BTW, any way of choosing
OS that do not fit this
generic path is braindead:
1. What I want to do?
2. Pick appropriate tool.
3. Pick (OS) that supports
that tool.
4. Pick (hardware) supported
by (OS).
...
Any deviation from this
path results in less than
optimal outcome.
regards,
- Jakub
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:33 -0700, "Michael Farnbach"
wrote:
> As with most answers, this one depends on a few things...
>
>3. You can run the answers for #2 for this, or the full distros that
>they
>come from in a minimal mode. But for "stay out of the way" while
>running the
>
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 09:55:30AM -0700, Michael Farnbach wrote:
> Still I hope it was useful. Let me know how your search works out.
Let him know *off* the list.
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University of Toronto
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On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:30 AM, Michael Farnbach
> wrote:
>
> > Except in this thread, because, well, the original post was inviting a
> > distro war, wasn't it?
>
> It wasn't. Asking for feedback isn't asking for a troll. Some may forgo
Hey,
Unfortunately asking for an opinion from this mailing list is
equivalent to tossing grenades amidst a flock of gulls.
Honestly I just use Debian.
Shock horror.
Use what you want 'cause a Linux is free...
On 17 February 2011 13:44, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> Also, who the hell talks about compu
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Emmanuel Benisty wrote:
> Just to answer OP's question, CRUX is what you want. Minimalism at its
> best, easy packaging, clean and elegant design, simple and powerful.
> Don't believe others, I'm right.
crux is probably the best one mentioned so far. Assuming you
I've found Crunchbang (the minimal one) being stable and light
enough for a netbook.
My build was based on Ubuntu, but it's stripped enough and you
can of course strip it more. I opted for the Openbox wm (not so
hardcore) because the keyboard on my netbook (Dell mini 9)
is crippled, especially mo
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:22 AM, John Matthewman wrote:
> On 2/17/11, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>
>> Funny how people can't answer to simple feedback these days. I was
>> looking for experience sharing but it seems this ml was the wrong
>> place.
>>
>> - benoît
>
> Ask a stupid question, get a .
On 2/17/11, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> Funny how people can't answer to simple feedback these days. I was
> looking for experience sharing but it seems this ml was the wrong
> place.
>
> - benoît
Ask a stupid question, get a . (I'll let you fill in the blank!)
But even if you were asking your
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Emmanuel Benisty wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>> What would you choose for a really minimal OS?
>
> Just to answer OP's question, CRUX is what you want. Minimalism at its
> best, easy packaging, clean and elegant design, simple
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> What would you choose for a really minimal OS?
Just to answer OP's question, CRUX is what you want. Minimalism at its
best, easy packaging, clean and elegant design, simple and powerful.
Don't believe others, I'm right.
Kurt is the new Uriel.
I, for one, welcome our new resident troll.
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:30 AM, Michael Farnbach
wrote:
> Except in this thread, because, well, the original post was inviting a
> distro war, wasn't it?
It wasn't. Asking for feedback isn't asking for a troll. Some may forgot that.
- benoît.
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Michael Farnbach
> wrote:
>> One of the first things I learned many years ago watching the flame wars
>> on Slashdot is that there are two types of people...(roughly)
>
> 1) Those who don't invalidate other p
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Michael Farnbach
wrote:
> One of the first things I learned many years ago watching the flame wars
> on Slashdot is that there are two types of people...(roughly)
1) Those who don't invalidate other people's opinons based on presentation
2) You.
--
# Kurt H Mai
One of the first things I learned many years ago watching the flame wars
on Slashdot is that there are two types of people...(roughly)
1) People who learn to love things for what they can do, and appreciate them
for what they are. These people tend to write nice things, that help do what
they alre
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Antoni Grzymala wrote:
> That's highly possible – I have limited lifetime though and having a
> comfortable work environment as I do now, I will probably never have
> the incentive to devote a substantial number of hours checking whether
> the hardware and the soft
Kurt H Maier dixit (2011-02-16, 19:48):
> >Also, suggesting that people run *bsd on some modern commodity
> >hardware (especially laptops) is totally unrealistic.
