Re: Dan Kaminsky's DNS talk discusses SSL

2008-08-18 Thread Heikki Toivonen
Nelson Bolyard wrote: > If you haven't already done so, read Dan Kaminsky's slides from his > talk at blackhat. http://www.doxpara.com/DMK_BO2K8.ppt Thanks for the link! > Results attributed to Consumer Reports, showing that the number of > people who ignore bad cert warnings is about equal to t

Re: Questions on NSS_Shutdown () and Firefox crash

2008-08-18 Thread Howard Chu
Nelson B Bolyard wrote: > Howard Chu wrote, On 2008-08-17 22:21: >> > I think you're saying that you expect every library to have its own set of > trusted certs, as if libraries -- and not true human users -- get to decide > what certs are trusted and what are not. A human user doesn't need a > s

Re: Questions on NSS_Shutdown () and Firefox crash

2008-08-18 Thread Kyle Hamilton
I'm not talking 'security' here. I'm talking 'ease of management'. Please allow me to iterate something that you seem to be absolutely ignoring: I AM AWARE OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE STATED, AND THEY ARE RECOGNIZED AND MITIGATED BY AND IN MY SECURITY POLICY AND SECURITY-VERSUS-USABILITY-VERSUS-M

Re: Questions on NSS_Shutdown () and Firefox crash

2008-08-18 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
Kyle Hamilton wrote, On 2008-08-18 15:20: > A library is a 'client'. You could replace Howard's use of 'user' > with 'client' and get more understanding. Oh, I quite understand that his model has keys and certs that belong to libraries, not to users. Of course, when a library brings access to th

Re: A general question about libnss3

2008-08-18 Thread Wan-Teh Chang
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Ruchi Lohani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure thing about the symlinks. > > dpkg -S libnss3.so gives > > libnss3-1d: /usr/lib/libnss3.so > libnss3-1d-dbg: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libnss3.so.1d > libnss3-0d: /usr/lib/libnss3.so.0d > libnss3-1d: /usr/lib/libnss3.so.1

Re: Questions on NSS_Shutdown () and Firefox crash

2008-08-18 Thread Kyle Hamilton
A library is a 'client'. You could replace Howard's use of 'user' with 'client' and get more understanding. How about the case where each client is supposed to have its own private key and certificate? I'm not talking about "client trusts a different set of roots" (though that's also possible --

RE: A general question about libnss3

2008-08-18 Thread Ruchi Lohani
Sure thing about the symlinks. dpkg -S libnss3.so gives libnss3-1d: /usr/lib/libnss3.so libnss3-1d-dbg: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libnss3.so.1d libnss3-0d: /usr/lib/libnss3.so.0d libnss3-1d: /usr/lib/libnss3.so.1d on my ubuntu (8.04) machine. -Ruchi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTE

Re: A general question about libnss3

2008-08-18 Thread Wan-Teh Chang
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Ruchi Lohani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It works a little different here. > The binary compiled with libnss3.so (not as symlinks) on the system, > works fine on Ubuntu with libnss3.so.1d and a symlinks as libnss3.so to > libnss3.so.1d (apt-get takes care of making

Re: Questions on NSS_Shutdown () and Firefox crash

2008-08-18 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
Howard Chu wrote, On 2008-08-17 22:21: > Nelson B Bolyard wrote: >> Previously, someone criticized NSS, saying that it was designed for use >> only on single-user systems, a criticism that I dispute. NSS is very much >> oriented toward each user have his own set of trusted flags. In contrast to >

Re: Questions on NSS_Shutdown () and Firefox crash

2008-08-18 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
Daniel Stenberg wrote, On 2008-08-18 14:07: > On Sun, 17 Aug 2008, Kyle Hamilton wrote: > >> OpenSSL does not have a root-certificate program. The official >> position (from http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#USER16) is that >> the job of OpenSSL is to create the code to make trust possible,

RE: A general question about libnss3

2008-08-18 Thread Ruchi Lohani
It works a little different here. The binary compiled with libnss3.so (not as symlinks) on the system, works fine on Ubuntu with libnss3.so.1d and a symlinks as libnss3.so to libnss3.so.1d (apt-get takes care of making that I suppose). Since the binary depends on libnss3.so which it finds it as sy

Re: Questions on NSS_Shutdown () and Firefox crash

2008-08-18 Thread Daniel Stenberg
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008, Kyle Hamilton wrote: > OpenSSL does not have a root-certificate program. The official > position (from http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#USER16) is that > the job of OpenSSL is to create the code to make trust possible, not > dictate who to trust. > > In fact, that same

Re: A general question about libnss3

2008-08-18 Thread Wan-Teh Chang
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ruchi Lohani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So can I manually download the NSS and NSPR source from > https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/security/nss/releases/NSS_3_12_R > TM/src/nss-3.12-with-nspr-4.7.tar.gz > and then compile it on Ubuntu? Will it solve the bu

RE: A general question about libnss3

2008-08-18 Thread Ruchi Lohani
So can I manually download the NSS and NSPR source from https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/security/nss/releases/NSS_3_12_R TM/src/nss-3.12-with-nspr-4.7.tar.gz and then compile it on Ubuntu? Will it solve the build problem to allow me build it on Ubuntu and use it on multiple Linux distros?