Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Kyle Hamilton
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Eddy Nigg wrote: > On 03/24/2009 04:09 AM, Ian G: >> This would then mean that on adding an email account into Tbird, it >> automatically creates the public key pair.  On each email sent out, it >> includes the public key in a header.  On each email received, it gr

Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 03/24/2009 04:09 AM, Ian G:instead I'm asking you, how would you secure email OK, just quickly, coz we are way off topic. You started the off-topic I think... Two caveats: Firstly, email is the clunkiest awfulest of communications apps It's not relevant, albeit I might agree...but it

Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Ian G
On 24/3/09 01:48, Eddy Nigg wrote: On 03/24/2009 02:25 AM, Ian G: I haven't followed it in depth, but the primary way that the E.B.s have responded is to move their existing TAN system to a cellphone SMS (which the europeans call "handys", brits call them mobiles). A TAN is a transaction authent

Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 03/24/2009 02:35 AM, Ian G: You can disagree, fine. I even hate it. I despise the notion that someone can download and install software, pretend to be an expert, and get it going within maybe an hour, with no clue as to how it works. That's not how it was in my day! So we have actually a

Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Kyle Hamilton
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ian G wrote: >>> Hmmm, well, many questions abound: why wasn't it done? where was this >>> discussed? Why didn't client certs just happen? Why are we still using >>> passwords? >>> >> >> Good questionit's because it's so much more convenient and everybody >> is

Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 03/24/2009 02:25 AM, Ian G: I haven't followed it in depth, but the primary way that the E.B.s have responded is to move their existing TAN system to a cellphone SMS (which the europeans call "handys", brits call them mobiles). A TAN is a transaction authentication number which is distribut

Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Ian G
On 22/3/09 00:32, Eddy Nigg wrote: On 03/22/2009 12:55 AM, Ian G: I don't know about these things, but I recognise that badly configured servers are a pain. The servers I have experienced this with are Apache. They may be misconfigured, but the sysadms aren't agreeing at the moment, and talking

Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Ian G
On 23/3/09 20:36, Nelson B Bolyard wrote: Ian G wrote, On 2009-03-22 16:01 PDT: Man in the Browser. It is a term that seems to have caught on to describe what happens when the browser is taken over by malware, and it owns the interface. To solve the security problems that arises in online ban

Re: TC TrustCenter Root Inclusion Request

2009-03-23 Thread Eddy Nigg
Hi Rolf, Thank you for taking your time here. Please allow me a few more questions... On 03/23/2009 07:14 PM, Rolf Lindemann: 1. General description of the sub-CAs operated by third parties. --> This sub-CA 1 is used to issue certificate to company internal devices. All relying parties are co

Re: AIA CA issuers. Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 03/23/2009 10:27 PM, Nelson B Bolyard: I'd change that last line to this; Click here to bet your career that this cert is genuine and not a forgery. I'd suggest that we also display the URL for the user to see before deciding, but we know that users would click without even looking at it. B

Re: JSS: How to load symmetric key from NSS DB?

2009-03-23 Thread Glen Beasley
alex.agra...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder how is it possible to load symmetric key that is stored inside the NSS DB via JSS API? I tried using KeyStore JCA class (as in org.mozilla.jss.tests.KeyStoreTest example): KeyStore ks = KeyStore.getInstance("Mozilla-JSS"); but it turns out that JSSProv

Re: NSPR assertion failure

2009-03-23 Thread Julien R Pierre - Sun Microsystems
Sreedhar, This is an assertion on a pthread_mutex_lock failure . What operating system and version are you running your application on ? Using a debugger, can you print the value of rv and errno from your core file when you get this assertion ? On Solaris 10, the possible error codes are EAG

Re: AIA CA issuers. Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
Eddy Nigg wrote, On 2009-03-23 11:20: > On 03/23/2009 08:13 PM, Nelson B Bolyard: >> Perhaps PSM should have a feature, used at cert import time, that discovers >> that the chain is incomplete and offers, at that time, to go and fetch the >> missing certs in the chain via AIA. > > Cold this be a s

Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
Ian G wrote, On 2009-03-22 16:01 PDT: > Man in the Browser. It is a term that seems to have caught on to > describe what happens when the browser is taken over by malware, and it > owns the interface. To solve the security problems that arises in > online banking is more challenging, which is

Re: Firefox requires 2 times to select certificate for validation

2009-03-23 Thread dave davesons
2009/3/20 Nelson B Bolyard > > dave davesons wrote, On 2009-03-20 10:18: > > Dear all, > > > > I have configure a reverse proxy with client certificate validation. > > > > When accessing the site using firefox, firefox first asks the user to > > select the certificate to authenticate as it should

Re: AIA CA issuers. Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 03/23/2009 08:13 PM, Nelson B Bolyard: Perhaps PSM should have a feature, used at cert import time, that discovers that the chain is incomplete and offers, at that time, to go and fetch the missing certs in the chain via AIA. Cold this be a solution which could be applied to Firefox as w

Re: Summing it up. Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
Eddy Nigg wrote, On 2009-03-23 08:30: > On 03/23/2009 06:29 AM, Nelson B Bolyard: >> 1) When the user downloaded his new email cert in his browser, he didn't >> get the full chain, but only got his own cert. So, he didn't have the >> complete cert chain in his browser when he exported it to a PKCS

Re: AIA CA issuers. Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
Anders Rundgren wrote, On 2009-03-23 08:19: > In theory TLS path-building could be addressed by server-admins. Yes, they could do that in their roles as Subject parties and as Relying parties. I'd definitely recommend the former. The latter may be a good alternative to AIA because it would avoid

Re: Summing it up. Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 03/23/2009 07:18 PM, Kaspar Brand: That's not true - neither from my experience with Firefox nor from looking at the code: nsPKCS12Blob::ExportToFile calls SEC_PKCS12AddCertAndKey: Correction! I've created new profiles both on Firefox and on Thunderbird. And indeed Firefox back's up t

Re: TC TrustCenter Root Inclusion Request

2009-03-23 Thread Rolf Lindemann
Hi, Here our statement regarding the SubordinateCA checklist requirements: There are only two subordinate CAs issued by the root certificates related to this request. Both Sub-CAs are operated by a third party for internal use only. Regarding Sub-CA 1, which is chained to “TC Class 2 CA II” Be

Re: Summing it up. Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Kaspar Brand
Eddy Nigg wrote: >> The incomplete chain downloaded into Firefox is the problem that must be >> fixed. It's the most crucial. I don't know if it's entirely an issue >> in the CA (:-) or also partially in Firefox. >> > > Unfortunately Firefox DOES NOT include the chain in the PKCS12 file even

Re: Summing it up. Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 03/23/2009 06:29 AM, Nelson B Bolyard: 1) When the user downloaded his new email cert in his browser, he didn't get the full chain, but only got his own cert. So, he didn't have the complete cert chain in his browser when he exported it to a PKCS#12 file. If the cert chain had been complete i

AIA CA issuers. Re: client certificates unusable?

2009-03-23 Thread Anders Rundgren
In theory TLS path-building could be addressed by server-admins. Unfortunately practice shows that users (RPs) of third-party PKIs do not get informed by CAs when it is time to install a new immediate CA certificate because the brand (root) have expanded their issuing-customer base or when a s