Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday 17 November 2014 20:59:54 Kevin Kofler wrote: > Oh, and I forgot: > > Thiago Macieira wrote: > > I understand that. But applications and frameworks can't switch to a new > > version of GStreamer overnight. Think of how long GStreamer 0.10 has been > > in existence. > > We are not asking

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Oh, and I forgot: Thiago Macieira wrote: > I understand that. But applications and frameworks can't switch to a new > version of GStreamer overnight. Think of how long GStreamer 0.10 has been > in existence. We are not asking anybody to switch "overnight". GStreamer 1 has been out for over 2 YEA

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Thiago Macieira wrote: > QtWebKit is under our control, so we should be able to control whether it > links to the same version or a different one. But if the choice is between having everything that links both QtWebKit and Phonon (i.e. large parts of KDE) crash or having everything that links bot

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday 17 November 2014 20:00:23 Kevin Kofler wrote: > Thiago Macieira wrote: > > > > Developers don't care about having the latest version, they care about > > > > getting work done. > > [snip] > > > I understand, but that only supports my point. So it wasn't the distros > > that were shortsi

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Thiago Macieira wrote: > > > Developers don't care about having the latest version, they care about > > > getting work done. [snip] > I understand, but that only supports my point. So it wasn't the distros > that were shortsighted, the upstream developers were. But users do care about everything u

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Gianluca
Il giorno 17/nov/2014, alle ore 18:15, Thiago Macieira ha scritto: > On Monday 17 November 2014 18:11:59 Gianluca wrote: >>> The fullscreen video player that got launched has controls to play, >>> pause, >>> seek, etc. >> >> Qt Quick 2 VideoOutput does not have any controls. I’m sure, I’ve ne

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday 17 November 2014 18:11:59 Gianluca wrote: > > The fullscreen video player that got launched has controls to play, > > pause, > > seek, etc. > > Qt Quick 2 VideoOutput does not have any controls. I’m sure, I’ve never seen > such controls appear automatically on iOS neither on Android nei

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Gianluca
Il giorno 17/nov/2014, alle ore 17:57, Thiago Macieira ha scritto: > On Monday 17 November 2014 17:49:37 Gianluca wrote: And don't you need to render controls? >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, but I imagine that the video player has those controls already. >> >> Can you explain this ? Maybe I’m s

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday 17 November 2014 17:55:38 Gianluca wrote: > That is where maybe Qt communication fails. > Because I don’t have Git checkout of Qt source code, I was always tend to > avoid this mailing-list and to write only on the community forum. But maybe > you should take a look on the forum, because

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday 17 November 2014 17:49:37 Gianluca wrote: > >> And don't you need to render controls? > > > > > > > > Yes, but I imagine that the video player has those controls already. > > Can you explain this ? Maybe I’m stupid, but if I have some Qt Quick Item > for play/pause button and close but

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday 17 November 2014 17:48:05 Giuseppe D'Angelo wrote: > Il 17/11/2014 17:43, Thiago Macieira ha scritto: > > No, I don't think there's any need to render in a smaller frame except for > > specialised applications like the video editor that you mentioned. Those > > specialised applications th

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Gianluca
Il giorno 17/nov/2014, alle ore 17:47, Thiago Macieira ha scritto: > On Monday 17 November 2014 09:10:06 Gianluca wrote: >> I’m very happy. That’s give a complete different view. But, I would disagree >> about your suggestion of “forget the wiki”, because the main communication >> with the Qt u

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Gianluca
Il giorno 17/nov/2014, alle ore 17:43, Thiago Macieira ha scritto: > On Monday 17 November 2014 09:43:33 André Somers wrote: >> Thiago Macieira schreef op 17-11-2014 01:48: >>> Why do you want to render video non-fullscreen anyway on a device with >>> a small screen? Once the user clicks the pl

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday 17 November 2014 00:37:20 Rex Dieter wrote: > Thiago Macieira wrote: > > On Monday 17 November 2014 02:55:33 Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Yet Phonon officially supports GStreamer 1 now, QtMultimedia still > >> doesn't. These are the kinds of things we notice as GNU/Linux > >> distributors, no

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo
Il 17/11/2014 17:43, Thiago Macieira ha scritto: No, I don't think there's any need to render in a smaller frame except for specialised applications like the video editor that you mentioned. Those specialised applications that do video as their main functionality will not use the generic multimed

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday 17 November 2014 09:10:06 Gianluca wrote: > I’m very happy. That’s give a complete different view. But, I would disagree > about your suggestion of “forget the wiki”, because the main communication > with the Qt user should pass from there. Only few users has the will and > the ability to

Re: [Development] Encoding video via QtMultimedia?

2014-11-17 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2014-11-17 08:57, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Lopes Yoann wrote: >> I’d recommend to use libav (https://libav.org) to do this. > > I would use ffmpeg instead of libav (ffmpeg merges every commit from libav > + their own) Agreed. I did my own research when I h

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday 17 November 2014 09:43:33 André Somers wrote: > Thiago Macieira schreef op 17-11-2014 01:48: > > Why do you want to render video non-fullscreen anyway on a device with > > a small screen? Once the user clicks the play button, go to full > > screen with rotation support. > > What a short-

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:43 AM, André Somers wrote: IMHO, it is not up for framework developers to decide that user won't > need this kind of capability. It does need to be there, so application > developers can be creative in how they use video playback. > > Indeed. In fact, I am about to star

Re: [Development] Encoding video via QtMultimedia?

2014-11-17 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
Hello, I would use ffmpeg instead of libav (ffmpeg merges every commit from libav + their own) But QtGStreamer is probably a better solution and has fewer problems with licenses. ffmpeg and libav are GPLv2 if you enable some compilation flags, GStreamer is always LGPL. If even LGPL is a problem,

Re: [Development] Encoding video via QtMultimedia?

2014-11-17 Thread Lopes Yoann
There is no API in Qt Multimedia to do this. As mentioned, QMediaRecorder can only be used with a QCamera. In a similar fashion to QAudioDecoder, we could have APIs like QAudioEncoder, QVideoDecoder and QVideoEncoder. Though, considering the amount of work there is to improve existing APIs, I d

[Development] Qt 5.4.0 changes files

2014-11-17 Thread Heikkinen Jani
Hi all (maintainers), Qt5.4.0 release is nearing, please start creating needed changes files for it as soon as possible (if not already done)! There is a wiki page for links to the change files here: http://qt-project.org/wiki/Change-files-in-Qt-5.4.0 Best regards, Jani Heikkinen Release Man

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread André Somers
Thiago Macieira schreef op 17-11-2014 01:48: > Why do you want to render video non-fullscreen anyway on a device with > a small screen? Once the user clicks the play button, go to full > screen with rotation support. What a short-sighted comment. I really respect you, but this comment really mi

Re: [Development] The dark side of QtMultimedia

2014-11-17 Thread Gianluca
Il giorno 17/nov/2014, alle ore 07:26, Konstantin Podsvirov ha scritto: > On Sunday 16 November 2014 22:31:45 Gianluca wrote: >> So, from my point of view, the QtMultimedia seems abandoned (I hope it’s a >> wrong deduction from a superficial view of the project). The indication of >> that deduc