Re: [dev] [proposal] Suckless Tox-Client as a Skype replacement

2014-03-25 Thread FRIGN
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:37:21 +0100 hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > For IRC in general I would like to use something graphical, but > sometimes I only have ssh, so I've only been using irssi in screen or > tmux so far. ssh is exactly one of the reason why ncurses makes sense. If you design a clie

Re: [dev] [proposal] Suckless Tox-Client as a Skype replacement

2014-03-25 Thread FRIGN
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:11:47 +0100 hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > does it show anywhere the rtp stream setup process including the > hole-punching? Not in the wiki sadly. Read the code. -- FRIGN

Re: [dev][st][patch] new utf decoder

2014-03-25 Thread Silvan Jegen
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 03:40:15PM +0100, Roberto E. Vargas Caballero wrote: > > The new UTF-8 en-/decoder implementation patch is by Damian Okrasa, not by > > me. > > Well, my suggestion was for him (I suck because I didn't explicitily said > who was the listener). > > > If he doesn't mind thou

Re: [dev] [proposal] Suckless Tox-Client as a Skype replacement

2014-03-25 Thread hiro
> IRC client <-> bitlbee <-> tox Ah, so no voice over DCC. But I still don't like my IRC client, so I don't know why you see value in that. Anything interesting on top of sic or ii? For IRC in general I would like to use something graphical, but sometimes I only have ssh, so I've only been

Re: [dev] [proposal] Suckless Tox-Client as a Skype replacement

2014-03-25 Thread hiro
>> XMPP starts with X, so it sucks, and SIP also has it's complexities if >> you want... > > Dude, I have an epiphany right now ... XML, XSLT, X11, Not to take all the credit: learned about the X principle somewhere on cat-v.org (couldn't find it right now).

Re: [dev] [proposal] Suckless Tox-Client as a Skype replacement

2014-03-25 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:11:10 +0100 hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This is not a client for a mass market, but the masses can’t be saved. > Then who are you going to talk to? All the people via compatibility layers. > > voice/video via DCC > Does it work behind NATs. Why is DCC s

Re: [dev] [proposal] Suckless Tox-Client as a Skype replacement

2014-03-25 Thread hiro
> Regarding the RTP stream, it's transported via UDP[0] (as usual). does it show anywhere the rtp stream setup process including the hole-punching?

Re: [dev] [proposal] Suckless Tox-Client as a Skype replacement

2014-03-25 Thread koneu
On March 24, 2014 12:20:49 PM CET, FRIGN wrote: >Dude, I have an epiphany right now ... XML, XSLT, X11, x86

Re: [dev] [proposal] Suckless Tox-Client as a Skype replacement

2014-03-25 Thread FRIGN
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:20:15 +0100 hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sure, most DHT implementations work perfectly for signalling, as long > as there are enough people without NAT helping out. But I don't see > anything about the actual rtp stream there. Does it get sent over DHT, > too? I see that

Re: [dev] [proposal] Suckless Tox-Client as a Skype replacement

2014-03-25 Thread hiro
>> I would still want the application to fall back to using a proxy if >> all hole-punching attempts failed. And what sadly is not obvious to >> the implementers: I would want the applications to DETECT that it >> failed, i.e. when there's no rtp packet for a second you send out some >> standard SI

Re: [dev] [proposal] Suckless Tox-Client as a Skype replacement

2014-03-25 Thread hiro
> I'm bored of discussing XMPP+SIP to be honest, when there are more > interesting things like Tox in the making ;). luckily for you the single implementations in either category differ far more than the protocols+extensions. > Have you checked retroshare? they don't even list udp hole-punching,