Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-22 Thread Neil
Mike Hommey wrote: note that the express version requires to be registered, now. Technically that's only true if you want to build or debug using Visual Studio rather than the command-line tools, but that's still a pain. -- Warning: May contain traces of nuts. _

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Nick Thomas
Filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1085767 -Nick On 21/10/14 7:34 am, Stefan Sitter wrote: > Hi, > > are there plans to switch the Thunderbird builders from VS2010 to VS2013 > as well? > > /Stefan ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-pla

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:09:40PM -0400, Mike Hoye wrote: > On 2014-10-20 11:56 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: > >On 2014-10-20 11:44 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: > >>Hi, > >> > >>Can you or someone else in the know update > >>https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Win

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Stefan Sitter
Hi, are there plans to switch the Thunderbird builders from VS2010 to VS2013 as well? /Stefan On 14.10.2014 08:10, David Major wrote: VS2013 is now on inbound and all Windows builds are green. (Win64 builds were actually switched late last week, as they are unaffected by trains.) Please fi

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Birunthan Mohanathas
;> * Check the build log: >>VS2013 logs contain the string 'Compiler Version 18.00'. >>VS2010 logs contain the string 'Compiler Version 16.00'. >> >> David >> >> >> - Original Message - >>> >>> Fro

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Mike Hoye
On 2014-10-20 11:56 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: On 2014-10-20 11:44 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: Hi, Can you or someone else in the know update https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Windows_Prerequisites and friends, or (if you don't like wiki software, don't

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
On 20/10/2014 16:56, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: On 2014-10-20 11:44 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: Hi, Can you or someone else in the know update https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Windows_Prerequisites and friends, or (if you don't like wiki software, don't want

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-10-20 11:44 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: Hi, Can you or someone else in the know update https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Windows_Prerequisites and friends, or (if you don't like wiki software, don't want to create an account, or have other reasons

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:21:07 PM Subject: Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013 Update: the switch will happen early in version 36. The build machines needed a reinstall of VS2013 due to a deployment issue. As merge day is coming up, it's not a good time for major changes. We'll wait fo

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-20 Thread Mike Hoye
On 2014-10-20 11:44 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: Hi, Can you or someone else in the know update https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Windows_Prerequisites and friends, Working on it. - mhoye ___ dev-platform mai

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-13 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:10:58PM -0700, David Major wrote: > VS2013 is now on inbound and all Windows builds are green. > > (Win64 builds were actually switched late last week, as they are > unaffected by trains.) > > Please file bugs blocking 914596 if you encounter any VS2013-specific > issue

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-13 Thread David Major
David - Original Message - > From: "David Major" > To: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org, firefox-...@mozilla.org > Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:21:07 PM > Subject: Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013 > > Update: the switch will happen early in version 36. >

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-10-07 Thread David Major
he process. David - Original Message - > From: "David Major" > To: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org, firefox-...@mozilla.org > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 6:27:58 PM > Subject: Switching to Visual Studio 2013 > > We plan to switch the Windows build machines to

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-09-01 Thread David Major
Please open bugs for this kind of thing. I filed 1061339 for you. - Original Message - > From: "xunxun" > To: "David Major" > Cc: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org, firefox-...@mozilla.org > Sent: Monday, September 1, 2014 9:01:19 PM > Subject: Re: Switc

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-09-01 Thread xunxun
And after switching to VS2013, we should enable AVX2 on libvpx then, because libvpx has some AVX2 optimization code. On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 2:27 PM, David Major wrote: > We plan to switch the Windows build machines to Visual Studio 2013 on the > Firefox 35 train. > > Some benefits from this ch

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-27 Thread Jeff Gilbert
> From: "Gian-Carlo Pascutto" > To: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:23:34 AM > Subject: Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013 > > On 27/08/2014 17:30, Ted Mielczarek wrote: > > > I think our commitment to the Express ve

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-27 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-08-27, 2:23 PM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: On 27/08/2014 17:30, Ted Mielczarek wrote: I think our commitment to the Express versions should be "ensure it works with whatever Microsoft makes it easy to get a hold of". We should fix bugs that impact developers' ability to build with the v

