Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-03 Thread hiro
Yeah, marketing: forcing you to buy shit you will never need. On 2/3/10, sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: > * David Tweed [2010-02-03 08:32]: >> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Noah Birnel wrote: >> > On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 04:49:52PM +0100, sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: >> > >> >>... a mobile ph

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-03 Thread hiro
> The over-equiped mobile phone fails at being general purpose portable > *mobile* computer due to the battery life for example. Having acceptable > battery life with the same equipment would result in other > weight/dimensions which would not fit in peoples' understanding for mobile > or portable

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-03 Thread stanio
* David Tweed [2010-02-03 08:32]: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Noah Birnel wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 04:49:52PM +0100, sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: > > > >>... a mobile phone with integrated camera, > >> touch screen, 'apps' for learning languages, etc. is as much suckless as an >

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-03 Thread stanio
* Noah Birnel [2010-02-03 05:46]: > On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 04:49:52PM +0100, sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: > > >... a mobile phone with integrated camera, > > touch screen, 'apps' for learning languages, etc. is as much suckless as an > > axe with a door bell, toilet paper and nuclear power gen

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-02 Thread David Tweed
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Noah Birnel wrote: > On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 04:49:52PM +0100, sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: > >>... a mobile phone with integrated camera, >> touch screen, 'apps' for learning languages, etc. is as much suckless as an >> axe with a door bell, toilet paper and nucle

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-02 Thread Noah Birnel
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 04:49:52PM +0100, sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: >... a mobile phone with integrated camera, > touch screen, 'apps' for learning languages, etc. is as much suckless as an > axe with a door bell, toilet paper and nuclear power generator. > At this point a mobile phone is a

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-02 Thread hiro
what the fuck is all that pcp about anyway? On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Chris Palmer wrote: > Jacob Todd writes: > >> > Maybe he's that rude because the plan9-colors make him aggressive ;) >> >> I think it has to do with people being fucking dumb. > > Let's not reject the PCP hypothesis out

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-02 Thread Chris Palmer
Jacob Todd writes: > > Maybe he's that rude because the plan9-colors make him aggressive ;) > > I think it has to do with people being fucking dumb. Let's not reject the PCP hypothesis out of hand, now.

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-02 Thread Jacob Todd
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 03:57:05PM +0100, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: > Maybe he's that rude because the plan9-colors make him aggressive ;) > I think it has to do with people being fucking dumb. -- I am a man who does not exist for others. pgptG6In8tsHm.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-02 Thread Moritz Wilhelmy
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 12:09:28AM +0100, Nicolai Waniek wrote: > On 02/01/2010 10:25 PM, Uriel wrote: > > If you define your personal identity based on the colors of your > > fucking window manager I feel sorry for your pathetic worthless life. > > This is not the first time that you confuse caus

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-02 Thread julien steinhauser
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:57:04AM +0100, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > > Anselm R Garbe dixit (2010-02-02, 08:05): > > > On 1 February 2010 23:56, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > > > Well, a while ago I saw a back-to-front Trabant on the streets of > > > Warsaw, a quick google and here you go: > > > > > >

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-02 Thread Claudio M. Alessi
I meant werc.rc, as you can image. -- JID: smoppy AT gmail.com WWW: http://cma.teroristi.org

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-02 Thread pancake
Uriel wrote: On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:23 AM, pancake wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:31:38 +0100 Uriel wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:20 PM, pancake wrote: anonymous wrote: Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. Yes, I am talking

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-02 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Anselm R Garbe dixit (2010-02-02, 08:05): > On 1 February 2010 23:56, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > > Well, a while ago I saw a back-to-front Trabant on the streets of > > Warsaw, a quick google and here you go: > > > > http://autofoto.pl/blogs/prezes/archive/2009/05/11/trabant-je-d-cy-ty-em.aspxa > >

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-02 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 1 February 2010 23:56, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > Well, a while ago I saw a back-to-front Trabant on the streets of > Warsaw, a quick google and here you go: > > http://autofoto.pl/blogs/prezes/archive/2009/05/11/trabant-je-d-cy-ty-em.aspxa > > http://piotr.biegala.pl/foto/displayimage.php?pid=34

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Uriel
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:23 AM, pancake wrote: > On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:31:38 +0100 > Uriel wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:20 PM, pancake wrote: >> > anonymous wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. >> >>> >> >> >> >> Yes, I am talking about FreeBS

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Uriel
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Nicolai Waniek wrote: > On 02/01/2010 10:25 PM, Uriel wrote: >> If you define your personal identity based on the colors of your >> fucking window manager I feel sorry for your pathetic worthless life. > > This is not the first time that you confuse cause and resul

