Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread David Tweed
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:27 AM, David Tweed wrote: >> "obviously safe machine code" > > hahahahahah Would you care to elaborate on this? The compilation problem is asymmetric: there's going to be lots of code sequences that are in fact inno

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:27 AM, David Tweed wrote: > "obviously safe machine code" hahahahahah -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread David Tweed
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Will Light wrote: > yeah, I'm aware that the stuff exists.  just earlier today I was doing > quite a bit of fiddling around with the current version of audiotool > (http://www.audiotool.com/), and it's pretty cool.  the potential is > definitely there, but the poin

Re: [dev] Convert Suckless Projects Documentation to a More Simple Language

2010-06-16 Thread Rob
Galactic Basic, you fools. How the hell do you expect any other language to be be understood by anyone other you and your anime-figurines? You've all got about as much foresight as Jabba the Hutt when he put Leia right next to him with a big-ass chain. Freakin' nerf herders...

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Will Light
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 9:34 AM, David Tweed wrote: > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Will Light wrote: >>  but the notion of a browser-based terminal >> for a local machine just seems ridiculous...and that's a mild example! >>  a browser-based music sequencer or video editor, for example, is so

Re: [dev] Convert Suckless Projects Documentation to a More Simple Language

2010-06-16 Thread Anders Andersson
I will suggest Japanese because eveRYTHING ABOUHT JAPAN IS BESTOMGOMGPONIESKAWAIII

Re: [dev] Convert Suckless Projects Documentation to a More Simple Language

2010-06-16 Thread Samuel Baldwin
I'm find of the Black Speech myself. It's concise, simple, and speaks with power: Ash nazg durbatulûk... = One ring to rule them all... Brusizg nar salium = I have no life Ghashnum Mor kulat shum lapus = The Black Speech is very "metal" Plus it's related to Elvish so being trilingual will be easy

Re: [dev] Convert Suckless Projects Documentation to a More Simple Language

2010-06-16 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
Klingon. The rules suck less. There are nouns, and there are verbs. All the rest is chumvey. Left-overs, for you smooth-heads. On 16 Jun 2010, at 22:06, Matthew Bauer wrote: sarcasm=1 I suggest converting suckless project documentation to a more simple language, such as Esperanto. English

Re: [dev] Convert Suckless Projects Documentation to a More Simple Language

2010-06-16 Thread pancake
Toki Pona is the only way On Jun 16, 2010, at 11:06 PM, Matthew Bauer wrote: sarcasm=1 I suggest converting suckless project documentation to a more simple language, such as Esperanto. English does not follow the Unix philosophy or the KISS principles. The English language is old, bloated,

Re: [dev] Convert Suckless Projects Documentation to a More Simple Language

2010-06-16 Thread Moritz Wilhelmy
> Esperanto suffers from being a spoken language, and designed for > the laity, no less. I suggest we simply write in the language of > mathematics. Or lisp. The language of mathematics sucks less? You gotta be kidding. it suffers from even more bloat and modification and syntax inconsistencies

Re: [dev] Convert Suckless Projects Documentation to a More Simple Language

2010-06-16 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Kurt H Maier dixit (2010-06-16, 18:02): > Lojban is a decadent bourgeois luxury. Interlingua is the staff of > the proletariat. Interlingua is sweet. I volunteer for proofreading the translated texts. -- [a]

Re: [dev] Convert Suckless Projects Documentation to a More Simple Language

2010-06-16 Thread Kurt H Maier
Lojban is a decadent bourgeois luxury. Interlingua is the staff of the proletariat. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] Convert Suckless Projects Documentation to a More Simple Language

2010-06-16 Thread Kris Maglione
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 04:06:50PM -0500, Matthew Bauer wrote: sarcasm=1 I suggest converting suckless project documentation to a more simple language, such as Esperanto. English does not follow the Unix philosophy or the KISS principles. The English language is old, bloated, and outdated. Much

Re: [dev] Convert Suckless Projects Documentation to a More Simple Language

2010-06-16 Thread Jason Ryan
English does not follow the Unix philosophy or the KISS principles. The English language is old, bloated, and outdated. Much of the grammar is more complicated than it needs to be. Surely txtspk would be a better choice, given your concerns? http://jasonwryan.com/

Re: [dev] Convert Suckless Projects Documentation to a More Simple Language

2010-06-16 Thread Niki Yoshiuchi
Esperanto is to Euro-centric and uses ambiguous grammar. We should use Lojban. On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Matthew Bauer wrote: > sarcasm=1 > > I suggest converting suckless project documentation to a more simple > language, such as Esperanto. > English does not follow the Unix philosophy

