Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-26 Thread Yoshi Rokuko
> I have gtk+-2.16.1 from ~x86. I use the latest slackware release (12.2) even with slackware current you get gtk+2-2.14 or something so I wonder for what they need such a recent gtk version ... compiling webkit from svn doesn't hurt, but if I want to upgrade to gtk+2-2.16 I have to solve a lot o

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-25 Thread Jacob Todd
Or maybe the Gecko people just want us to think they're rending pages correctly, and they're not. It's a conspiracy I tell you. They just want us all to have to use firefox. The only problem I'm having with uzbl is cookies, which is something I need to configure. Other than that I think I'm going

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-25 Thread Jacob Todd
I have gtk+-2.16.1 from ~x86. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:07:02PM +0200, Yoshi Rokuko wrote: > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 03:27:36PM -0400, Jacob Todd wrote: > > I've been able to get uzbl to compile on my gentoo machine. So far > > good for you, my build failed because my gtk+2-2.12.12 seemes to be

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-25 Thread Yoshi Rokuko
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 03:27:36PM -0400, Jacob Todd wrote: > I've been able to get uzbl to compile on my gentoo machine. So far good for you, my build failed because my gtk+2-2.12.12 seemes to be too old ... what kind of bleeding edge gtk2 does uzbl need (?) regards, y0shi

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-25 Thread Kris Maglione
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 03:27:36PM -0400, Jacob Todd wrote: it seems to render pages like slashdot faster than firefox with noscript and flashblock. KHTML and WebKit render most pages faster than Firefox, but they don't necessarilly render them correctly. -- Kris Maglione C++: an octopus ma

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-25 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: > it seems to render pages like slashdot faster than firefox with noscript and > flashblock. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: > it seems javascript is turned off. makes sense to me -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-25 Thread Michael
Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > > http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/experimental/docs/multiple-instances-management > > Dieter > Yeap, I have read it already, and why I noted that uzbl people probably won't implement buffers-like style of management.

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-25 Thread Jacob Todd
I've been able to get uzbl to compile on my gentoo machine. So far the browser has been working just fine with my tor + polipo setup, fonts look nice (but it doesn't seem like you can change them yet), and it seems to render pages like slashdot faster than firefox with noscript and flashblock. The

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-25 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Mon, 25 May 2009 01:41:10 +0400 Michael wrote: > sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: > > * Michael [2009-05-24 21:55]: > > > Although concept of one page per instance isn't very useful for > > > me right now. I use dwm, and I want web page be full screen, but > > > if I'm not in monocle mode, pages

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-25 Thread sqweek
2009/5/24 Kris Maglione : > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:30:46PM +0200, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: >> Weird.  I fetched the wmii 3.6 tarball, but it only contains wmii9menu. >> no wimenu. > > Yeah, it wasn't in 3.6—I think every wmii release to date has been done > behind my back, and 3.6 is old. I'm wo

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Don Harper
Pertag patch (http://dwm.suckless.org/patches/pertag) has this licked. I use it, and it works fine! Don On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 09:05:44PM -0400, Ammar James wrote to To dev mail list: > The whole tabbing situation could be solved if monacle were able to > function for only one tab (or "virtual d

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Ammar James
The whole tabbing situation could be solved if monacle were able to function for only one tab (or "virtual desktop" if you will). If that can happen, then simply having moncale on the tab you have the browser in would be great. if you want to go to another open page you just shuffle around till yo

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Michael
nilp wrote: > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:47:40PM +0400, Michael wrote: > > Although concept of one page per instance isn't very useful for me right > > now. I use dwm, and I want web page be full screen, but if I'm not in > > monocle mode, pages get shrunk in a half if there is more than one page,

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Michael
sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: > * Michael [2009-05-24 21:55]: > > Although concept of one page per instance isn't very useful for me right > > now. I use dwm, and I want web page be full screen, but if I'm not in > > monocle mode, pages get shrunk in a half if there is more than one page, > > whic

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Uriel
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:38 PM, wrote: > * Michael [2009-05-24 21:55]: >> Although concept of one page per instance isn't very useful for me right >> now. I use dwm, and I want web page be full screen, but if I'm not in >> monocle mode, pages get shrunk in a half if there is more than one page

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Uriel
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Michael wrote: > Jacob Todd wrote: >> Has anyone tried out uzbl (http://uzbl.org)? Seems interesting, it would >> be nice to replace firefox with this. I plan on installing it on my >> gentoo system later today. >> > > I have tried it already, and found very nasty

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread stanio
* Michael [2009-05-24 21:55]: > Although concept of one page per instance isn't very useful for me right > now. I use dwm, and I want web page be full screen, but if I'm not in > monocle mode, pages get shrunk in a half if there is more than one page, > which is bad, and monocle mode isn't useful