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Charlie Kester wrote: > On Mon 01 Feb 2010 at 13:30:00 PST Uriel wrote: >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:06 PM, anonymous wrote: Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. >>> >>> Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can mak

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Joseph Xu
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 12:09:28AM +0100, Nicolai Waniek wrote: > On 02/01/2010 10:25 PM, Uriel wrote: > > If you define your personal identity based on the colors of your > > fucking window manager I feel sorry for your pathetic worthless life. > > This is not the first time that you confuse caus

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Chris Palmer dixit (2010-02-01, 15:48): > Anselm R Garbe writes: > > > "[...] as even refueling the car required lifting the hood, filling the > > tank with gasoline (only 24 litres[1]), then adding two-stroke oil and > > shaking it back and forth to mix." > > Never mind that bit of compile-time

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Chris Palmer
Anselm R Garbe writes: > "[...] as even refueling the car required lifting the hood, filling the > tank with gasoline (only 24 litres[1]), then adding two-stroke oil and > shaking it back and forth to mix." Never mind that bit of compile-time configuration -- look at this filth! http://en.wikipe

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Chris Palmer
Uriel writes: > If you define your personal identity based on the colors of your fucking > window manager I feel sorry for your pathetic worthless life. Have you considered smoking less PCP?

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread pancake
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:31:38 +0100 Uriel wrote: > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:20 PM, pancake wrote: > > anonymous wrote: > >>> > >>> Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. > >>> > >> > >> Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your > >> program portable bet

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Nicolai Waniek
On 02/01/2010 10:25 PM, Uriel wrote: > If you define your personal identity based on the colors of your > fucking window manager I feel sorry for your pathetic worthless life. This is not the first time that you confuse cause and result. Additionally, you seem to not have a fucking clue about peop

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Rob
> If you define your personal identity based on the colors of your > fucking window manager I feel sorry for your pathetic worthless life. > > uriel Please keep these unconstrained insults coming, I laughed heartily at the quoted.

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Mate Nagy
> Out of curiosity: what were the other reasons and what did you settle on > instead (if anything)? Windows (and the iPhone) M.

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread jonathan . slark
> You idiots keep missing the point: if you need to change the colors to > improve your productivity then either the original colors were totally > broken and the developer that picked them should get a clue and fix > them, or your brain is broken, and you should stop using computers if > you can't

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Uriel dixit (2010-02-01, 22:30): > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:06 PM, anonymous wrote: > >> Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. > > > > Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your > > program portable between FreeBSD and Linux. Most probably other > > sy

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Charlie Kester
On Mon 01 Feb 2010 at 13:30:00 PST Uriel wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:06 PM, anonymous wrote: Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your program portable between FreeBSD and Linux. Most probably other system

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > On 1 February 2010 13:30,   wrote: >> experts rule: Actually they don't want!  Ever seen a suckless car, or >> mobile phone? > > There was the DDR Trabant, which I consider quite close to a suckless > car: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:26 PM, markus schnalke wrote: > [2010-02-01 13:06] Anselm R Garbe >> On 1 February 2010 12:52,   wrote: >> > >> > This is my PC and I decide what colours are used. >> >> To be fair Uriel isn't completely wrong. In an ideal world everyone >> would just use the software as

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:20 PM, pancake wrote: > anonymous wrote: >>> >>> Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. >>> >> >> Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your >> program portable between FreeBSD and Linux. Most probably other >> systems won't impl

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:06 PM, anonymous wrote: >> Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. > > Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your > program portable between FreeBSD and Linux. Most probably other > systems won't implement clone/rfork their own wa

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Nicolai Waniek wrote: > On 02/01/2010 12:02 PM, Uriel wrote: >> People are retards that should get a life, and developers that can't >> pick bearable colors should not pick colors (just ask for advice from >> an artists as Rob did for acme and rio). > > Desktop Loo

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread hiro
Hah, a trabbie sucks less?! That's pure idiocy!

