Re: Intent to remove: support for old drag events

2015-06-09 Thread Chris Peterson
On 6/9/15 10:21 PM, Karl Dubost wrote: Jonas, Le 10 juin 2015 à 13:44, Jonas Sicking a écrit : But do we have any data that this won't break websites? nope. But at first sight, it doesn't seem used at all. https://github.com/search?q=draggesture&type=Issues&utf8=%E2%9C%93 And most of the JS

Re: Intent to remove: support for old drag events

2015-06-09 Thread Karl Dubost
Jonas, Le 10 juin 2015 à 13:44, Jonas Sicking a écrit : > But do we have any data that this won't break websites? nope. But at first sight, it doesn't seem used at all. https://github.com/search?q=draggesture&type=Issues&utf8=%E2%9C%93 And most of the JS code is also quite unrelated or from boo

Re: Intent to remove: support for old drag events

2015-06-09 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: > On 2015-06-09 10:17 AM, Neil Deakin wrote: >> >> In bug 1162050, we'd like to remove support for the old non-standard >> drag events, which were left in for a period of compatibility. > > This is great! I agree it's great if we can remove t

Re: The War on Warnings

2015-06-09 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2015-06-09 8:33 AM, Robert O'Callahan wrote: Does anyone know of a case where we had a regression that traded one assertion for another? I don't. I don't either. Which is why I believe that David's point, while being perfectly valid in theory, doesn't matter a lot in practice. Also, you

Re: Intent to remove: support for old drag events

2015-06-09 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2015-06-09 10:17 AM, Neil Deakin wrote: In bug 1162050, we'd like to remove support for the old non-standard drag events, which were left in for a period of compatibility. This is great! As far as I know, these events have never been supported by another browser engine. Is that correct?

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 08:13:15PM -0700, Justin Dolske wrote: > On 6/9/15 7:09 PM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: > > >I cannot remember a single instance where I or someone who I know has > >used the number of votes on a bug as an input for making a decision, and > >that is for good reason, since the numb

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Wayne
On 6/9/2015 6:00 PM, Justin Dolske wrote: On 6/9/15 2:24 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: I vote for bugs as a polite (sneaky?) way to watch a bug's bugmail without spamming all the other CCs by adding myself to the bug's "real" CC list. I think if Bugzilla, with its long and complex history, ever h

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Byron Jones
Byron Jones wrote: this feature exists and is called "bug tagging". you'll need to enable it via the prefs page (it's disabled by default because the ux needs some love). https://www.bugzilla.org/docs/4.2/en/html/query.html#individual-buglists (section 5.5.5). i should add that the plan for t

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Justin Dolske
On 6/9/15 7:09 PM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: I cannot remember a single instance where I or someone who I know has used the number of votes on a bug as an input for making a decision, and that is for good reason, since the number of votes tell you nothing about how severe a problem actually is, and e

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Eric Shepherd (Sheppy)
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Mark Côté wrote: > To that end, I'd like to consider the voting feature. While it is > enabled on a quite a few products, anecdotally I have heard > many times that it isn't actually useful, that is, votes aren't really > being used to prioritize features & fixes.

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Byron Jones
Dale Harvey wrote: As a developer of a bugzilla client however I have see a major missing feature being the ability to favourite bugs in bugzilla., not to cc and get a baggage of email but somewhere you can keep check on a list of bugs you have an interest in, personally I make a meta bug and blo

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2015-06-09 5:09 PM, Mark Côté wrote: In a quest to simplify both the interface and the maintenance of bugzilla.mozilla.org, we're looking for features that are of questionable value to see if we can get rid of them. As I'm sure everyone knows, Bugzilla grew organically, without much of a road

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Mark Côté
On 2015-06-09 6:00 PM, Justin Dolske wrote: > That said, there are much bigger issues with Bugzilla's UI, and removing > voting is probably the smallest possible improvement. But it's probably > easy to just disable it for a while, and see what happens? Indeed, it's a minor thing. Consider it a t