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-27 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
On 27/08/2014 17:30, Ted Mielczarek wrote: > I think our commitment to the Express versions should be "ensure it > works with whatever Microsoft makes it easy to get a hold of". We should > fix bugs that impact developers' ability to build with the versions of > the toolchain we support, but I hav

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-27 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On 8/27/2014 10:22 AM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > On 26/08/2014 13:06, Mike Hommey wrote: > >> Relatedly, we need to ensure it's still possible to build Firefox with >> the express version of MSVC (the free of charge one) corresponding to >> the minimum MSVC version we support. > It seems to work

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-27 Thread Mike Hoye
On 2014-08-27 10:22 AM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: One issue related to the discussion in bug 914596 is that it's harder to find the non-latest-version of the Express version. That is, if you install Express now, you get SP3. It's probably possible to get SP2 anyhow, but I couldn't easily find a

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-27 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
On 26/08/2014 13:06, Mike Hommey wrote: > Relatedly, we need to ensure it's still possible to build Firefox with > the express version of MSVC (the free of charge one) corresponding to > the minimum MSVC version we support. It seems to work fine with MSVC2013 Express - I'm using it for developmen

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-08-26, 9:14 PM, Joshua Cranmer 🐧 wrote: On 8/26/2014 6:20 PM, Neil wrote: Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I was talking about MSVC2012 + the November CTP. We absolutely don't want to support older versions of 2012 (or 2013 for that matter.) What does that mean and why isn't it mentioned on MDN

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Joshua Cranmer 🐧
On 8/26/2014 6:20 PM, Neil wrote: Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I was talking about MSVC2012 + the November CTP. We absolutely don't want to support older versions of 2012 (or 2013 for that matter.) What does that mean and why isn't it mentioned on MDN? The MSVC development team announced in 2012

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Neil
Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I was talking about MSVC2012 + the November CTP. We absolutely don't want to support older versions of 2012 (or 2013 for that matter.) What does that mean and why isn't it mentioned on MDN? -- Warning: May contain traces of nuts. _

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-08-26, 11:39 AM, Joshua Cranmer 🐧 wrote: On 8/26/2014 10:37 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: On 2014-08-26, 11:29 AM, Joshua Cranmer 🐧 wrote: On 8/26/2014 10:09 AM, Ted Mielczarek wrote: On 8/26/2014 11:03 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version t

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Joshua Cranmer 🐧
On 8/26/2014 10:37 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: On 2014-08-26, 11:29 AM, Joshua Cranmer 🐧 wrote: On 8/26/2014 10:09 AM, Ted Mielczarek wrote: On 8/26/2014 11:03 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version to 2012 as soon as possible. That will give us acc

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-08-26, 11:29 AM, Joshua Cranmer 🐧 wrote: On 8/26/2014 10:09 AM, Ted Mielczarek wrote: On 8/26/2014 11:03 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version to 2012 as soon as possible. That will give us access to the following C++ features which are a

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-08-26, 11:16 AM, Lars Hansen wrote: From: "Ehsan Akhgari" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:03:31 PM Subject: Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013 I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version to 2012 as soon as possible. That will give us access to the f

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-08-26, 11:09 AM, Ted Mielczarek wrote: On 8/26/2014 11:03 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version to 2012 as soon as possible. That will give us access to the following C++ features which are all supported on gcc 4.4 (aka our Vintage Compil

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Joshua Cranmer 🐧
On 8/26/2014 10:09 AM, Ted Mielczarek wrote: On 8/26/2014 11:03 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version to 2012 as soon as possible. That will give us access to the following C++ features which are all supported on gcc 4.4 (aka our Vintage Compiler)

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Lars Hansen
> From: "Ehsan Akhgari" > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:03:31 PM > Subject: Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013 > > I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version to 2012 as > soon as possible. That will give us access to the following C++ > feat

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On 8/26/2014 11:03 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: > > I would like us to update the minimum supported MSVC version to 2012 > as soon as possible. That will give us access to the following C++ > features which are all supported on gcc 4.4 (aka our Vintage Compiler) > and MSVC starting from 2012: > > * Va

