Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Philip Chee
On 22/10/2013 01:14, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: > Note that we also use this to support 32-bit plugins, so our target > audience is not just 10.6 users. I thought we recently removed 32-bit plugin support on OS X. Phil -- Philip Chee , http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard

Re: Increase in memory utilization on Mac OSX 10.7+ due to history swipe animations

2013-10-21 Thread Stephen Pohl
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Nicholas Nethercote wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Stephen Pohl wrote: >> We are now (finally) getting ready to turn on history swipe animations >> (bug 860493). There have been two major changes since sending out the >> email below earlier in the ye

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Hubert Figuière
On 21/10/13 07:27 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: > AFAIK, running 10.7+ in 32-bit mode is something you have to do manually > at boot time. I guess nobody does that except for testing purpose. Also, > afaik 10.7+ doesn't support 32-bit-only mac hardware. You are confusing the kernel vs the userland. If th

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Hubert Figuière
On 21/10/13 07:07 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: > On 10/21/13 3:28 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: >> Note OS X 10.6 runs in 32-bit mode*by default*, even on *64-bit >> capable* hardware. That's the whole problem. There are only a few >> Macbook models that aren't 64-bit capable. There are much more OSX >> inst

Re: Overriding content window methods with chrome functions

2013-10-21 Thread Mark Hammond
On 22/10/2013 2:57 AM, Matthew Gertner wrote: On Monday, October 21, 2013 5:45:44 PM UTC+2, Neil wrote: Well, you could turn of that error; it's just a pref. Of course you would then decide whether to trap all the other DOMWindowClosing events to stop other random scripts from closing windows.

Re: Increase in memory utilization on Mac OSX 10.7+ due to history swipe animations

2013-10-21 Thread Nicholas Nethercote
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Stephen Pohl wrote: > > We are now (finally) getting ready to turn on history swipe animations > (bug 860493). There have been two major changes since sending out the > email below earlier in the year: > 1. We will only store snapshots for the 5 most recent pages,

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:07:33PM -0700, Chris Peterson wrote: > On 10/21/13 3:28 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: > >Note OS X 10.6 runs in 32-bit mode*by default*, even on *64-bit > >capable* hardware. That's the whole problem. There are only a few > >Macbook models that aren't 64-bit capable. There are m

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Chris Peterson
On 10/21/13 3:28 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: Note OS X 10.6 runs in 32-bit mode*by default*, even on *64-bit capable* hardware. That's the whole problem. There are only a few Macbook models that aren't 64-bit capable. There are much more OSX installs that run in 32-bit mode. But the "boat anchor" is

Proposed W3C Charter: Web Application Security Working Group

2013-10-21 Thread L. David Baron
I managed not to send this out for review until right before the deadline, but there's a new charter proposal for the Web Application Security working group: http://www.w3.org/2013/07/webappsec-charter.html which replaces the previous charter http://www.w3.org/2011/08/appsecwg-charter.html and

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 08:24:15AM -0700, Nathan Froyd wrote: > How long do we intend to continue shipping a 32-bit Firefox binary on > OS X? As I understand it, we're doing this solely for our OS X 10.6 > users, as they are the only ones potentially running OS X on > non-64-bit capable machines.

Re: Faster builds, now ; on windows, too.

2013-10-21 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
I tend to use something like ./mach build browser/base browser/components browser/themes browser/locales browser/devtools (obviously including only the directories where I changed stuff) Which is fast and works. ~ Gijs On 21/10/13 23:47 , David Rajchenbach-Teller wrote: Wouldn't it be inte

Re: Faster builds, now ; on windows, too.

2013-10-21 Thread Gregory Szorc
On the Q4 goals list. Bug 929147. On 10/21/2013 2:47 PM, David Rajchenbach-Teller wrote: > Wouldn't it be interesting to also have a > ./mach build frontend > that repackages XUL and js code? > > > On 10/21/13 6:53 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote: >>> So what's the difference between |./mach build| an

FINAL_TARGET now in moz.build

2013-10-21 Thread Joshua Cranmer 🐧
This is a friendly public service announcement about major moz.build migrations. On mozilla-inbound, and shortly to be found on mozilla-central barring backout, the variables FINAL_TARGET, XPI_NAME, and DIST_SUBDIR have all been moved from Makefiles to moz.build definitions. Due to the presence

Re: Faster builds, now ; on windows, too.