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread nilp
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:47:40PM +0400, Michael wrote: > Although concept of one page per instance isn't very useful for me right > now. I use dwm, and I want web page be full screen, but if I'm not in > monocle mode, pages get shrunk in a half if there is more than one page, > which is bad, and

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Michael
Jacob Todd wrote: > Has anyone tried out uzbl (http://uzbl.org)? Seems interesting, it would > be nice to replace firefox with this. I plan on installing it on my > gentoo system later today. > I have tried it already, and found very nasty thing about native language handling (filed bug already),

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread markus schnalke
[2009-05-24 11:31] Charlie Kester > > Writing an html renderer is not a simple task, so I understand the > decision to use an existing one (webkit) rather than set out to write a > new, suckless one. If this is possible at all. The current web technology requires complex software to render the p

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Charlie Kester
On Sun 24 May 2009 at 09:11:37 PDT Leonardo Taccari wrote: I agree with you Enno, I think that uzbl can became a very interesting browser because it's trying to follow the Unix way and at the same time its rendering, thanks to Webkit, isn't bad. I haven't had a chance to try uzbl yet, but I agr

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread bill lam
On Sun, 24 May 2009, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > mind telling us which functionality is lacking? Those that you wrote in this thread. > Btw, did you notice the project is just a month old and we have > no release yet? > > About the gtk dependency -> http://www.uzbl.org/faq.php not gtk dependency

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Julien Laffaye
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > About the gtk dependency -> http://www.uzbl.org/faq.php The GTK dependency is understendable for a graphical browser. All we can regret is that it comes with glib (but as it's here, it's normal to use it in a gtk app). > About the other c

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Sun, 24 May 2009 18:11:37 +0200 Leonardo Taccari wrote: > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 04:43:31PM +0200, Enno Boland (Gottox) wrote: > > NCURSES?! LIBCACA?! You're absolutely insane! > > Only because it's terminal based makes the libraries not better. > > > > GTK is the least sucking way (anyway n

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Leonardo Taccari
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 04:43:31PM +0200, Enno Boland (Gottox) wrote: > NCURSES?! LIBCACA?! You're absolutely insane! > Only because it's terminal based makes the libraries not better. > > GTK is the least sucking way (anyway not a good one) to use Webkit. If > you want to use a textbrowser use el

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread bill lam
I use w3m as primary browser and firefox only for sites that need javascript or ajax. I cannot see this project suckless, it only uses a bloated rendering engine and lack needed functions. I think one can take midori and remove some functions to make yet another uzbl. It will earn more respect b

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Ricardo Lanziano
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Enno Boland (Gottox) wrote: > GTK is the least sucking way (anyway not a good one) to use Webkit. If > you want to use a textbrowser use elinks. If you think by using libcaca I'll have a "textbrowser" like elinks then you are wrong. Uzbl is ok for a minimal codeb

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Enno Boland (Gottox)
NCURSES?! LIBCACA?! You're absolutely insane! Only because it's terminal based makes the libraries not better. GTK is the least sucking way (anyway not a good one) to use Webkit. If you want to use a textbrowser use elinks. I think uzbl is a good base to write a better browser, but I believe gtk

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Ricardo Lanziano
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Uriel wrote: > WTF? They claim to follow 'the unix way', and they write *bash* > scripts? Are this people retarded? And thy use > --idiotic-gnu-style-options *YUCK* I agree, one of the projects motto is "the Unix way", yet I still need a borked shell and bloated l

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Uriel
WTF? They claim to follow 'the unix way', and they write *bash* scripts? Are this people retarded? And thy use --idiotic-gnu-style-options *YUCK* uriel On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Julien Laffaye wrote: > I like the main ideas (minimalism/vi(m) key bindings). > But the poor quality of the sh

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread Thomas Gallen
> I know that Safari's developer tools are awesome, but I don't know how much > of that is included in webkit. >From what I've seen pop up in Arora and Midori, a lot has. Everything from the javascript profiler and debugging to the live dom tree views, load graphs and such. However, I don't know

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread Kris Maglione
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:30:46PM +0200, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: I hear you. firebug rocks. I will probably also keep using FF+firebug+web developer toolbar, but just for developing/debugging/.. web pages. Eg purely as a web development tool. (unless i find something better). Uzbl aims to be

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread Jimmy Tang
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 01:35:18PM -0400, Benjamin Conner wrote: >it looks cool.  I will maybe test it out when I get home. > >On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Jacob Todd <[1]jaketodd...@gmail.com> >wrote: > > Has anyone tried out uzbl ([2]http://uzbl.org)? Seems interesting, i

Re: [dev] uzbl -> design goals?

