Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread pancake
Sent from my iPod On Sep 9, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Pinocchio wrote: On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 01:37:58 -0700, frederic wrote: Of course it has to be totally incompatible with the current "web stack", browser included. It can be quite a problem for wide acceptance; the majority of "web users"

Re: [dev] [surf] patches: configurable file locations, bookmark writer, history writer

2009-09-08 Thread pancake
Why not spawn a process instead of appending the URL to a file.. Sthg like .cmd="echo '%s' >> bookmarks" But i have the feeling that URL and title will be better accesible from the environment instead of formatstring. In this way I will be able to spawn another surf opening the location o

Re: [dev] slides with troff (was: Talk about sane web browsers)

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
Ok, I put this together in five min while sleep deprived, but I think it still should be enough to get you started: http://repo.cat-v.org/troff-slider/ Enjoy. uriel On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Charlie Kester wrote: > On Tue 08 Sep 2009 at 10:38:26 PDT markus schnalke wrote: >> >> [2009-09-0

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Pinocchio
On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 01:37:58 -0700, frederic wrote: Of course it has to be totally incompatible with the current "web stack", browser included. It can be quite a problem for wide acceptance; the majority of "web users" today are, I think, not computer literates. It doesn't need wide accept

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Donald Allen wrote: >> Unless and until that happens, I want no part of this. > > can you maybe whine about uriel on livejournal or somewhere else that > doesn't require me to actively filter your mail > Twitter,

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Pinocchio wrote: > Of course, your work on http 0.2 seems to be comprehensive. A suckless > browser should attempt to incorporate http 0.2 once its ready for adoption. > Did you think about adopting just a sane subset of HTTP/1.1 has HTTP 0.2 or > did you find HTTP/1

[dev] [surf] patches: configurable file locations, bookmark writer, history writer

2009-09-08 Thread Ray Kohler
I have 3 patches for surf: config_file_locs: Makes all file and directory locations that surf writes to into config.def.h variables. The other two patches depend on this one. write_bookmarks: Adds a function to append the current URI to a (compile-time-defined) file. Default config binds it to MO

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Pinocchio
On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:08:23 -0700, Uriel wrote: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Pinocchio wrote: On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 03:26:05 -0700, frederic wrote: On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:51:46 +0200, Uriel wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Pinocchio wrote: A few months ago lobobrowser.org caugh

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Donald Allen wrote: > Unless and until that happens, I want no part of this. can you maybe whine about uriel on livejournal or somewhere else that doesn't require me to actively filter your mail thanks -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread hiro
> There was no personal offense; I haven't been part of the discussion, > fortunately. But why do you bother responding to this guy at all? > Anyone who deals with people as he does does not deserve a response. > Responding to him continues the discussion, pollutes the list, and > offends people li

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Aurélien Aptel wrote: > I also like Uriel's madness. His rants are always exaggerated, and as > said Anselm you don't have to take them too seriously. > He's just a cute troll (and you know the saying). > "Uriel, the suckless Tough Guy, filled with anger and liquid

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Donald Allen wrote: > There was no personal offense; I haven't been part of the discussion, > fortunately. But why do you bother responding to this guy at all? > Anyone who deals with people as he does does not deserve a response. > Responding to him continues the d

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Aurélien Aptel
I also like Uriel's madness. His rants are always exaggerated, and as said Anselm you don't have to take them too seriously. He's just a cute troll (and you know the saying). "Uriel, the suckless Tough Guy, filled with anger and liquid shit" On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Donald Allen wrote: > O

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Donald Allen
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > 2009/9/8 Donald Allen : >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >>> 2009/9/8 Donald Allen : On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, markus schnalke wrote: > [2009-09-08 01:16] Uriel >> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM, mar

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Guy
Don, Uriel's rants are not only informative (sometimes), they're usually fcking hilarious. Lighten up, Donald. Uriel, Keep 'em coming; screw these Gnome lovin' fgz. Guy On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Donald Allen wrote: > I think your concern is appropriate. Why anyone puts up with Uriel's >

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/9/8 Donald Allen : > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> 2009/9/8 Donald Allen : >>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, markus schnalke wrote: [2009-09-08 01:16] Uriel > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM, markus schnalke wrote: > > > > Read my slides, > >>>

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Donald Allen
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > 2009/9/8 Donald Allen : >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, markus schnalke wrote: >>> [2009-09-08 01:16] Uriel On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM, markus schnalke wrote: > > Read my slides, I would read them, if they were

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread markus schnalke
[2009-09-08 17:05] Donald Allen > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, markus schnalke wrote: > > > > ... but maybe, better don't read them. I'm worried about you're > > health.  ;-) sorry: s/you're/your/ > I think your concern is appropriate. Why anyone puts up with Uriel's > disgusting, offensive,

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/9/8 Donald Allen : > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, markus schnalke wrote: >> [2009-09-08 01:16] Uriel >>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM, markus schnalke wrote: >>> > >>> > Read my slides, >>> >>> I would read them, if they were written in the standard language used >>> by the software indu

