Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Tobias Hunger
On Thu, May 20, 2021, 21:03 André Pönitz wrote: > Works as designed. Freenode never endorsed public logging. > > Chat is for ephemeral contents, like normal speech. > I always chat as it it was logged, even in IRC: It is easy to log, so people are logging. There may not be "official" logs, but t

Re: [Development] Svar: Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Konstantin Shegunov
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 11:23 AM Volker Hilsheimer wrote: > But the other question is who operates the service. It doesn’t matter if > the service is Open Source if the community doesn't trust the operating > entity. > Obviously, but Jason has a point. I can even give you an example: When was i

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Hello, Il 20/05/21 20:46, Carl Schwan ha scritto: I believe the best course of action would be to wait a bit until KDE moves its freenode presence to libera (should happen soon). Is this decision already taken? I didn't find an outcome of the discussion on kde-community. And then Qt can m

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread André Pönitz
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 11:59:31AM +, Andy Nichols wrote: > >> The chat channels are fragmented these days. There’s the Qt discord > >> channels, > >> QtMob on Slack, Qt and Advanced C++ on Telegram. > > > Are any of these channels endorsed by the Qt project? The IRC channels > > are, that

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread André Pönitz
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 08:34:50PM +0200, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote: > On 19/05/2021 19:31, André Pönitz wrote: > > > > And now since we are on it: Can someone please remove the +r from #qt ? > > All other #qt-* channels at FreeNode are fine without. > > You could just ask... on IR

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Carl Schwan
Le jeudi, mai 20, 2021 2:18 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development a écrit : > Hi, > > On 20/05/2021 13:47, Alejandro Exojo wrote: > > > On Wed, May 19, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote: > > > > > - there's no registration required; > > > - the $newthing has proven st

Re: [Development] Renamed: Running a service for Qt community

2021-05-20 Thread Robert Löhning
Am 20.05.21 um 17:16 schrieb Jason H: (...) I was there when Digia renamed themselves to the Qt Company*. (...) *if you wonder why I keep calling them Digia and not the Qt Company, it is because the actions of late don't really feel like Qt of old (Nokia, TrollTech) would have treated opens s

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Alexandru Croitor
> On 20. May 2021, at 19:20, Robert Löhning wrote: > > Am 20.05.21 um 15:18 schrieb Alexandru Croitor: >> Hi, >> In my opinion this is a good opportunity to move away from IRC to something >> more modern. >> (..) >> Matrix is open source, has Qt based clients, has modern features, and if >> pu

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Robert Löhning
Am 20.05.21 um 15:18 schrieb Alexandru Croitor: Hi, In my opinion this is a good opportunity to move away from IRC to something more modern. (..) Matrix is open source, has Qt based clients, has modern features, and if push comes to shove, can bridge with IRC. Hi Alexandru, could you plea

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi, One option (following a bit what Andy wrote below) would be to do nothing immediately, but instead discuss this in the upcoming Qt Contributor’s Summit to plan the next steps. While there is currently a lot of turmoil around freenode they have not disappeared or intend to do so (https://fr

Re: [Development] Renamed: Running a service for Qt community

2021-05-20 Thread Jason H
> So, how many people and entities do we have in the Qt community that have the > capacity, competence, and credentials to run a service? I personally would > very much like to see certain aspects of the community at large to be less > entangled with The Qt Company. The qt-project.org page is a

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Edward Welbourne
On 20/05/2021 13:47, Alejandro Exojo wrote: >> Also, I don't understand how not having to register can be a >> requirement at all, given that one needs to register, sometimes >> multiple times, to use some of the other official channels. E.g. to >> participate in the mailing list I of course need t

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Andy Nichols
> Anyways: this isn't the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is > what to do with the currently officially endorsed IRC channels on Freenode. Sure it is. My vote is to do nothing (stay on Freenode), and let our IRC presence continue its fade into obscurity. Then replace it with som

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Jason H
For mode detail about the situation, I consulted: https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7ev8y/freenode-open-source-korea-crown-prince-takeover https://www.kline.sh/ In the past my use of IRC was limited by firewalls. If at all possible, whatever is moved to, I would request be web-accessable (https). F

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Il 20/05/21 15:42, Alexandru Croitor ha scritto: Does this require the Qt project to host a Matrix server/entry point, or do you mean to ask KDE to use theirs? I was thinking of asking them to use theirs. You know the follow up question: what's in there for KDE? :-) Thanks, -- Giuseppe D'Ang

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Il 20/05/21 13:59, Andy Nichols ha scritto: Are any of these channels endorsed by the Qt project? The IRC channels are, that's why I'm raising the question here. They probably should be. We list those in our "Online Communities" wiki. I'm active on the Qt Discord and its quite lively and inte

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Alexandru Croitor
> On 20. May 2021, at 15:38, Giuseppe D'Angelo > wrote: > > Il 20/05/21 15:18, Alexandru Croitor ha scritto: >> Given that KDE is using Matrix, I think it seems like a natural idea to join >> their network, which would bring us closer and hopefully facilitate more >> collaboration. I don't e

