Re: Assuring Security by testing

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Manico
> if I got you and Jim correctly, the free service provided by Coverity is almost worthless because the positive to false positive rate is awfully bad? > From your point of view this tool isn't worth 50 k$? Tool being worth 50k? I don't think so. A group a trained humans can do it much cheaper

Re: Assuring Security by testing

2008-05-01 Thread Michael Osipov
Mark Thomas wrote: Jim Manico wrote: The Fortify Opensource project automatically scans the Tomcat codebase on a regular basis. This probably only gives you 10% security coverage at best, but it's a free report form a $50k tool. http://opensource.fortifysoftware.com A great example of why

Re: Assuring Security by testing

2008-04-30 Thread Jim Manico
Mark, I agree with all of your comments 100%. If you really wanted to conduct an in-depth security analysis, the best bet is to hire a dedicated application security company to conduct a targeted code review. Most automated application security tools are crap. But for the sake of academic r

Re: Assuring Security by testing

2008-04-30 Thread Mark Thomas
Jim Manico wrote: The Fortify Opensource project automatically scans the Tomcat codebase on a regular basis. This probably only gives you 10% security coverage at best, but it's a free report form a $50k tool. http://opensource.fortifysoftware.com A great example of why I have don't have m

Re: Assuring Security by testing

2008-04-30 Thread Jim Manico
The Fortify Opensource project automatically scans the Tomcat codebase on a regular basis. This probably only gives you 10% security coverage at best, but it's a free report form a $50k tool. http://opensource.fortifysoftware.com Hi devs, I've been investigating Apache Tomcat within my Bach

Re: Assuring Security by testing

2008-04-30 Thread Mark Thomas
Michael Osipov wrote: Mark Thomas wrote: We do occasionally receive reports to the security team that provide outputs from various security testing tools. In short, the output is nearly always complete garbage. For example, on one occasion a handful of XSS issues were reported all of which wer

Re: Assuring Security by testing

2008-04-30 Thread Michael Osipov
Mark Thomas wrote: Michael Osipov wrote: Security advisories are taken up by a security team [3]. Does this team or any other group/person take any measures to assure security with testing tools, with a special test plan or functional requirements? Hello Mark, I did not expect such a quick an

Re: Assuring Security by testing

2008-04-30 Thread Mark Thomas
Michael Osipov wrote: Security advisories are taken up by a security team [3]. Does this team or any other group/person take any measures to assure security with testing tools, with a special test plan or functional requirements? We do occasionally receive reports to the security team that prov