>
> That just tells me you have no experience or understanding regarding
> the matter. I run linux on my laptop... but mostly because
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Antoni Grzymala wrote:
> Why would I want to? I don't like Python. Still, by comparison to
> dpkg-reconfigure it's pretty sane. And it works.
"It's better than debian" is a weak endorsement
> Since it's a source-based distro obviously I'm calling packages
> somet
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:28:15 -0500
Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Antoni Grzymala wrote:
> > Gentoo has a good balance in not being overengineered like Debian
> > (dpkg-reconfigure and all that hell)
>
> bullshit, just look at emerge
>
> look at it
No, emerge is under-
Antoni Grzymala dixit (2011-02-17, 01:40):
> > if you want to see how this can be done correctly, look at freebsd
> > or openbsd, where software can be built -or- installed from
> > packages.
>
> I did look and I found an obscure mess of working or non-working
> makefiles. Somewhat akin to arch's
Kurt H Maier dixit (2011-02-16, 19:28):
> > Gentoo has a good balance in not being overengineered like Debian
> > (dpkg-reconfigure and all that hell)
>
> bullshit, just look at emerge
>
> look at it
Why would I want to? I don't like Python. Still, by comparison to
dpkg-reconfigure it's pretty
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Antoni Grzymala wrote:
> Gentoo has a good balance in not being overengineered like Debian
> (dpkg-reconfigure and all that hell)
bullshit, just look at emerge
look at it
> and having a decent quality
> package tree (unlike arch).
what package tree? where do
c...@wzff.de dixit (2011-02-17, 00:33):
> Excerpts from Claudiu Bucur's message of Fri Feb 11 22:35:31 +0100 2011:
> > gentoo is as minimal as you can get or as complex as you want. you compile
> > everything locally, with the help of the portage repository (even the
> > kernel). it has been my cl
>> gentoo is as minimal as you can get or as complex as you want. you compile
>> everything locally, with the help of the portage repository (even the
>> kernel). it has been my closest experience to what i imagine "linux from
>> scratch" would be like.
>>
>> also, the gentoo boards are the most ac
Excerpts from Claudiu Bucur's message of Fri Feb 11 22:35:31 +0100 2011:
> gentoo is as minimal as you can get or as complex as you want. you compile
> everything locally, with the help of the portage repository (even the
> kernel). it has been my closest experience to what i imagine "linux from
>
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Michael Farnbach
wrote:
> As with most answers, this one depends on a few things...
>
> Do you want it tiny for an alternative arch, like ARM?
> Do you want it tiny and fast, because it is running on something really old?
> Do you want it tiny and fast because you
As with most answers, this one depends on a few things...
1. Do you want it tiny for an alternative arch, like ARM?
2. Do you want it tiny and fast, because it is running on something
really old?
3. Do you want it tiny and fast because you are running something beefy
and common (i5
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Pierre Chapuis wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 09:06:38 +0100, Benoit Chesneau
> wrote:
>
>> Archlinux could be good, I used it in the past, but for sure I'm not
>> sure I want to use it again. Mostly due to some members of the french
>> community though. So it may b
I agree that nearly all package managers for linux distributions suck.
It's true that quite a lot of time is needed to understand portage. However,
portage is far more sophisticated than a lot of other package management
systems used by linux distributions. Still there is a lot which could be
simp
Gentoo was good enough in 2005. Since drobbins left it's a mess.
One more proof that "democracy" makes software development
inefficient...
--
catwell
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 02:03:37AM -0500, Ammar James wrote:
> Gentoo. All day, every day.
>
>
> P.S. - Kurt H Maier is a wise sage and speaks the truth (for the most part).
>
The same here.
Yeah, everything is crap. I just find Gentoo being the Lesser Evil;
"savedconfig" sucks, though.
--
P
Gentoo. All day, every day.
P.S. - Kurt H Maier is a wise sage and speaks the truth (for the most part).
