Re: Increase in mozilla-inbound bustage due to people not using Try

2012-08-15 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:24:41PM -0700, Gregory Szorc wrote: > On 8/15/12 11:10 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: > >Something I noticed recently is that we spend more than 5 minutes (!) > >during windows clobber builds to do the clobber (rm -rf). All try builds > >are clobbers. A lot of time is wasted on m

Re: Increase in mozilla-inbound bustage due to people not using Try

2012-08-15 Thread Gregory Szorc
On 8/15/12 11:10 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: Something I noticed recently is that we spend more than 5 minutes (!) during windows clobber builds to do the clobber (rm -rf). All try builds are clobbers. A lot of time is wasted on mercurial cloning, too. What is interesting is that the corresponding ti

Re: Increase in mozilla-inbound bustage due to people not using Try

2012-08-15 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 09:16:04PM -0400, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: > On 12-08-15 6:17 PM, William Lachance wrote: > >On 08/14/2012 03:47 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote: > >>On 8/14/12 12:14 PM, Ed Morley wrote: > >>>On Thursday, 9 August 2012 15:35:28 UTC+1, Justin Lebar wrote: > Is there a plan to mitig

Re: Increase in mozilla-inbound bustage due to people not using Try

2012-08-15 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 12-08-15 9:18 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote: On 8/15/12 6:16 PM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: Honestly, the only big thing that we can probably fix to improve our end-to-end times is to enable using pymake on our Windows builders to do parallel builds. Developers on Windows have been using pymake to get p

Re: Increase in mozilla-inbound bustage due to people not using Try

2012-08-15 Thread Gregory Szorc
On 8/15/12 6:16 PM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: Honestly, the only big thing that we can probably fix to improve our end-to-end times is to enable using pymake on our Windows builders to do parallel builds. Developers on Windows have been using pymake to get parallel builds for quite a while now, and s

Re: Increase in mozilla-inbound bustage due to people not using Try

2012-08-15 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 12-08-15 6:17 PM, William Lachance wrote: On 08/14/2012 03:47 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote: On 8/14/12 12:14 PM, Ed Morley wrote: On Thursday, 9 August 2012 15:35:28 UTC+1, Justin Lebar wrote: Is there a plan to mitigate the coalescing on m-i? It seems like that is a big part of the problem.

Re: Increase in mozilla-inbound bustage due to people not using Try

2012-08-15 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 12-08-15 6:10 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote: On 8/15/12 2:52 AM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote: Is there a tracking bug for areas where we could gain efficiency? We all know the build phase is full of clownshoes. But, I believe we also do silly things l

Building Firefox Faster

2012-08-15 Thread Gregory Szorc
I have published an experimental patch for building mozilla-central faster! Details are at [1]. If you are feeling brave, please give it a shot and report your experiences. I am using this as part of my day-to-day development, so you don't need to be too brave ;) [1] http://gregoryszorc.com

Re: build platform for fennec builds changing soon

2012-08-15 Thread Chris AtLee
All the gory details in bug 773120 [1]. Cheers, Chris [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773120 Sorry, this should be https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775620 ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https

Re: telemetry data retention strategy

2012-08-15 Thread Dave Mandelin
On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:03:38 PM UTC-7, Taras Glek wrote: > Hi, > > According to metrics we have about 1TB of telemetry data in hadoop. This > is almost a year worth of telemetry data. Our telemetry ping packets > keep growing as we add more probes. As the hadoop database gets bigger, >

Re: Increase in mozilla-inbound bustage due to people not using Try

2012-08-15 Thread Gregory Szorc
On 8/15/12 3:17 PM, William Lachance wrote: In general I would be very careful before tackling any particular bug for the sake of improving our build/test times. If something is slow, but not on the critical path as far as build/test is concerned, fixing it will not result in any tangible improve

Re: Increase in mozilla-inbound bustage due to people not using Try

2012-08-15 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Justin Lebar wrote: >>> Is there a plan to mitigate the coalescing on m-i? It seems like that >>> is a big part of the problem. >> >> it's simply a case of demand exceeding capacity. > > Understood. > > But I think my question still stands: Is there a plan to add

Re: Increase in mozilla-inbound bustage due to people not using Try

2012-08-15 Thread William Lachance
On 08/14/2012 03:47 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote: On 8/14/12 12:14 PM, Ed Morley wrote: On Thursday, 9 August 2012 15:35:28 UTC+1, Justin Lebar wrote: Is there a plan to mitigate the coalescing on m-i? It seems like that is a big part of the problem. Reducing the amount of coalescing permitted w

Re: Increase in mozilla-inbound bustage due to people not using Try

2012-08-15 Thread Gregory Szorc
On 8/15/12 2:52 AM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote: Is there a tracking bug for areas where we could gain efficiency? We all know the build phase is full of clownshoes. But, I believe we also do silly things like execute some tests serially, only takin

Re: XUL Runner, and the future.