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-08-26, 6:57 AM, Ted Mielczarek wrote: On 8/26/2014 2:03 AM, Makoto Kato wrote: When do we support old version of Visual Studio after switching to VS2013? Now we still support VS2010 + SDK 7.1 as minimal requirement. Generally we have worked with a few unofficial guidelines for toolcha

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:57:15AM -0400, Ted Mielczarek wrote: > On 8/26/2014 2:03 AM, Makoto Kato wrote: > > When do we support old version of Visual Studio after switching to > > VS2013? > > > > Now we still support VS2010 + SDK 7.1 as minimal requirement. > > > Generally we have worked with a f

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On 8/26/2014 2:03 AM, Makoto Kato wrote: > When do we support old version of Visual Studio after switching to > VS2013? > > Now we still support VS2010 + SDK 7.1 as minimal requirement. > Generally we have worked with a few unofficial guidelines for toolchain support: 1) If an older version of a to

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-26 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On 8/26/2014 2:03 AM, Makoto Kato wrote: > When do we support old version of Visual Studio after switching to > VS2013? > > Now we still support VS2010 + SDK 7.1 as minimal requirement. > Generally we have worked with a few unofficial guidelines for toolchain support: 1) If an older version of a to

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-25 Thread Makoto Kato
When do we support old version of Visual Studio after switching to VS2013? Now we still support VS2010 + SDK 7.1 as minimal requirement. On 2014/08/22 15:27, David Major wrote: We plan to switch the Windows build machines to Visual Studio 2013 on the Firefox 35 train. Some benefits from this

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-23 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
On 8/23/2014 6:15 AM, Neil wrote: David Major wrote: * No more linker OOM crashes. VS2013 includes a 64-bit toolchain for 32-bit builds, so the linker will no longer be limited to 4GB address space. So will you be requiring 64-bit builders? For PGO builds, probably yes. For normal develop

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-23 Thread Neil
David Major wrote: * No more linker OOM crashes. VS2013 includes a 64-bit toolchain for 32-bit builds, so the linker will no longer be limited to 4GB address space. So will you be requiring 64-bit builders? -- Warning: May contain traces of nuts. _

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-22 Thread Nicholas Nethercote
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 4:27 PM, David Major wrote: > We plan to switch the Windows build machines to Visual Studio 2013 on the > Firefox 35 train. > > Some benefits from this change: > * No more linker OOM crashes. VS2013 includes a 64-bit toolchain for 32-bit > builds, so the linker will no lo

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-22 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
On 8/22/2014 10:34 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: Do we have a configure check for this so people trying this won't waste oodles of time only to get internal errors? :-) No we don't. It only affects PGO builds, which no normal person ever does, so I think the relative effort of implementing and

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-22 Thread Kyle Huey
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:27 PM, David Major wrote: > We plan to switch the Windows build machines to Visual Studio 2013 on the > Firefox 35 train. > > Some benefits from this change: > * No more linker OOM crashes. VS2013 includes a 64-bit toolchain for 32-bit > builds, so the linker will no l

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-22 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
On 22/08/2014 15:55, Benjamin Smedberg wrote: On 8/22/2014 5:04 AM, xunxun wrote: And we should use VC2013 update2 or newer edition, whose PGO is faster than WPO. Yes, we had to wait for update 2 for fixes that would allow Firefox PGO builds to complete at all (there were previously internal

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-22 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
On 8/22/2014 5:04 AM, xunxun wrote: And we should use VC2013 update2 or newer edition, whose PGO is faster than WPO. Yes, we had to wait for update 2 for fixes that would allow Firefox PGO builds to complete at all (there were previously internal compile errors during the link phase). Update

Re: Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-22 Thread xunxun
And we should use VC2013 update2 or newer edition, whose PGO is faster than WPO. On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 2:27 PM, David Major wrote: > We plan to switch the Windows build machines to Visual Studio 2013 on the > Firefox 35 train. > > Some benefits from this change: > * No more linker OOM crashes

Switching to Visual Studio 2013

2014-08-21 Thread David Major
We plan to switch the Windows build machines to Visual Studio 2013 on the Firefox 35 train. Some benefits from this change: * No more linker OOM crashes. VS2013 includes a 64-bit toolchain for 32-bit builds, so the linker will no longer be limited to 4GB address space. * The linker capacity open