[dev] [patch] sandy

2014-06-29 Thread strake888
>From 62319ce0422af23d2fb3d4f184840d9ac0298778 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: M Farkas-Dyck Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 12:27:27 -0500 Subject: [PATCH 1/5] call endwin on suspend --- sandy.c | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/sandy.c b/sandy.c index 5d049f3..5e519b7 10

Re: [dev] Text-only browser that sucks less?

2014-06-29 Thread Wolfgang Corcoran-Mathe
Quoth Nick on Sun, Jun 29 2014 19:56 -0400: Quoth Wolfgang Corcoran-Mathe: Beyond rendering pages, the biggest challenge seems to me to lie in coming up with a more intelligent method of selecting links than the usual crufty vi/emacs/Lynx-style interfaces. I always liked the way elinks (I thin

Re: [dev] Text-only browser that sucks less?

2014-06-29 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 06/29/14 at 07:56pm, Nick wrote: > Quoth Wolfgang Corcoran-Mathe: > > Beyond rendering pages, the biggest > > challenge seems to me to lie in coming up with a more intelligent > > method of selecting links than the usual crufty vi/emacs/Lynx-style > > interfaces. > > I always liked the way eli

Re: [dev] Text-only browser that sucks less?

2014-06-29 Thread Nick
Quoth Wolfgang Corcoran-Mathe: > Beyond rendering pages, the biggest > challenge seems to me to lie in coming up with a more intelligent > method of selecting links than the usual crufty vi/emacs/Lynx-style > interfaces. I always liked the way elinks (I think) did it, with a numbers mode where y

Re: [dev] [sent] simple presentation tool

2014-06-29 Thread Markus Teich
Dimitris Papastamos wrote: > I use catpoint[0] which depends on curses. I thought about holding presentations in vim or some other terminal app, but the thought of having two colorschemes for my terminal emulator didn't appeal to me that much. I like to not be blinded by high contrast when working

[dev] [sites] footer - change year to 2014

2014-06-29 Thread FRIGN
Hello all, as this change is not possible through the git-repo, I'd like to ask one of the sites-maintainers to change the year in the footer of all suckless.org-pages from 2013 to 2014 inside the werc-template. © 2006-2013 suckless.org community Cheers FRIGN -- FRIGN

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread koneu
I kinda like vile[0]. It's got vi command completion, syntax highlighting, and you can link it statically. By that I mean you can even statically link specific syntax filters and choose to load others dynamically. It also supports multiple terminal frontends and a Xlib frontend. [0] http://invisi

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Charlie Kester
On Sun 29 Jun 2014 at 07:43:36 PDT Aapo Vienamo wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 03:00:32PM +0300, Dimitris Zervas wrote: 2. Fantastic syntax highlighting This may be considered harmfull in general. [0] [0] http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/syntaxhighlighting/ Thank you for this link! I

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 06:13:30PM +0300, Dimitris Zervas wrote: > >Wrap your lines. > I am happy that you break the discussion, every time for the same thing :) Knowing how to write e-mails is a prerequisite to having a discussion.

Re: [dev] Text-only browser that sucks less?

2014-06-29 Thread Wolfgang Corcoran-Mathe
Quoth Teodoro Santoni on Sun, Jun 29 2014 00:57 +0200: though the controls are nice, despite the damn long cheatsheet required, edbrowse will soon suck a lot: it seems that they want to port the whole work to c++, to avoid nuisances (?) with Spidermonkey. That is unfortunate. They also describe

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread patrick295767 patrick295767
I just check kakoune. It isn't very pretty, actually, but has quite some features. Herewith a shot: http://i.imgur.com/b4cbnro.png I still think that the Windows-like is cool, and why not upgrading the C-code of clifreepascal? http://s17.postimg.org/fa4ffpyj3/clifreepascal.png For instance i

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread FRIGN
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:35:20 -0500 M Farkas-Dyck wrote: > Mind: > https://github.com/nsf/termbox/commit/66c3f91b14e24510319bce6b5cc2fecf8cf5abff#commitcomment-3790714 The stupidity is big with this one. I remember reading it, but now that you've brought up again, it shocks me even more. > I us

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Weldon Goree
On 06/29/2014 08:28 PM, Dimitris Papastamos wrote: > > Using curses is pretty much the only option and the most sensible. > There's a small lib for text programming[0] but at the moment is in > its infancy. Some people have mentioned termobox[1] to me but I > have never looked at it. > I don't

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread M Farkas-Dyck
On 29/06/2014, Dimitris Papastamos wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 05:43:36PM +0300, Aapo Vienamo wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 03:00:32PM +0300, Dimitris Zervas wrote: >> > I think that a new text editor must be created, with text interface (and >> > maybe GUI later). > >> No, the current s

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread FRIGN
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:25:13 +0100 Maxime Coste wrote: > Being written in C++11 (and depending on boost until the standard C++ regex > library gets widely available), it will probably not please everyone in the > suckless comunity Best. euphemism. ever. > * Tries to remain quite simple (around

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Maxime Coste
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 03:00:32PM +0300, Dimitris Zervas wrote: > I think that a new text editor must be created, with text interface (and > maybe GUI later). Hello, I have been working on an editor named Kakoune (http://github.com/mawww/kakoune) that provides already a lot of that. Being writ

