Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-25 Thread Jack L. Frost
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:19:15PM -0600, Josh Lawrence wrote: > I'm curious to know what flavor of *nix people on this list use on a > day-to-day basis. Debian and Alpine (in containers) on servers, my own Arch spinoff[1] on desktops. Arch has a huge software library and provides all the tools to

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-21 Thread koneu
sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: > microkernel is beautiful Beauty might be the only property superior to monolithic.

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-21 Thread stanio
* koneu 2014-11-21 13:22 > + microkernel is inferior to monolithic in almost all aspects microkernel is beautiful --s

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-21 Thread koneu
+ microkernel is inferior to monolithic in almost all aspects

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-21 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 21 November 2014 12:07, Alexander Huemer wrote: > In my personal opinion Minix is no foundation to build on. There is a > reason why Linux Torvalds with his 'hobby project' got much more thrust > from the community than Andrew. S. Tanenbaum with his professional work. Not sure if Tanenbaum's m

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-21 Thread Alexander Huemer
Hi. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 06:25:13PM -0800, Charles Thorley wrote: > I find Minix3 to be extremely interesting, and attractive (at least in > principle). The advantages of Minix are purely theoretical. All the different servers can be restarted when they crash, but that does not make the caus

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-20 Thread M Farkas-Dyck
On 20/11/2014, FRIGN wrote: > On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 22:53:12 -0500 > M Farkas-Dyck wrote: > >> OpenBSD has poor multiprocessing performance but Bitrig is working on it. > > You can buy yourself performance by buying faster Hardware, but you > can't buy yourself security. > That's why choosing secur

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-20 Thread Charles Thorley
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014, at 06:34 PM, Greg Reagle wrote: > Well I am a member of this mailing list, and I am very interested in > Minix. Yes, to be clear - I meant "ignored in discussions on this mailing list," not "ignored by members of this mailing list." :)

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-20 Thread Greg Reagle
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014, at 09:25 PM, Charles Thorley wrote: > It's surprising to me that Minix 3 appears to be, by way of googling > 'site:lists.suckless.org minix', almost completely ignored by this > mailing list. This thread brought that curiosity to my attention once > again. I wonder if anyone

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-20 Thread Charles Thorley
Greetings to the Suckless community. Thanks for all the awesome software. I find Minix3 to be extremely interesting, and attractive (at least in principle). A kernel that's only a few thousand (I think I heard 12 last?) LOC sounds like "do one thing and do it well" taken to an extreme. I realize

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-20 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Wolfgang Corcoran-Mathe said: > None of this applies to insane software. (I do not wish to recompile > libwebkitgtk _ever again_, for example.) But aside from speeding up > fresh installs, software too awful to compile is the only good > argument for a large binary package library. Updating softwa

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-20 Thread Wolfgang Corcoran-Mathe
Quoth Markus Wichmann on Thu, Nov 20 2014 21:18 +0100: sabotage/Morpheus/sta.li: All great ideas, but since they're lacking the sheer manpower the major distributions boast, they can't possibly have the same library of packages. After running Slackware for a while, I've come to think this is no

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-20 Thread Louis Santillan
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned TinyCore Linux. Not everything about it is suckless, but at least it's frugal on resources once you get it configured how you like. For my development machines, I started on RedHat in the 90s and continued on with Fedora until I found Crux around 2002. Loved it

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-20 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Markus Wichmann said: > sabotage/Morpheus/sta.li: All great ideas, but since they're lacking the > sheer manpower the major distributions boast, they can't possibly have > the same library of packages. They can't possibly have the same library of packages simply because their goal is to be suckles

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-20 Thread Teodoro Santoni
Hey there, On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:19:15PM -0600, Josh Lawrence wrote: > I'm curious to know what flavor of *nix people on this list use on a > day-to-day basis. Slackware atm at home, I'm still tinkering with it to get an environment which conforms to my quirks. It's installed in dual boot

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-20 Thread Markus Wichmann
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:19:15PM -0600, Josh Lawrence wrote: > So for those of you that participate in the suckless community in some > way: What do you run on your computer, and why? > Debian testing on my laptop and Windows on my PC. Because I use my laptop for working and playing around wit

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-20 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 19 November 2014 19:19, Josh Lawrence wrote: > I'm curious to know what flavor of *nix people on this list use on a > day-to-day basis. I've recall that some have mentioned using OpenBSD, > and I recently saw a reference to Fedora which, to be honest, > surprised me. I haven't settled yet, I

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-20 Thread FRIGN
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 22:53:12 -0500 M Farkas-Dyck wrote: > OpenBSD has poor multiprocessing performance but Bitrig is working on it. You can buy yourself performance by buying faster Hardware, but you can't buy yourself security. That's why choosing security is always better than choosing speed.