2013-10-21 Thread David Rajchenbach-Teller
Wouldn't it be interesting to also have a ./mach build frontend that repackages XUL and js code? On 10/21/13 6:53 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote: >> So what's the difference between |./mach build| and |./mach build binaries|? >> would such difference exist also after updating mozillabuild with the ne

Re: Studying Lossy Image Compression Efficiency

2013-10-21 Thread battlebottle8
On Monday, October 21, 2013 4:05:36 PM UTC+1, tric...@accusoft.com wrote: > There is probably a good study by the EPFL from, IIRC, 2011, published at the > SPIE, Applications of Digital Image Processing, and many many others. > > Outcome is more or less that JPEG 2000 and JPEG XR are on par for a

Re: DOM DOM DOM Bindings Meeting - Monday (today) @ 12:30 PM PDT

2013-10-21 Thread Andrew McCreight
Correction: we're going to use Boris Zbarsky's room for the meeting, out of habit, even though he won't be there. Andrew - Original Message - > Our (nominally) weekly DOM bindings meetings continue on Monday Oct 21 at > 12:30 PM PDT. > > Meeting details: > > * Monday, October 21, 2013,

Re: Increase in memory utilization on Mac OSX 10.7+ due to history swipe animations

2013-10-21 Thread Stephen Pohl
Hi, We are now (finally) getting ready to turn on history swipe animations (bug 860493). There have been two major changes since sending out the email below earlier in the year: 1. We will only store snapshots for the 5 most recent pages, instead of 20. 2. Bug 817700 has landed, which gives us asy

DOM DOM DOM Bindings Meeting - Monday (today) @ 12:30 PM PDT

2013-10-21 Thread Andrew McCreight
Our (nominally) weekly DOM bindings meetings continue on Monday Oct 21 at 12:30 PM PDT. Meeting details: * Monday, October 21, 2013, 12:30 PM PDT (3:30 PM EDT/9:30 PM CEST) * Dial-in Info: - Vidyo room: MTV-3V Very Good Very Mighty I'm not sure if any of the below info is accurate or not. If

Reminder: Nightly 27 uplift in T-7 days

2013-10-21 Thread Chris Peterson
This is a friendly reminder that the next channel merge date is only 7 days away! So land those important bug fixes this week and hold your destablizing or less important changes until next week. :) cpeterson ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platfor

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
Note that we also use this to support 32-bit plugins, so our target audience is not just 10.6 users. Cheers, Ehsan On 2013-10-21 11:24 AM, Nathan Froyd wrote: [Not sure if this is strictly dev-platform material; dev-planning might have been more appropriate in some respects.] Our Firefox bui

Re: Faster builds, now ; on windows, too.

2013-10-21 Thread Gregory Szorc
On 10/21/2013 9:47 AM, Avi Hal wrote: > On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:43:03 PM UTC+3, Mike Hommey wrote: > ... >> - Build with: >> >> ./mach build >> >> >> After you built once, you can do edit-compile-edit-compile cycles with: >> >> ./mach build binaries > > > So what's the difference

Re: Faster builds, now ; on windows, too.

2013-10-21 Thread Avi Hal
On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:43:03 PM UTC+3, Mike Hommey wrote: ... > - Build with: > > ./mach build > > > After you built once, you can do edit-compile-edit-compile cycles with: > > ./mach build binaries So what's the difference between |./mach build| and |./mach build binaries|?

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
On 21/10/13 17:24 , Nathan Froyd wrote: [Not sure if this is strictly dev-platform material; dev-planning might have been more appropriate in some respects.] Our Firefox builds for OS X currently build a 32-bit version, a 64-bit version, and then squash those together to produce a universal bi

Re: Overriding content window methods with chrome functions

2013-10-21 Thread Matthew Gertner
On Monday, October 21, 2013 5:45:44 PM UTC+2, Neil wrote: > Well, you could turn of that error; it's just a pref. Of course you > would then decide whether to trap all the other DOMWindowClosing events > to stop other random scripts from closing windows. > > Alternatively, you could maybe lookin