The problem with gentoo and pretty much every other Linux distro is the
package manager. People need/want to install software, rather than
-zomg-optimize it. I used to work in an environment where Gentoo was
praised, myself being a Gentoo user at the time. Now I realize how much time
I've spent lea
> who couldn't change cursors because of gentoo's "optimizations"?
I thought the suckless people, of all, would've known about this. The
black cursor with the white outline moves faster on the screen, the
one Ubuntu uses - the kinda fat one, is obviously going to move more
slowly. So clearly, with
>where is that guy
>who couldn't change cursors because of gentoo's "optimizations"?
DIfferent cursors are not needed.
+1 to gentoo and funtoo.
Kurt H Maier :
> (...)
+1
I'm using FreeBSD.
On 11/02/2011 23:26, Kurt H Maier wrote:
gentoo is a pile of shit suitable only for children. where is that guy
who couldn't change cursors because of gentoo's "optimizations"? he
should chime in.
To which issues do you refer to in particular?
tinycore ships with lightweight Xvesa and a very simple packaging system.
You don't have to strip anything off, but you'll have to add all
clutter by yourself. The base system is about 10 megs, but you can add
packages fast.
I would like to have more suckless folks sticking around, anybody can
hel
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 09:06:38 +0100, Benoit Chesneau
wrote:
Archlinux could be good, I used it in the past, but for sure I'm not
sure I want to use it again. Mostly due to some members of the french
community though. So it may be a bad reason ..
Yep, bad reason :) Just stick mostly with the E
Hi,
Noone mentioned Slackware.
You can configure your system as minimal as you want it to.
Some supplied packages may have an old version (depending on your use),
but the slackbuilds.org supply pretty much anything you want. And you
can always compile what you need.
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Patrick Haller
<201009-suckl...@haller.ws> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 07:34:48PM +0100, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>>
>> What would you choose for a really minimal OS?
>
> arch linux, rolling binary releases reduce maintenance time.
>
> what do you want a minimal
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> in the end, it doesn't matter which one you run, because you are using
> wmii, and nothing will ever work correctly anyway. switch to a
> maintained window manager and then worry about which bloated pile of
> unreliable garbage you'd like t
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 07:34:48PM +0100, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>
> What would you choose for a really minimal OS?
arch linux, rolling binary releases reduce maintenance time.
what do you want a minimal os for?
Patrick
another alternative is 9vx
http://swtch.com/9vx/
and then tcere is the 9vx + Tiny Core linux distribution (Tvx)
http://tinycorelinux.com/forum/index.php?topic=6026.0
2011/2/12 Stanley Lieber :
>> I never had a computer that could run plan9 without a couple hundred
>> issues, so I still have
Thanks, Andrei. Will give it a look. I've only ever heard it spoke it
in passing. Guess I should give it a run, just to see.
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Andrei wrote:
> Hello Brandon,
> I believe CRUX did have some influence on Arch but the latter has nothing to
> do with CRUX. The differen
Hello Brandon,
I believe CRUX did have some influence on Arch but the latter has nothing to
do with CRUX. The difference consists in different package managers (pacman
vs pkgutils) although pacman is somewhat similar to CRUX's pkgutils,
ports-like package management, where one would download the s
Arch doesn't sign its packages, but I still use it, can't be bothered
switching to be honest.
Rob.
Wasn't CRUX the biggest influence on the creation of Arch? I could be
wrong. I haven't used it, though. What's the difference between it and
Arch? It's one of the distros one doesn't really hear much about, from
what I've seen.
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Andrei wrote:
> evening,
> I'd sugge
evening,
I'd suggest CRUX, http://crux.nu - It doesn't do any hand holding and it has
a simple package manager similar to BSD ports.
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:45 PM, v4hn wrote:
> evening,
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 04:35:31PM -0500, Claudiu Bucur wrote:
> > it [gentoo] has been my closest exp
evening,
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 04:35:31PM -0500, Claudiu Bucur wrote:
> it [gentoo] has been my closest experience to what
> i imagine "linux from scratch" would be like.
You should try Lunar (lunar-linux.org) or SourceMage (sourcemage.org) then.
