Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Strake
On 24/05/2013, Random832 wrote: > On 05/24/2013 07:13 PM, Strake wrote: >>> And you spend a day on wikipedia or tvtropes and you've got two hundred >>> HTML viewers open? >> Yes. > > I meant as opposed to the usual dozen. >> The viewer sends a "go" message back to the fetcher, which kills the >> o

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Random832
On 05/24/2013 07:13 PM, Strake wrote: And you spend a day on wikipedia or tvtropes and you've got two hundred HTML viewers open? Yes. I meant as opposed to the usual dozen. The viewer sends a "go" message back to the fetcher, which kills the old viewer and loads the new one, and can keep a UR

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Strake
On 24/05/2013, random...@fastmail.us wrote: > On Fri, May 24, 2013, at 16:02, Strake wrote: >> Yes. A web browser ought to have a component to fetch documents and >> start the appropriate viewer, as in mailcap. The whole monolithic web >> browser model is flawed. > > And you spend a day on wikiped

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread random832
On Fri, May 24, 2013, at 16:02, Strake wrote: > Yes. A web browser ought to have a component to fetch documents and > start the appropriate viewer, as in mailcap. The whole monolithic web > browser model is flawed. And you spend a day on wikipedia or tvtropes and you've got two hundred HTML viewer

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Strake
On 24/05/2013, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote: > There is mime, which can be combined with mailcap in a useful way. Yes. A web browser ought to have a component to fetch documents and start the appropriate viewer, as in mailcap. The whole monolithic web browser model is flawed.

Re: [dev] [dwm] Dvorak programmer keyboard

2013-05-24 Thread Hugues Moretto-Viry
Hi, You can also use keysym instead of the name. On AZERTY, when you press &, it shows: state 0x10, keycode 10 (keysym 0x26, ampersand), Personnally, I use 0x26 and not XK_ampersand -- H.Mo.

Re: [dev] [dwm] Dvorak programmer keyboard

2013-05-24 Thread Thuban
As example, on azerty, 12345 is replaced by &é"'(. Associated keycodes are : XK_ampersand,XK_eacute,XK_quotedbl,XK_apostrophe,XK_parenleft Such things can be found via xev, as it has benn already said. -- ,--. : /` ) Xavier Cartron | `-'http://yeuxdelibad.net \_ signature.asc Descr

Re: [dev] [dwm] Dvorak programmer keyboard

2013-05-24 Thread Szymon Olewniczak
> Use the keys array. If you don't know the name of the keys use xev. xev is the tool what I was looking for. Thanks. Regards, Szymon

Re: [dev] [dwm] Dvorak programmer keyboard

2013-05-24 Thread Hannes Blut
On 24.05.13 at 06:55pm, Szymon Olewniczak wrote: I assign this keys to point to dwm tags. Use the keys array. If you don't know the name of the keys use xev. -- CXblut cxb...@gmail.com #blut on irc.freenode.net @cxblut twitter signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [dev] [dwm] Dvorak programmer keyboard

2013-05-24 Thread Chris Down
On 25 May 2013 00:55, Szymon Olewniczak wrote: > today I decided to switch from i3 to dwm. Nearly > everything works perfectly instead of tags. I using dvorak programmer > keyboard and instad > of 123456789 on the top row of keyboard I have: &[{}(=*)+] . Now how can > I assign this keys to point

[dev] [dwm] Dvorak programmer keyboard

2013-05-24 Thread Szymon Olewniczak
Hi, today I decided to switch from i3 to dwm. Nearly everything works perfectly instead of tags. I using dvorak programmer keyboard and instad of 123456789 on the top row of keyboard I have: &[{}(=*)+] . Now how can I assign this keys to point to dwm tags. Regards, Szymon

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Dmitrij Czarkoff
On May 24, 2013 4:11 PM, "Christian Neukirchen" wrote: > > Types can't be declared properly in Gopher. > > Types can't be declared properly in Unix. There is mime, which can be combined with mailcap in a useful way. Dmitrij D. Czarkoff

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Fri, 24 May 2013 17:44:50 +0200 Nick wrote: > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 08:04:16AM +0200, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote: > > Sanitized HTTP could do. 9p and gopher could do as well. > > No, gopher sucks a lot. Seriously. Look at how its menu / index > system works. It's interesting historic

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Fri, 24 May 2013 17:47:18 +0200 Prakhar Goel wrote: > Anybody take a look at the /browser idea? > > Site:http://blog.ezyang.com/2012/10/get-browser-exe/ As mentioned in the thread before, long ago there was this idea to transmit safe tcl as MIME attachments and make e‐mail r

