> > I'd say this qualifies for a move to config.h.
> > I might be back later with a patch for that.
>
> Umm, no. "If you want to use st with x, y, z programs, set this to
> \r, if you want to use a, b, c programs, set \n" is a terrible idea.
>
> Best to figure out what is more correct, do that, and
One of the main suckless devs Uriel did commit suicide not long ago.
Perhaps people here could refrain from saying "kill yourself",
out of respect to him. Or did he talk that way also?
Did the same people spit the dummy, when dwm was ported to Windoze?
There are already tolerable terminals for w
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:00:00PM +0100, Nick wrote:
> Best to figure out what is more correct, do that, and patch any
> applications that do things the wrong way.
I guess other terminals manage this okay, in spite of their faults,
why not check to see what they are doing?
> People use windows because they don't know any better.
If most people are using it, there start to be reasons other than
ignorance. For instance, in legal discovery, we don't have the privilege
of telling the judge: "Sorry, this evidence was generated by people
using lousy software on a lousy O
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:59:46AM -0400, Max DeLiso wrote:
> A) That's stupid
Misguided instead? Very few people who would appreciate a simple
terminal are likely to be using Windows. (I'm one of them.) I doubt
you'll get many competent coders to contribute. (I'm not one of
them.) And it's such a
I'm pretty sure angry people shouting at each other are always in the
minority.
Hey, look, webcomics agree!
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2939
-Nimi
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:25:25AM +0800, Patrick Haller wrote:
> On 2013-04-11 21:17, Carlos Torres wrote:
> > it was there just a little hidden
> > http://git.suckless.org/sites/tree/tools.suckless.org/ii/patches/ii-ipv6.diff
>
> i mean in the ii repo -> http://git.suckless.org/ii
I agree...I t
On 2013-04-11 21:17, Carlos Torres wrote:
> it was there just a little hidden
> http://git.suckless.org/sites/tree/tools.suckless.org/ii/patches/ii-ipv6.diff
i mean in the ii repo -> http://git.suckless.org/ii
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Patrick Haller
<201009-suckl...@haller.ws> wrote:
> On 2013-04-11 20:53, Nico Golde wrote:
>> http://tools.suckless.org/ii/patches/ii-ipv6.diff
>
> Aw fsck. Can we put the patches in the git repo? Either as plain files
> in patches/, or create a branch based on the
On 2013-04-11 20:53, Nico Golde wrote:
> http://tools.suckless.org/ii/patches/ii-ipv6.diff
Aw fsck. Can we put the patches in the git repo? Either as plain files
in patches/, or create a branch based on the commit they diff'd at?
> Please can we try not to be needlessly dramatic and unpleasant here?
>
> The tone of this list gets quite hard to handle sometimes, and seems
> to have been going more in this direction lately.
> I know the prevailing sentiment here is that people should be
> treated with the respect their comme
installing windows takes me less time than reading this wall of text.
go back crying over how bad windows is everyone.
and buy a mac.
Oh, look, how nice, religious wars at dev@suckless, and my favourite
"argument" about Windows being crappy operating system with absolutely
no justification. Religious people never justify their views, I guess.
About the "lock-in": drivers may be the case, but applications can not
be "lock-in". If
> Maybe pasting to st should be fixed too, so when newlines are pasted,
> they are translated to ^M. But '\n' should be copied, otherwise pasting
> to graphical programs is broken.
That's how urxvt does it and this is what my patch originally done
(sort of, translation was in ttywrite while in sho
2013/4/11 Strake
> On 11/04/2013, Max DeLiso wrote:
> > I completely agree that Windows is a legacy OS, but plenty of people are
> > still forced to use it for many legitimate reasons.
>
> Forced? How? At knifepoint?
>
Because of my work. I'm using PL7Pro which only exists on Windows.
Maybe, yo
On Apr 11, 2013 5:04 PM, "Strake" wrote:
>
> On 11/04/2013, Max DeLiso wrote:
> > I completely agree that Windows is a legacy OS, but plenty of people are
> > still forced to use it for many legitimate reasons.
>
> Forced? How? At knifepoint?
