Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-09 Thread Seth Hover
totally; just speaking in terms of suckless projects hosted on suckless.org. there basically IS a suckless DE. you just have to assemble it (much like the fact that most suckless tools are meant to be compiled by the user). apologies if this topquotes, I'm on a cell phone. On Nov 9, 2011 4:53 PM,

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-09 Thread Sime Ramov
* Seth Hover [2011-11-09 15:37-0800]: > i don't know about you but running dwm + dmenu is about as close to a > suckless DE as it gets (st and surf if you need the whole gamut, and I > use st). As is OpenBSD, nvi, herbstluftwm, xxxterm and urxvtd. See the issue now? Everybody has its own preferre

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-09 Thread Jacob Todd
It's funny because they don't realize they've been trolled.

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-09 Thread Seth Hover
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote: > Greetings comrades, > [marketing-type distractions] > i don't know about you but running dwm + dmenu is about as close to a suckless DE as it gets (st and surf if you need the whole gamut, and I use st).

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-09 Thread Jakub Lach
Dnia 9 listopada 2011 23:08 "2>&1" napisał(a): > Ugh. Please read Elements of Style by Strunk & White, especially the section > on lovers of big words. > -- > Regards, > 2>&1 The Joke Could Be On You. - brought by, Big Words Incorporated.

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-09 Thread Justin Pogue
Hey did you hear the one about the giant? Nevermind, its over your head. On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 4:08 PM, 2>&1 wrote: > On Monday, 7 November 2011 2:07:44 pm Kurt H Maier wrote: >> The very use of the phrase "Desktop Environment" betrays your >> low-lying commitment to the capitalist patriarchal

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-09 Thread Seth Hover
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:08 PM, 2>&1 wrote: > > Ugh. Please read Elements of Style by Strunk & White, especially the > section > on lovers of big words. > > hah. way to bite.

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-09 Thread
On Monday, 7 November 2011 2:07:44 pm Kurt H Maier wrote: > The very use of the phrase "Desktop Environment" betrays your > low-lying commitment to the capitalist patriarchal conspiracy to > restrict social mobility of non-institutional entity-computer > interfaces. Your attempt to sidetrack philo

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-08 Thread Sean Howard
Somebody signing messages as Petr Sabata wrote: > On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 03:13:35PM -0500, Sean Howard wrote: > > Suckless, as an organization currently has a lot of tools, I personally use > > very few of them. > > dwm - I use this every day, and I twitch when I need to use a computer > > witho

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-08 Thread Petr Sabata
On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 03:13:35PM -0500, Sean Howard wrote: > Suckless, as an organization currently has a lot of tools, I personally use > very few of them. > dwm - I use this every day, and I twitch when I need to use a computer > without it. I also twitch when I need to use a computer without

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-08 Thread pancake
why you say that? http://ano.lolcathost.org/finger.mhtml?id=1312461296190.jpg On 11/08/11 12:02, Yoshi Rokuko wrote: +- Kurt H Maier ---+ On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Justin Pogue wrote: man porn All pornography is male-oriented and oppressive. although t

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-08 Thread Yoshi Rokuko
+- Kurt H Maier ---+ > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:12 PM, > Justin Pogue wrote: > > man porn > > All pornography is male-oriented and oppressive. although this is a good point, there are people who try to change this, e.g. PorYes movement (poryes.de).

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Jacob Todd
I'm in favor of this man porn. On Nov 7, 2011 5:12 PM, "Justin Pogue" wrote: > Dibs on writing the keyboard vs mouse for porn viewing documentation. > We could sneak it in as an extra man page with DWM. man porn > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote: > > > O

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Justin Pogue wrote: > man porn All pornography is male-oriented and oppressive. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Justin Pogue
Dibs on writing the keyboard vs mouse for porn viewing documentation. We could sneak it in as an extra man page with DWM. man porn On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote: > Of course we have huge disparities and holy fights, like how > to edit text or if it is mo

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread lordkrandel
Suckless should stay as-is, but clarify (as done in this thread) its ideals – as you try to, too. Such rules then can be used to define what »suckless« really is. To "suck less" is about subjectivity. It's a matter of taste. Suckless.org is about software tools available for everybody. Not abou

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Bryan Bennett
(I apologize for my MUA failing as hard as it does...)

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Bryan Bennett
While I agree that a collection of suckless tools under one roof wouldbe pretty awesome (especially something like sta.li or witch linux), I'mnot sure that marketing as a desktop environment is the right thing to do. I'm part of a small project called tudor[0] that aims to replicate a DE experience

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 11/07/11 at 09:34pm, Christoph Lohmann wrote: > But yes, the users we want in suckless should be sophisticated > enough to find this out on their own. We are taking the subset of > users from the Ubuntu[0]-educated crowd and filter them for the > real suckless users, that could spread our ideas.

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 7 November 2011 21:34, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote: > It is not about adding something real. Suckless should stay as-is, > but clarify (as done in this thread) its ideals – as you try to, too. > Such rules then can be used to define what »suckless« really is. > But the question is, i

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. I am just answering Anselm, but try to answer the open questions of the other postings too. Anselm R Garbe wrote: > Another remark: > > On 7 November 2011 20:21, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote: >> reading [0] got me into thinking, if we need some plain new >> terminology to m

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Corey Thomasson
On 7 November 2011 15:13, Sean Howard wrote: > > The idea would be to first have an identity, the »Suckless > > Desktop«, which needs a logo, some texts and then links to > > the various parts of suckless. This would be the entrypoint > > for new users, where they can decide, what to adopt to or

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Another remark: On 7 November 2011 20:21, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote: > reading [0] got me into thinking, if we need some plain new > terminology to make suckless more usable for the press. Suck- > less by now is just a repository of tools or a philosophy. > This does not sell. Instea

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread stanio
* Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> [2011-11-07 20:23]: > terminology to make suckless more usable for the press. [...] Instead > a whole environment could be promoted, which is usable across > platforms. Why? Promote to whom? What is your final goal: to educate the masses in order to get bett

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Sean Howard
Somebody claiming to be Christoph Lohmann wrote: > Greetings comrades, > > reading [0] got me into thinking, if we need some plain new > terminology to make suckless more usable for the press. Suck- > less by now is just a repository of tools or a philosophy. > This does not sell. Instead a whole

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 7 November 2011 20:21, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote: > Greetings comrades, > > reading [0] got me into thinking, if we need some plain new > terminology to make suckless more usable for the press. Suck- > less by now is just a repository of tools or a philosophy. > This does not sell.

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Niki Yoshiuchi
Can I vote this "best of"? On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > The very use of the phrase "Desktop Environment" betrays your > low-lying commitment to the capitalist patriarchal conspiracy to > restrict social mobility of non-institutional entity-computer > interfaces. Your at

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Kurt H Maier
The very use of the phrase "Desktop Environment" betrays your low-lying commitment to the capitalist patriarchal conspiracy to restrict social mobility of non-institutional entity-computer interfaces. Your attempt to sidetrack philosophical advances by creating a cult of information around your pa

[dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings comrades, reading [0] got me into thinking, if we need some plain new terminology to make suckless more usable for the press. Suck- less by now is just a repository of tools or a philosophy. This does not sell. Instead a whole environment could be pro- moted, which is usable across platf