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Nick dixit: >and hackable base. It's certainly in the interests of many >unpleasant organisations to force people to 'consume web content' in >the way proposed, such that it can't readily be scraped or changed, I think that thing is called “Television”. Not really sure, considering I stopped deal

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 05/24/2013 02:35 PM, Strake wrote: It has saner syntax, too. In special, fewer quotation marks :)

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Strake
On 24/05/2013, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: > On 05/24/2013 02:11 PM, Christian Neukirchen wrote: >> Types can't be declared properly in Unix. > In Unix, filetype are defined on a per file basis. Yes — file type, not data type. > Delimeters in IPC text streams are defined using $IFS. > Rc is hailed

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 05/24/2013 02:11 PM, Christian Neukirchen wrote: Types can't be declared properly in Unix. In Unix, filetype are defined on a per file basis. Delimeters in IPC text streams are defined using $IFS. Rc is hailed exclusively because it makes less use if $IFS. Well, that and the Plan 9 label.

[dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Christian Neukirchen
Bjartur Thorlacius writes: > On 05/24/13 12:02, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote: >> >> That said, I never actually tried to make any serious use of gopher >> (not to mention content creation), so I may be misunderstanding >> it. But even if there is no protocol better then HTTP, it doesn't >> necessarily

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 05/24/13 12:02, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote: That said, I never actually tried to make any serious use of gopher (not to mention content creation), so I may be misunderstanding it. But even if there is no protocol better then HTTP, it doesn't necessarily mean that HTTP is OK. Types can't be d

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Dmitrij Czarkoff
On May 24, 2013 2:36 PM, "Nick" wrote: > It's the web designers who are primarily responsible > for ruining things. And those who pay them. I sincerely believe that any technology lying between non-technical consumers and goods/services providers is deemed to get abused all the possi

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Strake
On 24/05/2013, Nick wrote: > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 02:02:42PM +0200, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote: > Yes. Some site map or apache index style thing that was wholely > standard and couldn't be "styled" would be very useful. Over 9p, this would be the directory structure, so it would come for free.

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Nick
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 02:02:42PM +0200, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote: > Well, I meant the networking part of gopher, not its menu system. Oh good, OK, yes I was refering to its menu system. I don't know anything about how it does networking. > BTW it would be nice to have some syntax-free menu system

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Fernando C.V.
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote: > But even if there is no protocol better then HTTP, it doesn't necessarily > mean that HTTP > is OK. The best possible solution to a particular problem should be OK for the purpose of solving the problem. IMHO, the thing is that multiple

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Dmitrij Czarkoff
On May 24, 2013 11:44 AM, "Nick" wrote: > > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 08:04:16AM +0200, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote: > > Sanitized HTTP could do. 9p and gopher could do as well. > > No, gopher sucks a lot. Seriously. Look at how its menu / index > system works. It's interesting historically, and there ar

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Nick
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:46:58PM +0200, Fernando C.V. wrote: > But then it would also compromise the openness and "hackability" of the web. > I like that I can easily inject my own javascript or css on any > website to make it do what I want, remove whatever advertising or any > sections I don't

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Sebastian Cato
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Prakhar Goel wrote: > Anybody take a look at the /browser idea? > > Site:http://blog.ezyang.com/2012/10/get-browser-exe/ > > -- PG. > > More like GET /browser.js...

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Fernando C.V.
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Prakhar Goel wrote: > Anybody take a look at the /browser idea? > > Site:http://blog.ezyang.com/2012/10/get-browser-exe/ That looks interesting. But then it would also compromise the openness and "hackability" of the web. I like that I can easily inject my own j

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Dmitrij Czarkoff
On May 24, 2013 11:58 AM, "Prakhar Goel" wrote: > > Anybody take a look at the /browser idea? > > Site:http://blog.ezyang.com/2012/10/get-browser-exe/ To me it sounds like "let's make the web so unusable that people will have to abandon it". Dmitrij D. Czarkoff

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Prakhar Goel
Anybody take a look at the /browser idea? Site:http://blog.ezyang.com/2012/10/get-browser-exe/ -- PG.

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Nick
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 08:04:16AM +0200, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote: > Sanitized HTTP could do. 9p and gopher could do as well. No, gopher sucks a lot. Seriously. Look at how its menu / index system works. It's interesting historically, and there are a few interesting gopher sites out there, but if w

Re: [dev] Re: Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Sam Watkins dixit: >Would you rather everyone is exchanging binary word documents >over sun-rpc, or something like that? How about plaintext over ssh, possibly with rsync-over-ssh? That’s Unix. (IMAPS and SMTP also work…) bye, //mirabilos -- > Hi, does anyone sell openbsd stickers by themselv