method or variable. > Thiago Macieira respondeth: > Also to avoid: >sun >

Re: [Development] Qt Commercial 4.8.0 release delta to LGPL version

2011-12-15 Thread Charley Bay
I'm quoting Robin's email (with some of my comments), because I think it was a great message that I don't want "lost": On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Robin Burchell wrote: > Hi Tuukka, > > (now that I've left some hours to digest this...) > > 2011/12/15 Turunen Tuukka : > > So now there is tota

Re: [Development] This week in Qt 5 development (week 49)

2011-12-09 Thread Charley Bay
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Marcus D. Hanwell < marcus.hanw...@kitware.com> wrote: > 2011/12/9 Stephen Kelly : > > On Friday, December 09, 2011 20:12:05 Stephen Kelly wrote: > > > >> This week: > > > > Oops, sorry. This was not intended for the Qt mailing list. > > > > I was compiling it for

Re: [Development] Qt platform and theme plugins

2011-12-09 Thread Charley Bay
morten spaketh: > Those of you that follow the commits on Gerrit closely may have noticed > the new QPlatformTheme API and wondered what it is. In short, the > QPlatformTheme API is there to support deeper platform integration, > indepentently of QPlatformIntegration. > > , I am *very* interested

Re: [Development] QtNetwork changes from QtDD SF 2011

2011-12-05 Thread Charley Bay
On Monday, 5 de December de 2011 14.50.23, Jeff Mitchell wrote: > > At the Contributor Day in San Francisco, a number of people met to > > discuss some of the issues involving QtNetwork, espcially > > QNetworkAccessManager (QNAM). The overall idea is that eventually > > QNetworkAccessManager, which

Re: [Development] QtNetwork changes from QtDD SF 2011

2011-12-05 Thread Charley Bay
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Jeff Mitchell wrote: > Hello, > > I was asked to put this information on the wiki, but wasn't actually > sure where the correct place was to do it. I'll put the info here and it > can be moved into the wiki later. , > At the Contributor Day in San Francisco, a nu

Re: [Development] QtQuick becomes a separate module

2011-12-02 Thread Charley Bay
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Kent Hansen wrote: > Den 02. des. 2011 16:13, skrev ext Charley Bay: > > > > Den 02. des. 2011 09:33, skrev ext Kent Hansen: > > > > > Hi, > > > See https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-22889 > &

Re: [Development] QtQuick becomes a separate module

2011-12-02 Thread Charley Bay
Den 02. des. 2011 09:33, skrev ext Kent Hansen: > > Hi, > > See https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-22889 > > > > Once http://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,9948 goes through CI, > This seems like important info, so I made a page on the wiki: https://wiki.qt-project.org/Transition_

Re: [Development] Qt Project Infrastructure Work

2011-12-01 Thread Charley Bay
Marcus spaketh: > I attended the Qt Contributor Day in San Francisco [1], and talked a > little about infrastructure for the Qt project. infrastructure> https://wiki.qt-project.org/Infrastructure > > IMHO this is an excellent effort -- the current system seems well thought-out, and is clearly

Re: [Development] QTemporaryDir API

2011-11-17 Thread Charley Bay
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:24 AM, David Faure wrote: > On Thursday 17 November 2011 17:14:06 Robin Burchell wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:11 PM, David Faure > wrote: > > > The method already asserts if the path is empty or is ".", we could > make > > > that stricter to catch more bugs (err

Re: [Development] Platform / compiler support

2011-11-08 Thread Charley Bay
> > Atlant spaketh: > > When you settle on the set of "enhanced" features that > > compilers must support to allow use with Qt, please design, > > as the VERY FIRST PORTIONS of the Qt build procedure, a > > small series of programs that deliberately test for and > > stress those features.

Re: [Development] Window{} API for QML

2011-11-07 Thread Charley Bay
Reading Alan's post a couple times, I *think* this summarizes to: (a)- A new "Window{}" element is being proposed for QML that is different from the current QML components. Specifically, the new "Window{}" is a "top-level" concept, where you could have more-than-one, such as one for each monitor.