Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Edgaras
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 02:26:47PM -0500, Calvin Morrison wrote: > I think the case is this: > > dwm has extremely limited stacking which is less efficient (in terms > of user interaction not computer performance) then i3's tree based > model, which allows substacking quite easily. > > If you us

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Fernando C.V.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Fernando C.V. wrote: > You may want to create a specific layout for your particular case if you need > several > groups of windows overlapped in a specific way different than monocle I just remembered about the deck layout [1], it's another example of a particul

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Fernando C.V.
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote: > If tabbing is just a form of window management, why don't we seperate > all tiling modes into separate programs. I'd say that dwm's monocle layout could already be considered a "tab" mode, since it overlaps several windows (you'd only miss

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Eric Pruitt
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:49:49PM +0100, Markus Teich wrote: > For local terminal multiplexing I find tabbed to be more convenient because of > the simple modifier keybindings instead of the more complex prefix concept of > tmux and screen. In screen, you can use "bindkey" to avoid the issue of p

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Markus Teich
Michael Hauser wrote: > I, myself haven't found a usecase for tabbed yet(most used interfaces: > tmux,dwm,luakit), but perhaps one day; I'll know what tool to look up. For local terminal multiplexing I find tabbed to be more convenient because of the simple modifier keybindings instead of the more

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Markus Teich
Silvan Jegen wrote: > BTW, dwb[1] allows you to open links in new windows (can be bound to a key of > your choosing of course). > > [1] http://portix.bitbucket.org/dwb/ I tried dwb (actually just before switching to surf) for a week, found that it consistently crashed for me when using things lik

Re: tabs (was [dev] Re: Article about suckless on root.cz)

2014-02-17 Thread Markus Teich
sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: > Can you guys describe some life-changing use cases? (or point me to RTF*) Recently I had an idea, but I don't use it yet. I have my dwm keybindings heavily modified and customized to my keyboard layout (neo2). I am only using the letter and function keys(for LCD bac

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:42:22 +0100 Calvin Morrison wrote: > If tabbing is just a form of window management, why don't we seperate > all tiling modes into separate programs. That’s what I thought about once. It would be nice to have this for the GUI handling of separate processes co

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread FRIGN
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 14:26:47 -0500 Calvin Morrison wrote: > dwm has extremely limited stacking which is less efficient (in terms > of user interaction not computer performance) then i3's tree based > model, which allows substacking quite easily. > If you use a tree based model, adding a tabbed m

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Calvin Morrison
I think the case is this: dwm has extremely limited stacking which is less efficient (in terms of user interaction not computer performance) then i3's tree based model, which allows substacking quite easily. If you use a tree based model, adding a tabbed mechanism is trivial, doesn't require any

Re: [dev] Re: tabs

2014-02-17 Thread Calvin Morrison
hiro, fall off a cliff. sincerely, your good friend, best wishes, Calvin

Re: [dev] Re: tabs

2014-02-17 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:49:47 +0100 hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > You could give your tabs domain names so you can find them better. Did > you already upgrade them to IPv6? They have unit files now. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann

Re: [dev] Re: tabs

2014-02-17 Thread hiro
You could give your tabs domain names so you can find them better. Did you already upgrade them to IPv6?

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread FRIGN
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:29:06 -0500 Calvin Morrison wrote: > That is what is clearly not clear. In a group so focused on clarity > and logic, I am amazed by the inability to give a concise answer other > than "it's not my use case, but i'm sure there is one out there > somewhere' Well, our clarit

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:36:46 +0100 Calvin Morrison wrote: > > Nevertheless, I am sure there are use-cases for tabbed I'm not aware of > > yet. > > One thing is clear though: It's not dwm's task to supply tabbing. > > That is what is clearly not clear. In a group so focused on clarity

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Calvin Morrison
> Nevertheless, I am sure there are use-cases for tabbed I'm not aware of > yet. > One thing is clear though: It's not dwm's task to supply tabbing. That is what is clearly not clear. In a group so focused on clarity and logic, I am amazed by the inability to give a concise answer other than "it's

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread FRIGN
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:07:24 -0500 Calvin Morrison wrote: > I seriously doubt that is the main advantage. The main advantage is > efficient use of real estate, but not by showing all windows at all > times. That would be very stupid and very inefficient. And that's why dwm has tags, which in the