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-20 Thread Maxime Coste
Hello, On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:19:15PM -0600, Josh Lawrence wrote: > So for those of you that participate in the suckless community in some > way: What do you run on your computer, and why? I use Exherbo, which is similar to Gentoo but more decentralized, (and probably less user friendly). I

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-20 Thread koneu
Hand-crafted Linux distro on my desktop, maintaining it is a pain in the ass so might switch to Gentoo soon. I am currently using root to log in and run each "package" with a different uid (was supposed to be an experiment but it worked somewhat well) which might be hard to do on Gentoo. Arch with

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-19 Thread M Farkas-Dyck
Void Linux [1] and (OpenBSD [2] or Bitrig [3]). Both easy to install, configure, and use. OpenBSD has poor multiprocessing performance but Bitrig is working on it. Void seems, in many ways, a better Arch. I mean to try morpheus too at some time when not so busy. I tried Plan 9 but the interface

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-19 Thread doa379
There's an incredible amount of spam and OT on this list isn't there! On 19/11/14 21:27, Lee Fallat wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: Which of these aren't available on OpenBSD in your opinion? I think OpenBSD has most of what I listed, but lacks hardware

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-19 Thread Lee Fallat
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > Which of these aren't available on OpenBSD in your opinion? > I think OpenBSD has most of what I listed, but lacks hardware support. Using a computer's CPU to its full extent is nice too. I'm usually running apache with at least 10 vir

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-19 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Lee Fallat said: > I would like to use an alternative OS, such as OpenBSD or Plan 9 full > time, but I don't have the resources. Resources in this case are > servers running mainstream OSs to run services and tools like apache, > database software, 3d modeling software and so on. Which of these ar

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-19 Thread Bigby James
I've been a happy Arch user for 4 years, but I've been seriously considering moving to FreeBSD. Lots of similarities between the two, and FreeBSD has all the software I use in its ports tree. It seems to have the right balance of simplicity and customizability, and the -STABLE branch gets regular u

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-19 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 19 November 2014 14:32, Greg Reagle wrote: > On 11/19/2014 01:19 PM, Josh Lawrence wrote: >> I'm curious to know what flavor of *nix people on this list use on a >> day-to-day basis. > for linux, I use debian across the board, it makes it easier for me to deal with getting my development/use s

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-19 Thread Greg Reagle
On 11/19/2014 01:19 PM, Josh Lawrence wrote: > I'm curious to know what flavor of *nix people on this list use on a > day-to-day basis. I use: Ubuntu LTS: job workstation and job server Manjaro: job laptop and home laptop Debian stable: home desktop and job server I really like the stability of D

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-19 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:19:15PM -0600, Josh Lawrence wrote: > Hello list, > > I'm curious to know what flavor of *nix people on this list use on a > day-to-day basis. I've recall that some have mentioned using OpenBSD, > and I recently saw a reference to Fedora which, to be honest, > surprised

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-19 Thread Henrique Lengler
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:19:15PM -0600, Josh Lawrence wrote: > So for those of you that participate in the suckless community in some > way: What do you run on your computer, and why? I moved from gentoo to sabotage linux. https://github.com/sabotage-linux/sabotage Having fun with it, but waiti

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-19 Thread Lee Fallat
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Josh Lawrence wrote: > Hello list, > Hey! > > So for those of you that participate in the suckless community in some > way: What do you run on your computer, and why? > I used Debian stable for a long time because obviously it provided stability in an environment

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-19 Thread Bryan Bennett
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Josh Lawrence wrote: > So for those of you that participate in the suckless community in some > way: What do you run on your computer, and why? Crux at home, as I like it's simplicity coupled with customizability. Arch at work solely because of the ease of mainte

Re: [dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-19 Thread FRIGN
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:19:15 -0600 Josh Lawrence wrote: Hey Josh, > So for those of you that participate in the suckless community in some > way: What do you run on your computer, and why? It's a matter of taste, but I absolutely prefer Gentoo for Linux stuff because of its great flexibility.

[dev] Operating system choice

2014-11-19 Thread Josh Lawrence
Hello list, I'm curious to know what flavor of *nix people on this list use on a day-to-day basis. I've recall that some have mentioned using OpenBSD, and I recently saw a reference to Fedora which, to be honest, surprised me. This thread came up in my search: http://lists.suckless.org/dev/1006