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Dimitris Zervas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On June 29, 2014 6:07:00 PM EEST, Dimitris Papastamos wrote: >On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 03:18:03PM +0300, Dimitris Zervas wrote: >> I do not agree. >> Why search in all white code for a semicolon or scroll 3 thousand >times to compare code while you c

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread FRIGN
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 15:58:03 +0100 Dimitris Papastamos wrote: > BTW, we have sandy[2] too, which admittedly needs some more love. I love sandy and have been using it for a while! With some more work this could really become a really good editor. -- FRIGN

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Dimitris Zervas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 >> 1. Most vim bindings (not all, but most), just altered a bit in the >way they behave. >Ok, just use vi or vim or some other similar editor. Ok, so you're just telling me to use a particular editor because of the bindings. So you may also use wind

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 03:18:03PM +0300, Dimitris Zervas wrote: > I do not agree. > Why search in all white code for a semicolon or scroll 3 thousand times to > compare code while you can highlight and fold. There is just no reason, It > makes life easier and less prone to errors. Wrap your lin

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 01:24:58PM +0200, patrick295767 patrick295767 wrote: > Hello, > > For many years I have been looking for a lightweight alternative to VIM. > (sthg else than Emacs, elvis, nano,... and all the billion of text editor). > > I was reading the emailed topic "Text-only browser

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Teodoro Santoni
I don't understand if you need a text editor or a programmer's editor. For the prior you'd like acme, tvi, sam. The traditional vi is the one you maybe should try, because it has the same keybinds as vim and doesn't need the mouse like the acme and sam UIs. If you need a programmer's editor... we

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 05:43:36PM +0300, Aapo Vienamo wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 03:00:32PM +0300, Dimitris Zervas wrote: > > I think that a new text editor must be created, with text interface (and > > maybe GUI later). > No, the current situation with terminals and terminal emulators is

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Aapo Vienamo
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 03:00:32PM +0300, Dimitris Zervas wrote: > I think that a new text editor must be created, with text interface (and > maybe GUI later). No, the current situation with terminals and terminal emulators is full of suck and there already many editors utilizing it. As discusse

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 01:35:52PM +0200, Sime Ramov wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 13:24:58 +0200, patrick295767 patrick295767 > wrote: > > Which alternative to VIM would you propose (which would be according > > to the suckless-phylosophy) ? > > nvi, mg. +1 for mg.

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Dimitris Zervas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On June 29, 2014 3:12:34 PM EEST, Sime Ramov wrote: >On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 15:00:32 +0300, Dimitris Zervas > wrote: >> I think that a new text editor must be created, with text interface >> (and maybe GUI later). >> >> [snip] >> >> We NEED a new edito

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread patrick295767 patrick295767
thank you for your great ideas The features that you mention are not a big deal to code. Long time ago, mostly, I have already coded sthg like this in the past, but I have NO windows yet : nwim2. nwim2 features: "I think that the only things we have to implement are: 1. Most vim bindings (not

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Sime Ramov
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 15:00:32 +0300, Dimitris Zervas wrote: > I think that a new text editor must be created, with text interface > (and maybe GUI later). > > [snip] > > We NEED a new editor. No, we do not. We need to learn how to type well, program well, think well and avoid programming language

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Dimitris Zervas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I think that a new text editor must be created, with text interface (and maybe GUI later). I think that the only things we have to implement are: 1. Most vim bindings (not all, but most), just altered a bit in the way they behave. 2. Fantastic syn

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread patrick295767 patrick295767
I am thinking about a sort of cross-platform visual sthg that would look like more like this old good vb (on dos). For the console: http://toastytech.com/guis/textvbdos.png I still believe that the console can be made much nicer (I am working on it, e.g. of clidesk: http://s30.postimg.org/5mai1s

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Sime Ramov
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 13:24:58 +0200, patrick295767 patrick295767 wrote: > Which alternative to VIM would you propose (which would be according > to the suckless-phylosophy) ? nvi, mg. > What about some dos - like editors running on Linux/Bsd,... *nix? ( > Having windowed-look: http://tvision.sour

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Silvan Jegen
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 01:24:58PM +0200, patrick295767 patrick295767 wrote: > Hello, > > For many years I have been looking for a lightweight alternative to VIM. > (sthg else than Emacs, elvis, nano,... and all the billion of text editor). I think there are three alternatives whose features and

Re: [dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread Yury Shvedov
Hello, Pat As I know, VIM - is VI improved, so VI can be consider as lightweight alternative to VIM. What do you thing about it? On 06/29/2014 03:24 PM, patrick295767 patrick295767 wrote: Hello, For many years I have been looking for a lightweight alternative to VIM. (sthg else than Emacs, e

[dev] Plain text editor that sucks less - an alternative to VIM?

2014-06-29 Thread patrick295767 patrick295767
Hello, For many years I have been looking for a lightweight alternative to VIM. (sthg else than Emacs, elvis, nano,... and all the billion of text editor). I was reading the emailed topic "Text-only browser that sucks less" on our list, and herewith the following question: - Which alterna