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Anselm R Garbe dixit (2010-02-01, 15:58): > On 1 February 2010 15:49, wrote: > > * Anselm R Garbe [2010-02-01 15:48]: > >> On 1 February 2010 13:30,   wrote: > >> > experts rule: Actually they don't want!  Ever seen a suckless car, or > >> > mobile phone? > >> > >> There was the DDR Trabant, wh

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 1 February 2010 15:49, wrote: > * Anselm R Garbe [2010-02-01 15:48]: >> On 1 February 2010 13:30,   wrote: >> > experts rule: Actually they don't want!  Ever seen a suckless car, or >> > mobile phone? >> >> There was the DDR Trabant, which I consider quite close to a suckless >> car: http://e

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread stanio
* Anselm R Garbe [2010-02-01 15:48]: > On 1 February 2010 13:30, wrote: > > experts rule: Actually they don't want!  Ever seen a suckless car, or > > mobile phone? > > There was the DDR Trabant, which I consider quite close to a suckless > car: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant Well, Trabi

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Anselm R Garbe
A remark about the Trabant, quote from the Wikipedia article "[...] as even refueling the car required lifting the hood, filling the tank with gasoline (only 24 litres[1]), then adding two-stroke oil and shaking it back and forth to mix." This isn't correct, in the GDR each petrol station had pet

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 1 February 2010 13:30, wrote: > experts rule: Actually they don't want!  Ever seen a suckless car, or > mobile phone? There was the DDR Trabant, which I consider quite close to a suckless car: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant As for a mobile phone I'd say that the iphone is quite suckles

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread markus schnalke
[2010-02-01 13:06] Anselm R Garbe > On 1 February 2010 12:52, wrote: > > > > This is my PC and I decide what colours are used. > > To be fair Uriel isn't completely wrong. In an ideal world everyone > would just use the software as is and not waste time on fiddling > around with colors and such

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Claudio M. Alessi
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 01:06:09PM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > To be fair Uriel isn't completely wrong. In an ideal world everyone > would just use the software as is and not waste time on fiddling > around with colors and such. But obviously a lot of people like > customizing things/making them

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread twfb
On 11:15 Mon 01 Feb, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > Well if you ask artists they will come up with gradients, translucency > and other bullshit. I think the default color scheme in dwm is great. Then you are asking the wrong "artists". > >> I know you will say there shouldn't be any options, but even we

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread stanio
* Anselm R Garbe [2010-02-01 14:09]: > On 1 February 2010 12:52, wrote: > >> People are retards that should get a life, > >> [...] > >> shortcuts are part of the UI which should be sane and consistent. > > > > This is my PC and I decide what colours are used. > like nearly no one changes the loo

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread pancake
anonymous wrote: Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your program portable between FreeBSD and Linux. Most probably other systems won't implement clone/rfork their own way so program will be portable betwe

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 1 February 2010 13:06, anonymous wrote: >> Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. > > Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your > program portable between FreeBSD and Linux. Most probably other > systems won't implement clone/rfork their own way so p

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread anonymous
> Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your program portable between FreeBSD and Linux. Most probably other systems won't implement clone/rfork their own way so program will be portable between all systems with som

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 1 February 2010 12:52, wrote: >> People are retards that should get a life, and developers that can't >> pick bearable colors should not pick colors (just ask for advice from >> an artists as Rob did for acme and rio). Layout algorithms are more an >> intrinsic part of the application and shou

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread jonathan . slark
> People are retards that should get a life, and developers that can't > pick bearable colors should not pick colors (just ask for advice from > an artists as Rob did for acme and rio). Layout algorithms are more an > intrinsic part of the application and should not be considered 'an > option' (and

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 1 February 2010 11:45, pancake wrote: > Anselm R Garbe wrote: People have different taste regarding the colors, fonts, layout algorithms, shortcuts etc. >>> >>> People are retards that should get a life, and developers that can't >>> pick bearable colors should not pick colo

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread pancake
Anselm R Garbe wrote: People have different taste regarding the colors, fonts, layout algorithms, shortcuts etc. People are retards that should get a life, and developers that can't pick bearable colors should not pick colors (just ask for advice from an artists as Rob did for acme and r

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Nicolai Waniek
On 02/01/2010 12:02 PM, Uriel wrote: > People are retards that should get a life, and developers that can't > pick bearable colors should not pick colors (just ask for advice from > an artists as Rob did for acme and rio). Desktop Look&Feel Communism up ahead. Yours is the most retarded and human

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 1 February 2010 11:02, Uriel wrote: > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> I agree to all you said, except: >> >> On 31 January 2010 22:00, Uriel wrote: >>> No, it is not OK, the gratuitous fiddling with the .h files is one of >>> the most retarded things about dwm. >> >>

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > I agree to all you said, except: > > On 31 January 2010 22:00, Uriel wrote: >> No, it is not OK, the gratuitous fiddling with the .h files is one of >> the most retarded things about dwm. > > If you know a better way, please let me know. The

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Dmitry Maluka
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 09:48:37AM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > IMHO such a package manager is not needed, all we need are static > executables of each tool what I try to achieve with static linux. Only > exception are config files for daemons and tools, however this is all > achievable using git