Re: [dev] Re: Article about suckless on root.cz

2014-02-17 Thread FRIGN
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 07:57:37 +0100 Martin Kopta wrote: > Next, the forth article will be about surf, so if you have any suggestion on > what to include, please share. Well, surf is a mixed bag. Here's why: Given the web has generally become a toxic environment for suckless software and we're st

[dev] Re: tabs

2014-02-17 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Michael Hauser dixit: >the convenience would be that I don't need to memorize 2 separate ways >of handling windows. As tabs are really just another way of presenting >windows. I’m using “nested” tabs a lot. For example, on the 12″ laptop I’m typing this eMail right now, this is a pine session on

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Calvin Morrison
> If you think of tabs as overlapping windows, the concept seems to > actually conflict with one of the main advantage of tiling WMs, i. e. to > make efficient use of your screen estate by showing all open windows at > all times. I seriously doubt that is the main advantage. The main advantage is

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Silvan Jegen
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:49:54PM -0500, Calvin Morrison wrote: > if you view "tabbing" almost like a dwm layout, it's insane to not > implement it into a window manager. Should all other layouts be in a > subwindow that xembeds? If you think of tabs as overlapping windows, the concept seems to a

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Calvin Morrison
if you view "tabbing" almost like a dwm layout, it's insane to not implement it into a window manager. Should all other layouts be in a subwindow that xembeds? On 17 February 2014 12:25, koneu wrote: > On 02/17/2014 06:21 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote: >> >> What's the rational reason for it to exis

Re: tabs (was [dev] Re: Article about suckless on root.cz)

2014-02-17 Thread Michael Hauser
sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de writes: > Hi, > > This answer by Christoph reminds me of something I wanted to ask: > > * Christoph Lohmann 2014-02-17 17:47 > > For surf you should mention the following points: > > > > * Integration with tabbed. > > I like the generality of the approach -- everithing sh

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Michael Hauser
Calvin Morrison writes: > I'm not sure why tabbed exist when it's a window management feature. > for example i3, a tiling window manager supports tabs as part of it's > stacking methods. (see attachment) > > What's the rational reason for it to exist, other than dwm needs to > stay under x amount

Re: [dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread koneu
On 02/17/2014 06:21 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote: What's the rational reason for it to exist, other than dwm needs to stay under x amount of lines of code? Three words: Modu la rity.

[dev] tabbed - why?

2014-02-17 Thread Calvin Morrison
I'm not sure why tabbed exist when it's a window management feature. for example i3, a tiling window manager supports tabs as part of it's stacking methods. (see attachment) What's the rational reason for it to exist, other than dwm needs to stay under x amount of lines of code? Just wondering,

tabs (was [dev] Re: Article about suckless on root.cz)

2014-02-17 Thread stanio
Hi, This answer by Christoph reminds me of something I wanted to ask: * Christoph Lohmann 2014-02-17 17:47 > For surf you should mention the following points: > > * Integration with tabbed. I like the generality of the approach -- everithing should be embeddable the same way in a container with

Re: [dev] Re: Article about suckless on root.cz

2014-02-17 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:34:35 +0100 Martin Kopta wrote: > Hi guys, > > just wanted to point out my article about Stali [0] which came out today as a > third part of the Suckless series on root.cz. First article was about Suckless > in general [1], second was about dwm [2]. Thanks for

Re: [dev] Re: Article about suckless on root.cz

2014-02-17 Thread Charlie Kester
On Sun 16 Feb 2014 at 22:57:37 PST Martin Kopta wrote: I hope FRIGN, Charlie Kester and sin don't mind that I quoted them in the article. I don't mind. But the comment from me that you quoted gives the misleading impression that I'm some kind of spokesman for the suckless project. I'm not.

Re: [dev] Re: Article about suckless on root.cz

2014-02-17 Thread sin
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 07:57:37AM +0100, Martin Kopta wrote: > Hi guys, > > just wanted to point out my article about Stali [0] which came out today as a > third part of the Suckless series on root.cz. First article was about Suckless > in general [1], second was about dwm [2]. Cool! :)