Those systems _are_ LFS with a couple of bash sc
Thanks. Will give this a look. *salute*
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Stanley Lieber
wrote:
>> I never had a computer that could run plan9 without a couple hundred
>> issues, so I still haven't been able to take the time to learn it,
>
> In case anyone is interested, I've uploaded a couple of
AHhh HahahahHAHAHAHahaha
On 02/11/2011 05:26 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote:
well, as long as we're all just spouting crap
gentoo is a pile of shit suitable only for children. where is that guy
who couldn't change cursors because of gentoo's "optimizations"? he
should chime in.
archlinux is just gent
> I never had a computer that could run plan9 without a couple hundred
> issues, so I still haven't been able to take the time to learn it,
In case anyone is interested, I've uploaded a couple of pre-installed
Plan 9 qemu images here:
http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/qemu
-sl
On 02-11 17:26, Kurt H Maier wrote:
well, as long as we're all just spouting crap
I was wondering where Uriel is hiding from TT.
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I never had a computer that could run plan9 without a couple hundred
issues, so I still haven't been able to take the time to learn it,
unfortunately. I usually stick to Funtoo, Gentoo, or OpenBSD - if I'm
not using Windows 7 (I know, I know - this is the Suckless mailing
list ;D).
But that's me.
well, as long as we're all just spouting crap
gentoo is a pile of shit suitable only for children. where is that guy
who couldn't change cursors because of gentoo's "optimizations"? he
should chime in.
archlinux is just gentoo but less well maintained.
debian is a bloated monstrosity -- anyone
gentoo is as minimal as you can get or as complex as you want. you compile
everything locally, with the help of the portage repository (even the
kernel). it has been my closest experience to what i imagine "linux from
scratch" would be like.
also, the gentoo boards are the most active i have seen.
> About that is there any good resource to learn plan9 ?
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki
http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9
-sl
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Jacob Todd wrote:
> Just pick a unix and drawterm to a plan 9 box.
That what I want to do in coming days, having a minimal unix to do my
work and use remote resources. Just need to choose one :)
About that is there any good resource to learn plan9 ?
- benoit
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Claudiu Bucur wrote:
> i use wmii on both gentoo and ubuntu.
> gentoo is really good for my desktops, very good for optimizing everything
> ubuntu is quick for my netbooks (very quick boot time as well since 10.10)
hm. so gentoo is not good at optimizing everythin
i use wmii on both gentoo and ubuntu.
gentoo is really good for my desktops, very good for optimizing everything
(if you are into that).
ubuntu is quick for my netbooks (very quick boot time as well since 10.10)
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Jacob Todd wrote:
> Just pick a unix and drawterm
Just pick a unix and drawterm to a plan 9 box.
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Sean Howard wrote:
> I use OpenBSD. It can grow quickly if you want it to, and it can be
> run on a VAX if you want it to.
>
> What performance need do you have that makes OpenBSD not worth it?
>
> When I am going to be throwing a system together without OpenBSD th
I generally tend to go for Archlinux, because its pretty simple to set
up a very lightweight system right out of the box, and the rolling
release means that I never have to reinstall or deal with a huge
update. I've never had any stability issues with it personally, but
it does happen, particularl
Debian, every time. Now is a good time since they just released a new
"stable". Last stable I installed took 10MB of memory with a normal
non-gui boot, with bash loaded up and everything. Good enough for me.
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Sean Howard wrote:
> I use OpenBSD. It can grow quickly
I use OpenBSD. It can grow quickly if you want it to, and it can be
run on a VAX if you want it to.
What performance need do you have that makes OpenBSD not worth it?
When I am going to be throwing a system together without OpenBSD then
I tend to use Debian.
--Sean
On 11 February 2011 13:34, Be
Hi all,
I've started these days to use wmii on ubuntu, previously I was using
cwm on openbsd,but for some technical reason (smp, & performance need)
I need to choose another OS. I would like to use this weekend to
rethink my system and remove most of the tools i don't need but I'm
undecided. What
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