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Matthew Bauer
But yet we still use X11. X11 release date: September 1987 On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:35:57PM -0500, Matthew Bauer wrote: > > Wouldn't porting the Plan9 window system (rio I think) to Linux be a good > > replacement for X? > > Not really

[dev] Convert Suckless Projects Documentation to a More Simple Language

2010-06-16 Thread Matthew Bauer
sarcasm=1 I suggest converting suckless project documentation to a more simple language, such as Esperanto. English does not follow the Unix philosophy or the KISS principles. The English language is old, bloated, and outdated. Much of the grammar is more complicated than it needs to be. A constr

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 16 Jun 2010, at 17:34, David Tweed wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Will Light wrote: but the notion of a browser-based terminal for a local machine just seems ridiculous...and that's a mild example! a browser-based music sequencer or video editor, for example, is so far off th

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:35:57PM -0500, Matthew Bauer wrote: > Wouldn't porting the Plan9 window system (rio I think) to Linux be a good > replacement for X? Not really, we don't live in the 80s anymore ;) Though certain aspects of rio are definately worth being considered in a new window syste

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Matthew Bauer
Wouldn't porting the Plan9 window system (rio I think) to Linux be a good replacement for X? -- Matthew Bauer

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread David Tweed
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Will Light wrote: >  but the notion of a browser-based terminal > for a local machine just seems ridiculous...and that's a mild example! >  a browser-based music sequencer or video editor, for example, is so > far off that it's just impractical. Just to provide so

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 15 Jun 2010, at 23:33, Connor Lane Smith wrote: On 15 June 2010 14:05, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On 15 Jun 2010, at 12:51, Connor Lane Smith wrote: In my opinion the problem is purely user experience: Is this your opinion, or lines you've been fed? My own, strangely enough. UX is on

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > You're seriously claiming that psychology doesn't come into an > individual's interaction with tools? Have you ever read anything on > psychology? Yup. And you're overstating the importance of inappropriate application of a masturbatory

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Mate Nagy
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 01:28:28PM +0100, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Vi is a modal clusterfuck. I mean, the crazy shit that thing does? > It's different on every machine. Even Bill Joy doesn't use vi anymore. vi[m] is awesome (also most popular programmer's editor) if you dismiss vi (and especial

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 16 June 2010 12:39, Kurt H Maier wrote: > There's no 'psychological interaction' > with computers, unless the user is profoundly insane. You're seriously claiming that psychology doesn't come into an individual's interaction with tools? Have you ever read anything on psychology? > the fact th

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Think of it more as how the user > interacts with the software, not on a graphical level but a > psychological one. Are you listening to yourself? There's no 'psychological interaction' with computers, unless the user is profoundly ins

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 16 June 2010 11:41, Jakub Lach wrote: >  Anselm R Garbe napisał(a): >> The point is we should design user interfaces for >> ourselves, not for Apple users ;) > > Like Rob Pike? :P Indeed.

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Jakub Lach
Anselm R Garbe napisał(a): > The point is we should design user interfaces for > ourselves, not for Apple users ;) Like Rob Pike? :P regards, - Jakub Lach

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Robert Ransom
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:26:28 +0100 Connor Lane Smith wrote: > On 16 June 2010 00:44, Robert Ransom wrote: > > Try

Re: [dev] dwm 5.8.2 patches

2010-06-16 Thread v4hn
> On 15 June 2010 18:04, v4hn wrote: > > dwm-5.8.2 $ cat ../dwm-5.8.2-bstack.diff \ > >                ../dwm-5.8.2-fibonacci.diff \ > >                ../dwm-5.8.2-gridmode.diff \ > >                ../dwm-5.8.2-monocle_count.diff \ > >                ../dwm-5.8.2-pertag_without_bar.diff | patch

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 16 June 2010 08:42, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > I wouldn't say that careful user interface consideration results in > sam or acme necessarily. I tried to adapt acme for quite a long time > some years ago; and always felt uncomfortable. This doesn't mean that > they don't work for others though. De

Re: [dev] Interesting post about X11

2010-06-16 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 16 June 2010 05:02, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > On 16 June 2010 02:32, Kurt H Maier wrote: >> Using the term 'user experience' at all, much less abbreviating it >> 'UX,' is every bit as snotty.  A lot of programmers don't give a shit >> about 'user experience' because they are competent users o