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 1 February 2010 09:38, Dmitry Maluka wrote: > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:00:58PM +0100, Uriel wrote: >> There are retarded standards for all kinds of crap, too bad that there >> are thousands of standards and nobody follows them anyway. >> >> It is simple, the system user knows much better wher

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-02-01 Thread Dmitry Maluka
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:00:58PM +0100, Uriel wrote: > There are retarded standards for all kinds of crap, too bad that there > are thousands of standards and nobody follows them anyway. > > It is simple, the system user knows much better where shit is than the > developer can dream knowing, if t

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-31 Thread Anselm R Garbe
I agree to all you said, except: On 31 January 2010 22:00, Uriel wrote: > No, it is not OK, the gratuitous fiddling with the .h files is one of > the most retarded things about dwm. If you know a better way, please let me know. The idea behind config.h is to provide a mechanism where people can

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-31 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 1 February 2010 07:06, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > On 31 January 2010 22:40, anonymous wrote: >>> If you need mkstemp you have have two options: either you restrict >>> your program to run only on platforms that include it, or you >>> implement your own version. In either case there is *zero* adva

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-31 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 31 January 2010 22:40, anonymous wrote: >> If you need mkstemp you have have two options: either you restrict >> your program to run only on platforms that include it, or you >> implement your own version. In either case there is *zero* advantage >> of finding out at build time whatever your sy

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-31 Thread anonymous
> If you need mkstemp you have have two options: either you restrict > your program to run only on platforms that include it, or you > implement your own version. In either case there is *zero* advantage > of finding out at build time whatever your system includes it or not. What if there is diffe

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-31 Thread Uriel
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:16 PM, pancake wrote: > > > On Jan 30, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Uriel wrote: > >>> >> >> Plan 9 solves this, the standard set of mkfiles you can use are >> described here: http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/mkfiles >> > Will take a look. Thanks >> >>> The configure

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-31 Thread pancake
On Jan 30, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Uriel wrote: Plan 9 solves this, the standard set of mkfiles you can use are described here: http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/mkfiles Will take a look. Thanks The configure stage is in many situations innecessary, but its just a way to do d

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-30 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 29 January 2010 10:32, pancake wrote: > The problem I see in makefiles is that they dont follow a strict usage > rules and there are no 'standards' on their usage. And this is pretty > anoying. Because with the makefile approach you end up by implementing > everything from scratch, there's no s

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-30 Thread Uriel
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:32 AM, pancake wrote: > Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> >> Well I've heared these reasons before and I don't buy them. There are >> toolchains like the BSD ones and they proof pretty much that the >> "everything is a Makefile approach" is the most portable and >> sustainable on

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-30 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:12 PM, anonymous wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 07:07:49AM +, David Tweed wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Uriel wrote: >> > Why the fucking hell should the fucking build tool know shit about the >> > OS it is running on?!?!?! >> > >> > If you need to do

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-29 Thread pancake
Anselm R Garbe wrote: Well I've heared these reasons before and I don't buy them. There are toolchains like the BSD ones and they proof pretty much that the "everything is a Makefile approach" is the most portable and sustainable one. Running a configure script from 10 years ago will fail immedia

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-27 Thread Charlie Kester
On Wed 27 Jan 2010 at 06:48:22 PST Noah Birnel wrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 07:43:22AM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote: In my observation one should stick to one platform, which is nowadays Linux+common libraries (most of the time) when packaging some source code. In >90% of all cases it will work

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-27 Thread Noah Birnel
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 07:43:22AM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > In my observation one should stick to one platform, which is nowadays > Linux+common libraries (most of the time) when packaging some source > code. In >90% of all cases it will work fine, because the other 95% of > users use Linux a

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-27 Thread anonymous
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 07:07:49AM +, David Tweed wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Uriel wrote: > > Why the fucking hell should the fucking build tool know shit about the > > OS it is running on?!?!?! > > > > If you need to do OS guessing, that is a clear sign that you are doing > > t

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-26 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2010/1/27 David Tweed : > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Uriel wrote: >> Why the fucking hell should the fucking build tool know shit about the >> OS it is running on?!?!?! >> >> If you need to do OS guessing, that is a clear sign that you are doing >> things *wrong* 99% of the time. > > [In wha

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-26 Thread David Tweed
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Uriel wrote: > Why the fucking hell should the fucking build tool know shit about the > OS it is running on?!?!?! > > If you need to do OS guessing, that is a clear sign that you are doing > things *wrong* 99% of the time. [In what follows by "OS" I mean kernel pl

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-26 Thread Uriel
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Daniel Bainton wrote: > 2010/1/25 pancake : >> I have been using make(1) and acr(1) for most of my projects for a long while > > acr seems to have the OS guessing quite bad. It checks if uname is the > GNU version and then adds -gnu to the system type if it is? Wha

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-26 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:40 PM, pancake wrote: > PD: Is there any tutorial or good documentation about how to use mk? http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/mk http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/mkfiles > because > 'make' is > nice, but its too shell dependend and this force

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-26 Thread Ryan R
I switched the development process over to gentoo where I work and it's been awesome to say the least.

