Re: [dev] lisp

2013-07-02 Thread Craig Brozefsky
Alexander Sedov writes: > May I get links to your hard works or at least to your papers, or all > you have is some stuff you failed to sell to Yahoo, like that one guy? Wait, I thought he DID sell it, and now farms Chocobos over at Hacker News? I originally had links, but thought it gauche, but

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-07-02 Thread Alexander Sedov
2013/7/2 Craig Brozefsky : > > Good morning, some good-natured trollbait to go with my coffee! > I've spent about half my professional career (15+ yrs) working on Lisp > products -- Common Lisp, and Clojure specifically. In both > cases, accomplishing what we had to do in the time we had would not

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-07-02 Thread Craig Brozefsky
Good morning, some good-natured trollbait to go with my coffee! Alexander Sedov writes: > I personally consider it irrelevant. People just don't actually write > in Lisp, because it's either painful or results in slowness. Lisp is a > great language for teaching abstract CS concepts and languag

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-07-02 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Andrew Gwozdziewycz dixit: >SBCL and Racket are certainly faster than Python, PHP, Ruby, Perl in most Less portable: http://packages.debian.org/sid/sbcl#pdownload bye, //mirabilos -- FWIW, I'm quite impressed with mksh interactively. I thought it was much *much* more bare bones. But it turns ou

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-07-02 Thread Sanel Zukan
Hi, > Well, nowadays every toy language out there has CFFI, and it's far > less pleasant to use than native libraries. I have nothing to say True, but have you ever tried to use any of it? I did and I have to say that 99% of them are half baked solutions just to satisfy examples. Even for more po

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-07-02 Thread Alexander Sedov
2013/7/2 Andrew Gwozdziewycz : > SBCL and Racket are certainly faster than Python, PHP, Ruby, Perl in most > cases. SBCL, since it is more or less an interactive native code compiler is > faster yet. You'll have to qualify painful. Are you referring to syntax? If > so, no Lisper even sees parenthes

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-07-02 Thread Sanel Zukan
>> And no libraries. > > I urge you to check out Quicklisp (for Common Lisp, > http://www.quicklisp.org/) and reevaluate your statement. While the > Quicklisp + other Common Lisp library repos aren't as exhaustive as CPAN, > they usually contain very high quality code (unlike CPAN, or PyPi, or > wh

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-07-02 Thread Andrew Gwozdziewycz
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Alexander Sedov wrote: > 2013/6/29 oneofthem : > > is there any reason why lisp isn't mentioned much in the suckless > > community? > > considered irrelevant, harmful or what? > I personally consider it irrelevant. People just don't actually write > in Lisp, because

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-07-02 Thread Alexander Sedov
2013/6/29 oneofthem : > is there any reason why lisp isn't mentioned much in the suckless > community? > considered irrelevant, harmful or what? I personally consider it irrelevant. People just don't actually write in Lisp, because it's either painful or results in slowness. Lisp is a great languag

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-07-01 Thread Andrew Gwozdziewycz
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Craig Brozefsky wrote: > Andrew Gwozdziewycz writes: > > >Lisps are loaded with this sort of stuff, and while I love it, and > >enjoy using them thinking about them, reading about them, they just > >aren't practical for mortals who are used to PHP. > >

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-07-01 Thread Craig Brozefsky
Andrew Gwozdziewycz writes: >Lisps are loaded with this sort of stuff, and while I love it, and >enjoy using them thinking about them, reading about them, they just >aren't practical for mortals who are used to PHP. You keep confusing simple and easy. http://www.infoq.com/presentati

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-06-30 Thread Andrew Gwozdziewycz
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Louis-Guillaume Gagnon < louis.guillaume.gag...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2013/6/29 Andrew Gwozdziewycz : > > I don't speak for the suckless community, but despite the fact that I > love > > it, Lisp is complicated and not very simple at all > > It's worth noting that th

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-06-30 Thread Andrew Gwozdziewycz
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Craig Brozefsky wrote: > Andrew Gwozdziewycz writes: > > >I don't speak for the suckless community, but despite the fact that I > >love it, Lisp is complicated and not very simple at all, which I'm > >guessing is why you don't hear about it. I'm curre

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-06-30 Thread Sanel Zukan
Hi, On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Szabolcs Nagy wrote: > r5rs is much more limited in scope than c99, it has a synthetic > design that provides the bare minimum to express high level > computations, while c99 has an ugly pragmatic design, the result > of long evolution and contradicting const

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-06-29 Thread Andrew Hills
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:11:42 -0400 Jacob Todd wrote: > how is that good news? that's horrible news. (That's the joke.) signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-06-29 Thread Jacob Todd
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Szabolcs Nagy wrote: > but there is good news for those who think c is bad: there are > emerging platforms which may give rise to different languages: > jvm on mobile and enterprise systems and the web with js.. > how is that good news? that's horrible news.

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-06-29 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
* Louis-Guillaume Gagnon [2013-06-29 13:35:58 -0400]: > It's worth noting that the R5RS scheme standard is only ~50 pages > long: http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/ > In comparison, the C99 standard is ~550 pages. I would say that the > scheme dialect is pretty simple. r5rs is muc

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-06-29 Thread Louis-Guillaume Gagnon
2013/6/29 Andrew Gwozdziewycz : > I don't speak for the suckless community, but despite the fact that I love > it, Lisp is complicated and not very simple at all It's worth noting that the R5RS scheme standard is only ~50 pages long: http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/ In comparison,

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-06-29 Thread Craig Brozefsky
Andrew Gwozdziewycz writes: >I don't speak for the suckless community, but despite the fact that I >love it, Lisp is complicated and not very simple at all, which I'm >guessing is why you don't hear about it. I'm currently playing around >with attempting to make a minimal, embedda

Re: [dev] lisp

2013-06-29 Thread Andrew Gwozdziewycz
I don't speak for the suckless community, but despite the fact that I love it, Lisp is complicated and not very simple at all, which I'm guessing is why you don't hear about it. I'm currently playing around with attempting to make a minimal, embeddable, unix friendly, without complications dialect,

[dev] lisp

2013-06-29 Thread oneofthem
is there any reason why lisp isn't mentioned much in the suckless community? considered irrelevant, harmful or what?