Re: [dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-03 Thread Silvan Jegen
On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Mattias Andrée wrote: > On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 22:54:43 +0200 > Silvan Jegen wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 10:16:06PM +0200, FRIGN wrote: >> > On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 22:08:08 +0200 >> > Silvan Jegen wrote: > [...] >> The Wayland protocol deals with input as well so

Re: [dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-02 Thread Staven
On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 06:04:20PM +0200, patrick295767 patrick295767 wrote: > Quote: > Display server expert Daniel Stone explains what is really happening Display server expert.

Re: [dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-02 Thread Michael Forney
On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Silvan Jegen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 08:41:57PM +0200, FRIGN wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 20:33:39 +0200 > > Silvan Jegen wrote: > > > > Hey Silvan, > > > > > One can argue that having a simple protocol *is* the suckless part of > > > Wayland (dont forget

Re: [dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-02 Thread patrick295767 patrick295767
It was indeed quite interesting decision from Fedora. It seems that Fedora is serious about it. "The rumors of its death are greatly exaggerated... Sailfish OS has been using Wayland from the start and Fedora wants to make Wayland the default for their next release (I wouldn't count on it)." 2016

Re: [dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-02 Thread Mattias Andrée
On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 22:54:43 +0200 Silvan Jegen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 10:16:06PM +0200, FRIGN wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 22:08:08 +0200 > > Silvan Jegen wrote: > > > Since Wayland is only a protocol, as long as both the > > > client and the server follow it closely enough both > >

Re: [dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-02 Thread Silvan Jegen
On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 10:16:06PM +0200, FRIGN wrote: > On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 22:08:08 +0200 > Silvan Jegen wrote: > > Since Wayland is only a protocol, as long as both the client and the > > server follow it closely enough both the clients and the server will > > be happy. What is crucial is that t

Re: [dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-02 Thread patrick295767 patrick295767
I believe that we will have to strive to keep X11. 2016-08-02 20:33 GMT+02:00 Silvan Jegen : > Heyho > > On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 06:27:49PM +0200, FRIGN wrote: >> On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 18:04:20 +0200 >> patrick295767 patrick295767 wrote: >> >> Hey Patrick, >> >> > Do you believe that Wayland will re

Re: [dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-02 Thread FRIGN
On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 22:08:08 +0200 Silvan Jegen wrote: > As far as I can tell, the goal of the Wayland devs is to keep the > required protocols to a minimum and graduate prooven protocol > extensions to official Wayland ones. It sounds good on paper, but really turns out to be a horrible mess in

Re: [dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-02 Thread Silvan Jegen
On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 08:41:57PM +0200, FRIGN wrote: > On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 20:33:39 +0200 > Silvan Jegen wrote: > > Hey Silvan, > > > One can argue that having a simple protocol *is* the suckless part of > > Wayland (dont forget Xprint[0] :P). The Wayland protocol also does not > > allow for co

Re: [dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-02 Thread hiro
this has been discussed here often enough. just discuss this bullshit with your hackernews friends next time.

Re: [dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-02 Thread FRIGN
On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 20:33:39 +0200 Silvan Jegen wrote: Hey Silvan, > One can argue that having a simple protocol *is* the suckless part of > Wayland (dont forget Xprint[0] :P). The Wayland protocol also does not > allow for communication between clients directly[1] but only through > the Wayland

Re: [dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-02 Thread Silvan Jegen
Heyho On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 06:27:49PM +0200, FRIGN wrote: > On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 18:04:20 +0200 > patrick295767 patrick295767 wrote: > > Hey Patrick, > > > Do you believe that Wayland will replace X11 one day?;) > > this is a tough question to answer. If we are headed on the current > cou

Re: [dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-02 Thread FRIGN
On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 18:04:20 +0200 patrick295767 patrick295767 wrote: Hey Patrick, > Do you believe that Wayland will replace X11 one day?;) this is a tough question to answer. If we are headed on the current course, I think we will face even more difficult times in the future with worse mon

Re: [dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-02 Thread Mattias Andrée
On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 18:04:20 +0200 patrick295767 patrick295767 wrote: > Hi, Ahoy! > > Do you believe that Wayland will replace X11 one > day?;) Yes — and it will be horrible. The worst part of Wayland it encourages you to write your own display server with all of features in one single pr

[dev] Wayland vs X11

2016-08-02 Thread patrick295767 patrick295767
Hi, Do you believe that Wayland will replace X11 one day?;) Besides, don't you believe that Ubuntu may have time to time some negative influence on Linux phylosophy? Quote: Display server expert Daniel Stone explains what is really happening with the future of graphical display protocols on