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Dale Harvey
I have seen voting being recommended as alternative to +1's which is a plus, we have never used them to prioritise although not sure our area of bugs is popular enough to be using votes in that way. As a developer of a bugzilla client however I have see a major missing feature being the ability to

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Joshua Cranmer 🐧
On 6/9/2015 4:09 PM, Mark Côté wrote: To that end, I'd like to consider the voting feature. While it is enabled on a quite a few products, anecdotally I have heard many times that it isn't actually useful, that is, votes aren't really being used to prioritize features & fixes. If your team uses

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Dave Camp
We don't use bugzilla votes as a strong signal for prioritization on devtools. We do actually keep an eye on votes in some other channels ( ffdevtools.uservoice.com), but I don't think anyone on devtools would object strongly to votes going away in bugzilla. -dave On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:48 PM

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Axel Hecht
I recall that at least one group actively uses votes to prioritize stuff. I can't really tell which one, I'm leaning towards devtools, but I don't have any data to back that up. I mostly remember because I was surprised. Also, for a component like devtools, I can see how it'd make sense. Axe

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread R Kent James
On 6/9/2015 2:09 PM, Mark Côté wrote: If your team uses voting, I'd like to talk about your use case and see if, in general, it makes sense to continue to support this feature. Thanks, Mark I've always considered voting as an important feature for Thunderbird bugs. Yes it is not a statistica

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Mark Côté
On 2015-06-09 5:24 PM, Xidorn Quan wrote: > On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Mark Côté wrote: > >> In a quest to simplify both the interface and the maintenance of >> bugzilla.mozilla.org, we're looking for features that are of >> questionable value to see if we can get rid of them. As I'm sure

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Adam Roach
On 6/9/15 17:00, Justin Dolske wrote: On 6/9/15 2:24 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: I vote for bugs as a polite (sneaky?) way to watch a bug's bugmail without spamming all the other CCs by adding myself to the bug's "real" CC list. I think if Bugzilla, with its long and complex history, ever has a

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Mark Côté
On 2015-06-09 5:39 PM, Sören Hentzschel wrote: > On 09.06.15 23:24, Chris Peterson wrote: >> I vote for bugs as a polite (sneaky?) way to watch a bug's bugmail >> without spamming all the other CCs by adding myself to the bug's "real" >> CC list. > > Same here. Removing the voting feature means th

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Justin Dolske
On 6/9/15 2:24 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: I vote for bugs as a polite (sneaky?) way to watch a bug's bugmail without spamming all the other CCs by adding myself to the bug's "real" CC list. I think if Bugzilla, with its long and complex history, ever has a hope of being untangled into somethin

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Sören Hentzschel
On 09.06.15 23:24, Chris Peterson wrote: I vote for bugs as a polite (sneaky?) way to watch a bug's bugmail without spamming all the other CCs by adding myself to the bug's "real" CC list. Same here. Removing the voting feature means that I will cause a lot of email spam in the future. :) I ha

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Jason Duell
I've never seen votes make a real difference in the 6 years I've been around on Bugzilla. The one use case I can think for keeping them is as an "escape valve" for user frustration on old, long-standing bugs like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41489 I.e. when people start griping

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Xidorn Quan
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Mark Côté wrote: > In a quest to simplify both the interface and the maintenance of > bugzilla.mozilla.org, we're looking for features that are of > questionable value to see if we can get rid of them. As I'm sure > everyone knows, Bugzilla grew organically, with

Re: Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Chris Peterson
On 6/9/15 2:09 PM, Mark Côté wrote: In a quest to simplify both the interface and the maintenance of bugzilla.mozilla.org, we're looking for features that are of questionable value to see if we can get rid of them. As I'm sure everyone knows, Bugzilla grew organically, without much of a road map

Voting in BMO

2015-06-09 Thread Mark Côté
In a quest to simplify both the interface and the maintenance of bugzilla.mozilla.org, we're looking for features that are of questionable value to see if we can get rid of them. As I'm sure everyone knows, Bugzilla grew organically, without much of a road map, over a long time, and it experienced

Re: Why are video downloader add-ons so popular?

