Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > in the end, it doesn't matter which one you run, because you are using > wmii, and nothing will ever work correctly anyway.  switch to a > maintained window manager and then worry about which bloated pile of > unreliable garbage you'd like t

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Patrick Haller
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 07:34:48PM +0100, Benoit Chesneau wrote: > > What would you choose for a really minimal OS? arch linux, rolling binary releases reduce maintenance time. what do you want a minimal os for? Patrick

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Jens Staal
another alternative is 9vx http://swtch.com/9vx/ and then tcere is the 9vx + Tiny Core linux distribution (Tvx) http://tinycorelinux.com/forum/index.php?topic=6026.0 2011/2/12 Stanley Lieber : >> I never had a computer that could run plan9 without a couple hundred >> issues, so I still have

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Brandon LaRocque
Thanks, Andrei. Will give it a look. I've only ever heard it spoke it in passing. Guess I should give it a run, just to see. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Andrei wrote: > Hello Brandon, > I believe CRUX did have some influence on Arch but the latter has nothing to > do with CRUX. The differen

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Andrei
Hello Brandon, I believe CRUX did have some influence on Arch but the latter has nothing to do with CRUX. The difference consists in different package managers (pacman vs pkgutils) although pacman is somewhat similar to CRUX's pkgutils, ports-like package management, where one would download the s

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Rob
Arch doesn't sign its packages, but I still use it, can't be bothered switching to be honest. Rob.

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Brandon LaRocque
Wasn't CRUX the biggest influence on the creation of Arch? I could be wrong. I haven't used it, though. What's the difference between it and Arch? It's one of the distros one doesn't really hear much about, from what I've seen. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Andrei wrote: > evening, > I'd sugge

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Andrei
evening, I'd suggest CRUX, http://crux.nu - It doesn't do any hand holding and it has a simple package manager similar to BSD ports. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:45 PM, v4hn wrote: > evening, > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 04:35:31PM -0500, Claudiu Bucur wrote: > > it [gentoo] has been my closest exp

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread v4hn
evening, On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 04:35:31PM -0500, Claudiu Bucur wrote: > it [gentoo] has been my closest experience to what > i imagine "linux from scratch" would be like. You should try Lunar (lunar-linux.org) or SourceMage (sourcemage.org) then. Those systems _are_ LFS with a couple of bash sc

[dev] surf question

2011-02-11 Thread Claudiu Bucur
I have recently tried and compared surf with uzbl. surf is much snapier and manages all google related websites like a charm. the biggest drawback that i find is its inability to remember passwords or usernames as I type them into websites. this sort of negates its snappiness since i have to re-typ

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Brandon LaRocque
Thanks. Will give this a look. *salute* On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Stanley Lieber wrote: >> I never had a computer that could run plan9 without a couple hundred >> issues, so I still haven't been able to take the time to learn it, > > In case anyone is interested, I've uploaded a couple of

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Benjamin Cathey
AHhh HahahahHAHAHAHahaha On 02/11/2011 05:26 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: well, as long as we're all just spouting crap gentoo is a pile of shit suitable only for children. where is that guy who couldn't change cursors because of gentoo's "optimizations"? he should chime in. archlinux is just gent

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Stanley Lieber
> I never had a computer that could run plan9 without a couple hundred > issues, so I still haven't been able to take the time to learn it, In case anyone is interested, I've uploaded a couple of pre-installed Plan 9 qemu images here: http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/qemu -sl

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread ilf
On 02-11 17:26, Kurt H Maier wrote: well, as long as we're all just spouting crap I was wondering where Uriel is hiding from TT. -- ilf Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg! -- Eine Initiative des Bundesamtes für Tastaturbenutzung signature

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Brandon LaRocque
I never had a computer that could run plan9 without a couple hundred issues, so I still haven't been able to take the time to learn it, unfortunately. I usually stick to Funtoo, Gentoo, or OpenBSD - if I'm not using Windows 7 (I know, I know - this is the Suckless mailing list ;D). But that's me.

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Kurt H Maier
well, as long as we're all just spouting crap gentoo is a pile of shit suitable only for children. where is that guy who couldn't change cursors because of gentoo's "optimizations"? he should chime in. archlinux is just gentoo but less well maintained. debian is a bloated monstrosity -- anyone

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Claudiu Bucur
gentoo is as minimal as you can get or as complex as you want. you compile everything locally, with the help of the portage repository (even the kernel). it has been my closest experience to what i imagine "linux from scratch" would be like. also, the gentoo boards are the most active i have seen.

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Stanley Lieber
> About that is there any good resource to learn plan9 ? http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9 -sl

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: > Just pick a unix and drawterm to a plan 9 box. That what I want to do in coming days, having a minimal unix to do my work and use remote resources. Just need to choose one :) About that is there any good resource to learn plan9 ? - benoit

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Aurélien Aptel
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Claudiu Bucur wrote: > i use wmii on both gentoo and ubuntu. > gentoo is really good for my desktops, very good for optimizing everything > ubuntu is quick for my netbooks (very quick boot time as well since 10.10) hm. so gentoo is not good at optimizing everythin

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Claudiu Bucur
i use wmii on both gentoo and ubuntu. gentoo is really good for my desktops, very good for optimizing everything (if you are into that). ubuntu is quick for my netbooks (very quick boot time as well since 10.10) On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: > Just pick a unix and drawterm

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Jacob Todd
Just pick a unix and drawterm to a plan 9 box.

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Sean Howard wrote: > I use OpenBSD. It can grow quickly if you want it to, and it can be > run on a VAX if you want it to. > > What performance need do you have that makes OpenBSD not worth it? > > When I am going to be throwing a system together without OpenBSD th

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Justin Pogue
I generally tend to go for Archlinux, because its pretty simple to set up a very lightweight system right out of the box, and the rolling release means that I never have to reinstall or deal with a huge update. I've never had any stability issues with it personally, but it does happen, particularl

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Anders Andersson
Debian, every time. Now is a good time since they just released a new "stable". Last stable I installed took 10MB of memory with a normal non-gui boot, with bash loaded up and everything. Good enough for me. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Sean Howard wrote: > I use OpenBSD. It can grow quickly

Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Sean Howard
I use OpenBSD. It can grow quickly if you want it to, and it can be run on a VAX if you want it to. What performance need do you have that makes OpenBSD not worth it? When I am going to be throwing a system together without OpenBSD then I tend to use Debian. --Sean On 11 February 2011 13:34, Be

[dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Benoit Chesneau
Hi all, I've started these days to use wmii on ubuntu, previously I was using cwm on openbsd,but for some technical reason (smp, & performance need) I need to choose another OS. I would like to use this weekend to rethink my system and remove most of the tools i don't need but I'm undecided. What