2012-08-15 Thread Dave Townsend
On 08/15/12 12:41, Ben Hearsum wrote: On 08/15/12 02:57 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: XULRunner is currently an unsupported piece of software, we don't run tests for it, and we *barely* ensure it still builds. I don't think this is true. It's not tier1, but we ship it with every release and

Re: telemetry data retention strategy

2012-08-15 Thread Taras Glek
On 8/15/2012 2:42 PM, Benjamin Smedberg wrote: On 8/15/2012 5:03 PM, Taras Glek wrote: Hi, According to metrics we have about 1TB of telemetry data in hadoop. This is almost a year worth of telemetry data. Our telemetry ping packets keep growing as we add more probes. As the hadoop database gets

Re: telemetry data retention strategy

2012-08-15 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
On 8/15/2012 5:03 PM, Taras Glek wrote: Hi, According to metrics we have about 1TB of telemetry data in hadoop. This is almost a year worth of telemetry data. Our telemetry ping packets keep growing as we add more probes. As the hadoop database gets bigger, query times get worse, etc. We need

telemetry data retention strategy

2012-08-15 Thread Taras Glek
Hi, According to metrics we have about 1TB of telemetry data in hadoop. This is almost a year worth of telemetry data. Our telemetry ping packets keep growing as we add more probes. As the hadoop database gets bigger, query times get worse, etc. We need to decide on what data we can throw away

build platform for fennec builds changing soon

2012-08-15 Thread Chris AtLee
Hi, In the next day or so we're going to be changing the machines we're using to do most of our fennec builds. This *should* be a no-op in terms of functionality of the builds; we're using the same SDKs as before. The new builds will be happening on slaves called 'bld-centos6-hp-XXX' or 'bld-

Re: XUL Runner, and the future.

2012-08-15 Thread Ben Hearsum
On 08/15/12 02:57 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: > XULRunner is currently an unsupported piece of software, we don't run > tests for it, and we *barely* ensure it still builds. I don't think this is true. It's not tier1, but we ship it with every release and beta. However, I'd be surprised if the

Re: XUL Runner, and the future.

2012-08-15 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
andreas.pals...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I am curious if XUL Runner has an End-Of-Life policy? Or is it intimately connected with Firefox, i.e. as long as there is Firefox releases based on XUL there will be XUL Runner available too? The reason I ask if because I am trying to "standardize" it with

Re: Preliminary results of aliasing Webkit CSS properties in Gecko analysis

2012-08-15 Thread Lawrence Mandel
Cross posting to dev-planning to ensure that the planning audience sees these preliminary results. Please post and responses to dev-platform. - Original Message - > The Layout, QA, and Market Insight teams recently analyzed the impact > of aliasing Webkit CSS properties in Gecko with the

Re: quick! use lisp! before it's too late!

2012-08-15 Thread Tim
On Wednesday, 15 August 2012 13:46:59 UTC+12, pedb...@gmail.com wrote: > Linus Torvalds flamed C++. > > - http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/57918 > > > > Paul Graham said his company moved faster than its competition, because his > company used Lisp. > > - http://www.pa

Re: quick! use lisp! before it's too late!

2012-08-15 Thread Joshua Cranmer
On 8/14/2012 9:46 PM, pedbe...@gmail.com wrote: Linus Torvalds flamed C++. - http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/57918 Paul Graham said his company moved faster than its competition, because his company used Lisp. - http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html Design Patterns are sol

Re: Increase in mozilla-inbound bustage due to people not using Try

2012-08-15 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote: > Is there a tracking bug for areas where we could gain efficiency? We all > know the build phase is full of clownshoes. But, I believe we also do silly > things like execute some tests serially, only taking advantage of 1/N CPU > cores in the