2015-06-09 Thread Bill McCloskey
Having looked at a couple of these add-ons, the code is usually pretty site-specific. They often have a script that gets loaded for each different video site: YouTube, Vimeo, Daily Motion, etc. A lot of times these scripts muck with the URL and do other stuff that probably needs to be updated frequ

Re: MemShrink Meeting - Today, 9 June 2015 at 4:00PM PDT

2015-06-09 Thread Jet Villegas
We don't record the meeting proceedings, but we do document the triage discussion on an etherpad: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/memshrinktriage You're welcome to see the bugs in review, vote them up, suggest fixes, etc. even if you can't attend. --Jet On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Avik Pal

Re: MemShrink Meeting - Today, 9 June 2015 at 4:00PM PDT

2015-06-09 Thread Avik Pal
Hey Jet, Is there any recording of the meeting that you can share on air mozilla? Thanks and regards, Avik Pal @avikpalme On 9 June 2015 at 23:03, Jet Villegas wrote: > Today's MemShrink meeting is brought to you by memory reporting for layout > style structs: > https://bugzilla.mozilla.o

MemShrink Meeting - Today, 9 June 2015 at 4:00PM PDT

2015-06-09 Thread Jet Villegas
Today's MemShrink meeting is brought to you by memory reporting for layout style structs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1168299 The wiki page for this meeting is at: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance/MemShrink Agenda: * Prioritize unprioritized MemShrink bugs. * Discuss how w

Re: Intent to remove: support for old drag events

2015-06-09 Thread smaug
On 06/09/2015 05:17 PM, Neil Deakin wrote: In bug 1162050, we'd like to remove support for the old non-standard drag events, which were left in for a period of compatibility. yes please. Anything we can do to simplify dnd code is good. -Olli The 'draggesture' event should be replaced with

Intent to remove: support for old drag events

2015-06-09 Thread Neil Deakin
In bug 1162050, we'd like to remove support for the old non-standard drag events, which were left in for a period of compatibility. The 'draggesture' event should be replaced with the 'dragstart' event (such as ondragstart) The 'dragdrop' event should be replaced with the 'drop' event. If you

Re: The War on Warnings

2015-06-09 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Ryan VanderMeulen wrote: > On 6/9/2015 8:33 AM, Robert O'Callahan wrote: > >> Does anyone know of a case where we had a regression that traded one >> assertion for another? I don't. > > >> How would we have found out? :) Detecting the regression some other way

Re: The War on Warnings

2015-06-09 Thread Ryan VanderMeulen
On 6/9/2015 8:33 AM, Robert O'Callahan wrote: Does anyone know of a case where we had a regression that traded one assertion for another? I don't. Rob How would we have found out? :) ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https:

Re: The War on Warnings

2015-06-09 Thread Robert O'Callahan
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Re: nsIAboutModule::URI_SAFE_FOR_UNTRUSTED_CONTENT and add-on chrome

2015-06-09 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
On 09/06/2015 13:12, Neil wrote: Boris Zbarsky wrote: That said, it's pretty weird to me that we're exposing the entirety of chrome://browser like that. Seems like we should scope it down. You could move the relevant files (presumably the CSS for those about: pages) into a different package.

Re: nsIAboutModule::URI_SAFE_FOR_UNTRUSTED_CONTENT and add-on chrome

2015-06-09 Thread Neil
Boris Zbarsky wrote: That said, it's pretty weird to me that we're exposing the entirety of chrome://browser like that. Seems like we should scope it down. You could move the relevant files (presumably the CSS for those about: pages) into a different package. (Thunderbird did that with its

Re: The War on Warnings

2015-06-09 Thread David Rajchenbach-Teller
In my books, that's pretty footgunish. On 09/06/15 04:04, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > You can specify an exact number or a range. > > But you're right that you can't specify the assertion text involved... > > -Boris > ___ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-p