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Donald Allen
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, markus schnalke wrote: > [2009-09-08 01:16] Uriel >> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM, markus schnalke wrote: >> > >> > Read my slides, >> >> I would read them, if they were written in the standard language used >> by the software industry (and the internet as a whole

Re: [dev] slides with troff (was: Talk about sane web browsers)

2009-09-08 Thread Charlie Kester
On Tue 08 Sep 2009 at 10:38:26 PDT markus schnalke wrote: [2009-09-08 01:20] Uriel I have always used troff to generate really nice 4:3 landscape slides, but that is on Plan 9, I should put my macros and some examples in http://repo.cat-v.org but it really is not rocket science. Please do so

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread markus schnalke
[2009-09-08 01:16] Uriel > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM, markus schnalke wrote: > > > > Read my slides, > > I would read them, if they were written in the standard language used > by the software industry (and the internet as a whole). People that > write stuff in marginal historical languages

Re: [dev] slides with troff (was: Talk about sane web browsers)

2009-09-08 Thread markus schnalke
[2009-09-08 01:20] Uriel > > I have always used troff to generate really nice 4:3 landscape slides, > but that is on Plan 9, I should put my macros and some examples in > http://repo.cat-v.org but it really is not rocket science. Please do so. meillo signature.asc Description: Digital signat

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
This discussion has become too silly even for the ministry of silly mailing list discussions. uriel On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > 2009/9/8 Uriel : >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >>> So you judge about things you believe you have superior clue ab

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > So you judge about things you believe you have superior clue about, > then go ahead and do us a favor and build a decent web browser that we > can all be happy with. Blah, blah, blah, irrelevant nonsequitour. > As I said very often to you: t

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/9/8 Uriel : > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> So you judge about things you believe you have superior clue about, >> then go ahead and do us a favor and build a decent web browser that we >> can all be happy with. > > Blah, blah, blah, irrelevant nonsequitour. > >> As

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/9/8 Uriel : > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> 2009/9/8 Uriel : >>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: I think it is clear that the existing web stack can't be implemented in a less sucking way. >>> >>> This is ridiculous, are you saying t

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > 2009/9/8 Uriel : >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >>> I think it is clear that the existing web stack can't be implemented >>> in a less sucking way. >> >> This is ridiculous, are you saying that a web rendering engin

Re: [dev][dwm] Matlab (2008b) and tiling

2009-09-08 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Szabolcs Nagy dixit (2009-09-08, 13:44): > i occasionally tried to use matlab from cmdline (matlab -nodisplay or > matlab -nodesktop -nosplash) but the terminal handling of the > interpreter is horrible (no readline support) Try rlwrap next time you have an occasion. It usually works quite well w

Re: [dev][dwm] Matlab (2008b) and tiling

2009-09-08 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
On 9/8/09, Zhengning Jiang wrote: > love how dwm tiles the my matlab windows (debug, code, help). But the > problems starts if i run matlab code > which creates its own window (e.g. ... figure; imshow(plot);). All the other > windows break out of the tiling window order. > The result is 1 tiled wi

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-08 Thread pancake
Because there is only one Tex and many browsers. If you stick on a single browser you can perfectly control that rendering. What about adding printing functionalitoes to surf? A non interactive mode could be used to generate a PDF for presentations. Btw in PDF happens sometimes the same that in

[dev][dwm] Matlab (2008b) and tiling

2009-09-08 Thread Zhengning Jiang
Hi, i wonder if you guys know a fix for my problem. I use matlab with dwm a lot and i just love how dwm tiles the my matlab windows (debug, code, help). But the problems starts if i run matlab code which creates its own window (e.g. ... figure; imshow(plot);). All the other windows break out of th

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/9/8 Uriel : > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> I think it is clear that the existing web stack can't be implemented >> in a less sucking way. > > This is ridiculous, are you saying that a web rendering engine can't > suck less than webkit or geko? Are you fucking kiddi

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread frederic
* defining a protocol that would play the role of HTTP, I don't think that would be necessary. HTTP is okay. Good enough versus Right. An old story. It is true it isn't that bad, but it needs some cleanup. Of course it has to be totally incompatible with the current "web stack", browser in

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > 2009/9/8 Uriel : >> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM, markus schnalke wrote: >>> The point is: It is simply not possible to have sane web browsers. But >>> you both come to bad results IMO. >>> >>> Uriel says: Okay, so we'll not have a sane web

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/9/8 Uriel : > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM, markus schnalke wrote: >> The point is: It is simply not possible to have sane web browsers. But >> you both come to bad results IMO. >> >> Uriel says: Okay, so we'll not have a sane web browsers, thus we use >> one of the bad ones or better don't

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 01:16:10 +0200 Uriel wrote: > No, I'm saying that I wish people would write or help write a browser > that sucks less. My point is that adding a coat of paint on top of an > existing browser (>90% of the browser is the rendering/js/etc. engine) > is not the same as writing that