Lock-in. Be it device drivers, applications, manageme
On 11/04/2013, Max DeLiso wrote:
> I completely agree that Windows is a legacy OS, but plenty of people are
> still forced to use it for many legitimate reasons.
Forced? How? At knifepoint?
Max DeLiso dixit:
>If windows was totally unusable would it have succeeded in the way that it
Windows® does not have succeeded.
Until and including version 7, it’s brought new people, who IMHO
do not belong in front of a computer except with nōn-root rights
and having hired, say, a student as th
Shouldnt be hard to make a void base-system-minit package. In fact it was using
sysvinit before. There are also musl, static and crosscompilation profiles. Its
just a matter of hands and time :P systemd was chosed at first because it was
replacing about 15 packages and this made the pkg maintain
Hi,
* Patrick <201009-suckl...@haller.ws> [2013-04-08 12:25]:
> Attached is a patch to add IPv6 support to ii, based on where it was as
> of 7a99152ce64d7006730006094b333edbecbe505a
>
> Enjoy, scream, whatever...
hmm?
http://tools.suckless.org/ii/patches/ii-1.7-ssl.diff
Cheers
Nico
tinycore and crux come without systemd
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013, at 10:59, Max DeLiso wrote:
My aim is to create a minimalist terminal emulator for windows. I want
a project whose relationship to the cmd/conhost/csrss triad is
analogous to the relationship between st and xterm/x. I'm going to try
and lift out of st all of the platform agno
On 04/11/13 19:24, Joseph Xu wrote:
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Max DeLiso wrote:
A) That's stupid
B) Therefore OP must be stupid.
I don't think you're stupid, because the few times I've had to use
cmd.exe, I've thought about this myself. But I do think it's a waste of
time. How much do
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Joseph Xu wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Max DeLiso wrote:
>> A) That's stupid
>> B) Therefore OP must be stupid.
>
> I don't think you're stupid, because the few times I've had to use
> cmd.exe, I've thought about this myself. But I do think it's a wa
On 04/11/2013 09:41, Max DeLiso wrote:
If windows was totally unusable would it have succeeded in the way that it
has? Windows is certainly not ideal in any sense but you can't deny its
ongoing success commercially.
Windows (and before it, DOS) was never an example of well-designed
software.
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Max DeLiso wrote:
> A) That's stupid
> B) Therefore OP must be stupid.
I don't think you're stupid, because the few times I've had to use
cmd.exe, I've thought about this myself. But I do think it's a waste of
time. How much do you use the console in Windows? Ver
Greetings.
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:22:22 +0200 Nick wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:45:48PM -0400, Jacob Todd wrote:
>
> The tone of this list gets quite hard to handle sometimes, and seems
> to have been going more in this direction lately.
No, that’s due to the people entering this list.
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:00:00PM +0100, Nick wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:25:46PM +0200, Martti Kühne wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Carlos Torres wrote:
> > > this is a funny patch. it must have been about 1 to 2 months ago that
> > > there was another discussion about past
> Really depends how you define
Kill yourself.
-sl
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Nick wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:45:48PM -0400, Jacob Todd wrote:
>> Kill yourself.
>
> Please can we try not to be needlessly dramatic and unpleasant here?
>
seconding this! It's juvenile and counterproductive.
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:46 PM, wrote:
>> The web is the future of computing, that much is evident.
>
> The web is not even the present of computing. Most humans
> access the Internet using custom clients ("apps") on mobile
> devices.
Really depends how you define web doesn't it? If by web you
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:45:48PM -0400, Jacob Todd wrote:
> Kill yourself.
Please can we try not to be needlessly dramatic and unpleasant here?
The tone of this list gets quite hard to handle sometimes, and seems
to have been going more in this direction lately.
I know the prevailing sentiment
> The web is the future of computing, that much is evident.
The web is not even the present of computing. Most humans
access the Internet using custom clients ("apps") on mobile
devices.
-sl
Kill yourself.
On Apr 11, 2013 12:42 PM, "Max DeLiso" wrote:
> On Apr 11, 2013 11:54 AM, "Christoph Lohmann" <2...@r-36.net> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings.
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:48:11 +0200 Max DeLiso
> wrote:
> > > I know what you're probably thinking.
