Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2021-02-10 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 11:00:14AM +0100, Valentin Gosu wrote: > On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 at 09:57, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:45:53AM +0200, Henri Sivonen wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:37 AM Valentin Gosu > > wrote: > > > > FTP support is currently disabled on Nigh

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2021-02-10 Thread Valentin Gosu
On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 at 09:57, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:45:53AM +0200, Henri Sivonen wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:37 AM Valentin Gosu > wrote: > > > FTP support is currently disabled on Nightly. > > > Our current plan is for the pref flip to ride the trains with Fi

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2021-02-10 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 9:37 AM Valentin Gosu wrote: > FTP support is currently disabled on Nightly. Does this have any impact on the URL parser? Do we still (want to?) support the ftp scheme in form submission (to then delegate the computed URL to some kind of handler rather than the browser)? N

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2021-02-10 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:45:53AM +0200, Henri Sivonen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:37 AM Valentin Gosu > wrote: > > FTP support is currently disabled on Nightly. > > Our current plan is for the pref flip to ride the trains with Firefox 88 to > > beta and release [1], meaning we would be

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2021-02-10 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:37 AM Valentin Gosu wrote: > FTP support is currently disabled on Nightly. > Our current plan is for the pref flip to ride the trains with Firefox 88 to > beta and release [1], meaning we would be disabling FTP a week after Chrome > [2] Are we also stopping advertising

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2021-02-10 Thread Valentin Gosu
Hi everyone, FTP support is currently disabled on Nightly. Our current plan is for the pref flip to ride the trains with Firefox 88 to beta and release [1], meaning we would be disabling FTP a week after Chrome [2] Firefox 89 is supposed to remove the FTP code completely [3] [1] https://bugzilla.

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2020-04-27 Thread Michal Novotny
SFTP was never supported by Firefox. On 4/27/20 12:59 PM, nikunjbhat...@gmail.com wrote: There is no information about sFTP in this page. Will sFTP work in Firefox? Or all FTP related functionality will be removed? Will users be able to list files and directories in Firefox from sFTP server?

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2020-04-27 Thread nikunjbhatt84
There is no information about sFTP in this page. Will sFTP work in Firefox? Or all FTP related functionality will be removed? Will users be able to list files and directories in Firefox from sFTP server? On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 5:54:50 AM UTC+5:30, Michal Novotny wrote: > We plan to remov

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2020-03-24 Thread ValdikSS via dev-platform
Just a random Joe here, but I'd like to vote *against removing FTP support*. FTP is still widely used, its easy to configure and to use file transfer protocol. Despite its age, there still aren't really any proper full-featured and well-supported alternatives for FTP, one of the reason is becaus

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2020-03-24 Thread Nhi Nguyen
Update: In light of recent events, we will only disable FTP in Nightly, starting from 77. FTP will remain enabled in release until further notice. On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 7:01 AM Michal Novotny wrote: > We added the telemetry probes in bug 1579507 [1] to see how many users > still use FTP. The u

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2020-03-19 Thread Michal Novotny
We added the telemetry probes in bug 1579507 [1] to see how many users still use FTP. The usage was pretty low as you can see in bug 1570155 [2]. [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1579507 [2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1570155#c5 On 3/19/20 10:26 AM, Johann Hof

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2020-03-19 Thread Cameron McCormack
If you plan to time the unshipping of our FTP support to be after Chrome 81, then please be aware that Chrome releases are currently paused on Chrome 80. https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2020/03/upcoming-chrome-and-chrome-os-releases.html On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 8:56 PM, Michal Novotny wro

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2020-03-19 Thread Michal Novotny
Yes, it's OS specific, so it depends on what application is registered to handle FTP URI. On 3/19/20 10:29 AM, David Teller wrote: Out of curiosity, what external application? OS-specific? On 19/03/2020 01:24, Michal Novotny wrote: We plan to remove FTP protocol implementation from our code.

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2020-03-19 Thread Romain Testard
Would it make sense to ship after Chrome to help ensure this does not lead to churn? Also at a time people try to find ways to work from home and share files (spike of usage in Firefox send), potentially breaking ways people have to share files may not be good timing? On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 10:42

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2020-03-19 Thread Michal Novotny
According to [1], it will be turned off for all users in 81. In 80 it will be turned off for 1% of users. [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JUra5HnsbR_xmtQctkb2iVxRPuhPWhMB5M_zpbuGxTY/edit#heading=h.a4pkgy626xf3 On 3/19/20 9:02 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:24 AM

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2020-03-19 Thread Frederik Braun
> We're doing this for security reasons. FTP is an insecure protocol and > there are no reasons to prefer it over HTTPS for downloading resources. > Also, a part of the FTP code is very old, unsafe and hard to maintain > and we found a lot of security bugs in it in the past. I know this used to b

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2020-03-19 Thread Frederik Braun
AFAIU chrome removed all web-observable/web-exposed bits of FTP (e.g., navigations, subresources etc.)but still allows top-level navigations from the user. Am 19.03.20 um 09:02 schrieb Henri Sivonen: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:24 AM Michal Novotny > wrote: >> We plan to remove FTP protocol imp

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2020-03-19 Thread David Teller
Out of curiosity, what external application? OS-specific? On 19/03/2020 01:24, Michal Novotny wrote: > We plan to remove FTP protocol implementation from our code. This work > is tracked in bug 1574475 [1]. The plan is to > > - place FTP behind a pref and turn it off by default on 77 [2] > - keep

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2020-03-19 Thread Johann Hofmann
Can you share some insight into the usage telemetry that was considered for unshipping this? On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 9:02 AM Henri Sivonen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:24 AM Michal Novotny > wrote: > > We plan to remove FTP protocol implementation from our code. > > Chrome's status dashbo

Re: Intent to unship: FTP protocol implementation

2020-03-19 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:24 AM Michal Novotny wrote: > We plan to remove FTP protocol implementation from our code. Chrome's status dashboard says "deprecated" and https://textslashplain.com/2019/11/04/bye-ftp-support-is-going-away/ said the plan was to turn FTP off by default in version 80. Yet