2009-05-23 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Sat, 23 May 2009 21:48:46 +0200 "svenguc...@guckes.net" wrote: > * Dieter Plaetinck [2009-05-23 21:41]: > > On Sat, 23 May 2009 20:42:46 +0200 > > Sven Guckes wrote: > > > * Dieter Plaetinck [2009-05-23 20:15]: > > > > We may have (more or less) the keybinding ideas in > > > > common with v

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Sat, 23 May 2009 15:26:22 -0400 Kris Maglione wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 08:48:28PM +0200, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > >> No, it doesn't. I'd be in favor of it, but it would require > >> switching over to xulrunner and breaking compatibility with > >> other extensions (some of which are

Re: [dev] uzbl -> design goals?

2009-05-23 Thread svenguc...@guckes.net
* Dieter Plaetinck [2009-05-23 21:41]: > On Sat, 23 May 2009 20:42:46 +0200 > Sven Guckes wrote: > > * Dieter Plaetinck [2009-05-23 20:15]: > > > We may have (more or less) the keybinding ideas in > > > common with vimperator, but that's where it stops. > > > (unless I'm mistaken about what vimp

Re: [dev] uzbl -> design goals?

2009-05-23 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Sat, 23 May 2009 20:42:46 +0200 Sven Guckes wrote: > * Dieter Plaetinck [2009-05-23 20:15]: > > We may have (more or less) the keybinding ideas in > > common with vimperator, but that's where it stops. > > (unless I'm mistaken about what vimperator does). > > you want a command line! http:/

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread Kris Maglione
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 08:48:28PM +0200, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: No, it doesn't. I'd be in favor of it, but it would require switching over to xulrunner and breaking compatibility with other extensions (some of which are too useful to give up). did you mean switching away from xulrunner? fire

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread Julien Laffaye
I like the main ideas (minimalism/vi(m) key bindings). But the poor quality of the shell scripts (especially the shebang with bash, sic!) and the license (gplv3) disappointed me. [yeah, im fighting against linuxisms...] Regards On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: > Has anyone tri

Re: [dev] uzbl -> design goals?

2009-05-23 Thread Sven Guckes
* Dieter Plaetinck [2009-05-23 20:15]: > I have only spent little time with vimperator, but unless > I'm missing something vimperators idea is adding a vim-like > interface to firefox (and other mozilla software). yep.. and it makes firefox *extra* slow. :-( > AFAIK it does not change that stora

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Sat, 23 May 2009 14:19:40 -0400 Kris Maglione wrote: Hi Kris, thanks for your reply. > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 08:06:00PM +0200, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > >I have only spent little time with vimperator, but unless I'm missing > >something vimperators idea is adding a vim-like interface to fir

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread markus schnalke
[2009-05-23 19:42] José Manuel Pavón Álvarez > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: > > Has anyone tried out uzbl (http://uzbl.org)? Seems interesting, it would > > be nice to replace firefox with this. I plan on installing it on my > > gentoo system later today. > > Looks like the

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread Kris Maglione
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 08:06:00PM +0200, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: I have only spent little time with vimperator, but unless I'm missing something vimperators idea is adding a vim-like interface to firefox (and other mozilla software). AFAIK it does not change that storage of your bookmarks, hist

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Sat, 23 May 2009 19:42:31 +0200 José Manuel Pavón Álvarez wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Jacob Todd > wrote: > > Has anyone tried out uzbl (http://uzbl.org)? Seems interesting, it > > would be nice to replace firefox with this. I plan on installing it > > on my gentoo system later

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread Kris Maglione
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 01:53:05PM -0400, Jacob Todd wrote: Vimperator is just an addon for firefox (what I use atm), uzbl is a complete browser with vim like keybindings with a good rendering engine, that leaves all configuration to the user in the form of scripts. Yep, we talked about it on t

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread Jacob Todd
Vimperator is just an addon for firefox (what I use atm), uzbl is a complete browser with vim like keybindings with a good rendering engine, that leaves all configuration to the user in the form of scripts. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 07:42:31PM +0200, Jos? Manuel Pav?n ?lvarez wrote: > Looks like the

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread José Manuel Pavón Álvarez
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: > Has anyone tried out uzbl (http://uzbl.org)? Seems interesting, it would > be nice to replace firefox with this. I plan on installing it on my > gentoo system later today. Looks like the vimperator [1] idea. I am more happy since I use vimperat

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread Benjamin Conner
it looks cool. I will maybe test it out when I get home. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: > Has anyone tried out uzbl (http://uzbl.org)? Seems interesting, it would > be nice to replace firefox with this. I plan on installing it on my > gentoo system later today. > >

[dev] uzbl

2009-05-23 Thread Jacob Todd
Has anyone tried out uzbl (http://uzbl.org)? Seems interesting, it would be nice to replace firefox with this. I plan on installing it on my gentoo system later today.