> > >
> > > A) That's stupid
> >
> > W
On Apr 11, 2013 11:54 AM, "Christoph Lohmann" <2...@r-36.net> wrote:
>
> Greetings.
>
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:48:11 +0200 Max DeLiso wrote:
> > I know what you're probably thinking.
> >
> > A) That's stupid
>
> Windows is the reason why we lack behind in software development by more
> than 20 yea
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:25:46PM +0200, Martti Kühne wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Carlos Torres wrote:
> > this is a funny patch. it must have been about 1 to 2 months ago that
> > there was another discussion about pasting to other apps and thats
> > when that carrige return appea
Greetings.
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:48:11 +0200 Max DeLiso wrote:
> I know what you're probably thinking.
>
> A) That's stupid
Windows is the reason why we lack behind in software development by more
than 20 years. Software is unusable, proprietary and programmers are
taught that things sho
> Anyway, pancake's contributing to voidlinux so I'll try void. Any other
> good rolling release distros?
>From the voidlinux page:
Speed, reliability, and flexibility. That's the battle-cry of today's
disgruntled computer geeks. This is what people want with a Linux
distribution, and this is wha
On Apr 11, 2013 11:23 AM, "Martti Kühne" wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Max DeLiso wrote:
> >
> > Well it does add an extra layer of abstraction which could be a source
of
> > bugs. Also that would make contributing significantly more difficult
for the
> > Windows people.
>
>
> Peopl
On 04/11/13 17:23, Martti Kühne wrote:
Never did that. Thanks for the heads-up, although I was already under
the impression that on windows nothing at all can be debugged,
because, well, where's the fucking source to anything?
who needs the source to debug anything?
You might me interested in ConEmu
http://code.google.com/p/conemu-maximus5/
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Carlos Torres wrote:
> this is a funny patch. it must have been about 1 to 2 months ago that
> there was another discussion about pasting to other apps and thats
> when that carrige return appeared. and now there is a patch to revert
> that back...lol this is gre
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Max DeLiso wrote:
>
> Well it does add an extra layer of abstraction which could be a source of
> bugs. Also that would make contributing significantly more difficult for the
> Windows people.
People use windows because they don't know any better. They don't even
this is a funny patch. it must have been about 1 to 2 months ago that
there was another discussion about pasting to other apps and thats
when that carrige return appeared. and now there is a patch to revert
that back...lol this is great, i look forward to another patch that
takes it back to \r :)
On 04/11/13 17:13, Max DeLiso wrote:
On Apr 11, 2013 11:05 AM, "Martti Kühne" mailto:mysat...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> What are you writing C++ code if you could use Xming or even cygwin to
> just compile the actual st on windows?
Well it does add an extra layer of abstraction which could be a
On Apr 11, 2013 11:05 AM, "Martti Kühne" wrote:
>
> What are you writing C++ code if you could use Xming or even cygwin to
> just compile the actual st on windows?
Well it does add an extra layer of abstraction which could be a source of
bugs. Also that would make contributing significantly more
What are you writing C++ code if you could use Xming or even cygwin to
just compile the actual st on windows?
I know what you're probably thinking.
A) That's stupid
B) Therefore OP must be stupid.
But wait for just one second!
The state of the command prompt on windows is a mess. There are several
massive, tangled, bug-ridden, and crufty subsystems which must interact in
multiple ways in order to make i
This patch makes behaviour consistent with xterm and comments.
diff --git a/st.c b/st.c
index 93058b9..90c102e 100644
--- a/st.c
+++ b/st.c
@@ -790,7 +790,7 @@ selcopy(void) {
}
/* \n at the end of every selected line except for the
last one */
2013/4/11 Patrick Haller <201009-suckl...@haller.ws>
> Anyway, pancake's contributing to voidlinux so I'll try void. Any other
> good rolling release distros?
>
Didn't know it. I'll give it a try. Thank you.
--
H.Moretto
* Patrick Haller <201009-suckl...@haller.ws> [2013-04-11 04:30]:
On 2013-04-10 13:13, William Giokas wrote:
There are extremely strong technical arguments for using systemd as a
simple, easy to use and easy to configure initialization system.
systemd trades simplicity for boot-speed and stack
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