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Il 20/05/21 15:18, Alexandru Croitor ha scritto: Given that KDE is using Matrix, I think it seems like a natural idea to join their network, which would bring us closer and hopefully facilitate more collaboration. I don't expect a few additional qt channels will overload their network. Does

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Alexandru Croitor
> On 20. May 2021, at 15:18, Alexandru Croitor wrote: > > Hi, > >> On 20. May 2021, at 14:18, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development >> wrote: >> >> Lacking some formal voting infrastructure, how do we take this vote? >> I'd say, KISS: please reply to this email and express your preference. > >

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Alexandru Croitor
Hi, > On 20. May 2021, at 14:18, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development > wrote: > > Lacking some formal voting infrastructure, how do we take this vote? > I'd say, KISS: please reply to this email and express your preference. In my opinion this is a good opportunity to move away from IRC to someth

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Andy Nichols
>> I did notice that the Godot (open source Game >> engine) community have recently officially moved there development >> chat to Discord from Freenode (IRC) and The server is very active and >> vibrant. > I believe only their development and contribution channel was /moved/, and > they use a

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Jimi Huotari
On Thu, 20 May 2021 11:59:31 + Andy Nichols wrote: > I did notice that the Godot (open source Game > engine) community have recently officially moved there development chat > to Discord from Freenode (IRC) and The server is very active and vibrant. I believe only their development and contri

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Hi, On 20/05/2021 13:47, Alejandro Exojo wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote: * there's no registration required; * the $newthing has proven stability, staff, resources, etc., and won't disappear in a few months/years; * ... then anything is fine

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Andy Nichols
>> The chat channels are fragmented these days. There’s the Qt discord >> channels, QtMob on Slack, Qt and Advanced C++ on Telegram. > Are any of these channels endorsed by the Qt project? > The IRC channels are, that's why I'm raising the question here. They probably should be. We list those

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Alejandro Exojo
On Wed, May 19, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote: > * there's no registration required; > * the $newthing has proven stability, staff, resources, etc., and won't > disappear in a few months/years; > * ... > > then anything is fine. > > All other things being equal, the

Re: [Development] Nominating Johanna Vanhatapio as an approver

2021-05-20 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
On 20/05/2021 12:09, Paul Wicking wrote: On 5/20/21 12:04 PM, Paul Wicking wrote: I’ve received emails through development@ from both Topi and Leena seconding the motion. ...and those are in the archives, as well: https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2021-April/041242.html Yep

Re: [Development] Nominating Johanna Vanhatapio as an approver

2021-05-20 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
On 20/05/2021 12:04, Paul Wicking wrote: I’ve received emails through development@ from both Topi and Leena seconding the motion. Apologies! I didn't see any reply in the original thread, and assumed it went unanswered. I see now the replies [1], they simply weren't threaded properly (broken

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
Hi, On 20/05/2021 12:02, lj p wrote: The chat channels are fragmented these days. There’s the Qt discord channels, QtMob on Slack, Qt and Advanced C++ on Telegram. Are any of these channels endorsed by the Qt project? The IRC channels are, that's why I'm raising the question here. Not to men

Re: [Development] Nominating Johanna Vanhatapio as an approver

2021-05-20 Thread Paul Wicking
On 5/20/21 12:04 PM, Paul Wicking wrote: > I’ve received emails through development@ from both Topi and Leena seconding > the motion. > ...and those are in the archives, as well: https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2021-April/041242.html //! Paul > //! Paul > >> On 20 May 2021,

Re: [Development] Nominating Johanna Vanhatapio as an approver

2021-05-20 Thread Paul Wicking
I’ve received emails through development@ from both Topi and Leena seconding the motion. //! Paul > On 20 May 2021, at 11:51, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development > wrote: > > On 20/05/2021 08:24, Alex Blasche wrote: >> Congratulations to Johanna. Approver rights have been granted. > > ... not

Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread lj p
> On 20 May 2021, at 12:17 am, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development > wrote: > [snip] The chat channels are fragmented these days. There’s the Qt discord channels, QtMob on Slack, Qt and Advanced C++ on Telegram. Not to mention freenode ones, that no one uses anymore, or the internal Qt Company

Re: [Development] Nominating Johanna Vanhatapio as an approver

2021-05-20 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
On 20/05/2021 08:24, Alex Blasche wrote: Congratulations to Johanna. Approver rights have been granted. ... not to be the annoying one, but could there please be at least someone else who could second this nomination? Thank you, -- Giuseppe D'Angelo | giuseppe.dang...@kdab.com | Senior Softw

Re: [Development] Svar: Changes to Freenode's IRC

2021-05-20 Thread Volker Hilsheimer
>> Fra: Development på vegne av Jason H >> >> Dato: onsdag, 19. mai 2021 kl. 18:24 >> Til: Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer >> Kopi: development >> Emne: Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC >> >> > Hi! >> > >> > On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:30, Jason H wrote: >> > > >> > > Aren't all