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-26 Thread David Tweed
Thanks to everyone for all the help. I'm looking more at the development process than the distribution process which means different issues are most important for me. The big issue I'm looking at is that I've got lots of programs which can be visualised as having "conventional" dependencies with t

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-26 Thread pancake
I just wanted to say that few months ago I started to write a build system in C, aiming to fix all those issues, but it's quite in early stage, only works for simple projects. I named it 'cake', as for cooking :) You will find the source here: hg clone http://hg.youterm.com/cake Instead of

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-26 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2010/1/26 pancake : > Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> >> What about the good old way of providing one master makefile for each >> platform instead of these scripts that are doomed to fail anyways >> sooner or later? >> >> > > It's not only about platform, for small projects i find single makefiles ok, > b

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-26 Thread pancake
Anselm R Garbe wrote: What about the good old way of providing one master makefile for each platform instead of these scripts that are doomed to fail anyways sooner or later? It's not only about platform, for small projects i find single makefiles ok, but for big ones you need to separate th

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-26 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2010/1/26 pancake : > On Jan 26, 2010, at 8:10 AM, Daniel Bainton wrote: > >> 2010/1/25 pancake : >>> >>> I have been using make(1) and acr(1) for most of my projects for a long >>> while >> >> acr seems to have the OS guessing quite bad. It checks if uname is the >> GNU version and then adds -gnu

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-26 Thread Daniel Bainton
2010/1/26 pancake : > > > On Jan 26, 2010, at 8:10 AM, Daniel Bainton wrote: > >> 2010/1/25 pancake : >>> >>> I have been using make(1) and acr(1) for most of my projects for a long >>> while >> >> acr seems to have the OS guessing quite bad. It checks if uname is the >> GNU version and then adds

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-25 Thread pancake
On Jan 26, 2010, at 8:10 AM, Daniel Bainton wrote: 2010/1/25 pancake : I have been using make(1) and acr(1) for most of my projects for a long while acr seems to have the OS guessing quite bad. It checks if uname is the GNU version and then adds -gnu to the system type if it is? What if t

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-25 Thread Andres Perera
I'd say stay away from cmake. It's very complicated. I'd like to try plan9 mk, but in the meantime, one more vote for good old make. Andres

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-25 Thread Daniel Bainton
2010/1/25 pancake : > I have been using make(1) and acr(1) for most of my projects for a long while acr seems to have the OS guessing quite bad. It checks if uname is the GNU version and then adds -gnu to the system type if it is? What if the system is a uClibc based one that uses the GNU version

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-25 Thread pancake
anonymous wrote: Radare INSTALL says "The WAF build system is supossed to replace the ACR one.". This means that ACR is going to be replaced with WAF? In the section "HOW TO COMPILE" there is "Standard way" with configure && make && make install and "Alternative (going to be deprecated)" based o

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-25 Thread anonymous
Radare INSTALL says "The WAF build system is supossed to replace the ACR one.". This means that ACR is going to be replaced with WAF? In the section "HOW TO COMPILE" there is "Standard way" with configure && make && make install and "Alternative (going to be deprecated)" based on waf. This means t

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-25 Thread pancake
I have been using make(1) and acr(1) for most of my projects for a long while and Im pretty happy with them. But I have to agree that make lacks so many things and it is bloated enought to think on moving to mk(1). Some projects like perl use perl (miniperl) to generate makefiles from simplest

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-25 Thread Armando Di Cianno
David, I worked with the people at Kitware, Inc. for a while (here in beautiful upstate New York), and they wrote and maintain CMake [1]. I believe KDE, IIRC, has used CMake for a while now (which is at least a testament to the complexity it can handle). IMHO, CMake does not have a great syntax,

Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi David, 2010/1/25 David Tweed : > I'm wondering if anyone has had particularly good experiences with any > meta-build system (cmake, etc) in the following circumstances: > > I will have a large codebase which consists of some generic files and > some processor specific files. (I'm not worried ab

[dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system

2010-01-24 Thread David Tweed
Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has had particularly good experiences with any meta-build system (cmake, etc) in the following circumstances: I will have a large codebase which consists of some generic files and some processor specific files. (I'm not worried about OS environent stuff like "has vsnpr