Re: Overriding content window methods with chrome functions

2013-10-21 Thread Neil
Matthew Gertner wrote: FYI I load the content into a popup and I want it to be able to close the popup. So the real chrome function looks like: contentWindow.wrappedJSObject.close = function() { chromeWindow.close(); }; But as I said, the default close() method seems to be called instead and

how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Nathan Froyd
[Not sure if this is strictly dev-platform material; dev-planning might have been more appropriate in some respects.] Our Firefox builds for OS X currently build a 32-bit version, a 64-bit version, and then squash those together to produce a universal binary that runs on 32-bit or 64-bit system

Re: Studying Lossy Image Compression Efficiency

2013-10-21 Thread trichter
> I think it would be worthwhile to do two experiments with real people > > evaluating the images: > > 1) For a given file size with artifacts visible, which format > > produces the least terrible artifacts? > > 2) Which format gives the smallest file size with a level of > > artifacts that

Re: Studying Lossy Image Compression Efficiency

2013-10-21 Thread trichter
> Are there now JPEG 2000 encoders that make images such that if you > > want to decode an image in quarter of the full-size in terms of number > > of pixels (both dimensions halved), it is sufficient to use the first > > quarter of the file length? Yes, certainly. Just a matter of the progres

Re: Studying Lossy Image Compression Efficiency

2013-10-21 Thread trichter
There are probably a couple of issues here: > - Why didn't you include JPEG 2000? This is the first one. However, I would also include various settings of the codecs involved. There is quite a bit one can do. For example, the overlap settings for XR or visual weighting for JPEG 2000, or subsamp

Re: Studying Lossy Image Compression Efficiency

2013-10-21 Thread Chris Adams
It's not as simple as reading n% of the bit-stream – the image needs to be encoded using tiles so a tile-aware decoder can simply read only the necessary levels. This is very popular in the library community because it allows a site like e.g. http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/ to serve tiles for a

Re: Overriding content window methods with chrome functions

2013-10-21 Thread Matthew Gertner
On Monday, October 21, 2013 4:40:08 PM UTC+2, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: > Uh, I hope you meant: > > window.wrappedJSObject.close = function() { ... }; > (ie, no braces after close[()]) Sorry, yes of course. I typed that quickly but obviously the real code doesn't have parentheses after the functio

Re: Overriding content window methods with chrome functions

2013-10-21 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
On 21/10/13 16:19 , Matthew Gertner wrote: I'm loading a page into a but I want the close() method to call a function defined in chrome. I tried the obvious: window.wrappedJSObject.close() = function() { ... }; However, the old close() method is still called (as far as I can tell). I guess I

Re: Overriding content window methods with chrome functions

2013-10-21 Thread Bobby Holley
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Matthew Gertner wrote: > I'm loading a page into a but I want the close() > method to call a function defined in chrome. I tried the obvious: > > window.wrappedJSObject.close() = function() { ... }; > > However, the old close() method is still called (as far as I

Overriding content window methods with chrome functions

2013-10-21 Thread Matthew Gertner
I'm loading a page into a but I want the close() method to call a function defined in chrome. I tried the obvious: window.wrappedJSObject.close() = function() { ... }; However, the old close() method is still called (as far as I can tell). I guess I'm being thwarted by some wrapper despite mod

Re: Studying Lossy Image Compression Efficiency

2013-10-21 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 5:16 PM, wrote: > I think JP2 support could potentially be very interesting because it would > make responsive images almost trivial without requiring separate files (i.e. > srcset could simply specify a byte-range for each size image) but the > toolchain support needs

Re: Studying Lossy Image Compression Efficiency

2013-10-21 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 1:08 AM, wrote: > Which leads to think that doing some blinded experiment (real people > evaluating the images) to compare compressed images has still some value. I think it would be worthwhile to do two experiments with real people evaluating the images: 1) For a given

Re: Studying Lossy Image Compression Efficiency

2013-10-21 Thread stephanepechard
> I have a couple of fundamental issues with how you're calculating 3 of the 4 > metrics (all but RGB-SSIM, which I didn't think too much about) You are right about it, methodology is not clear on this point. > First, am I correct in my reading of your methodology that for all metrics, > you en