Re: Using git forks

2025-01-07 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
One more thing I just noticed. When I use the Github editor to make small changes to a file directly in my browser as I did in https://github.com/apache/maven-site/pull/629 and many other PRs, especially ones focused on docs, it offers me the option to edit master directly or create a branch, not a

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-06 Thread Sylwester Lachiewicz
pon., 6 sty 2025 o 20:26 Manfred Moser napisał(a): > > On 2025-01-06 11:00 a.m., Sylwester Lachiewicz wrote: > > One important thing here is that Maven is not a single repo but has more > > than 100 repos. > > If I fork all repos then I need to sync forks. > > You only need to sync and maintain f

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-06 Thread Manfred Moser
On 2025-01-06 11:00 a.m., Sylwester Lachiewicz wrote: One important thing here is that Maven is not a single repo but has more than 100 repos. If I fork all repos then I need to sync forks. You only need to sync and maintain forks of what you are working on .. not all repos. Also in my f

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-06 Thread Sylwester Lachiewicz
One important thing here is that Maven is not a single repo but has more than 100 repos. If I fork all repos then I need to sync forks. Also in my forks - Dependabot will push branches and PRs. Run GHAk tests on my fork also. So we have lots of notifications - not only to Maven dev/commit lists bu

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-06 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 4:56 PM Manfred Moser wrote: > > Abandoned and even used personal branches cause overhead for everyone > who works on that repo or a fork of it. Exactly what overhead is that? Seriously, I don't see it. > Also note.. that using a personal fork is the only way to guarantee

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-06 Thread Andy Law
+1 from me (not that my opinion should count for much here) From: Manfred Moser Date: Monday, 6 January 2025 at 16:51 To: dev@maven.apache.org Subject: Re: Using git forks This email was sent to you by someone outside the University. You should only click on links or attachments if you are

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-06 Thread Manfred Moser
Abandoned and even used personal branches cause overhead for everyone who works on that repo or a fork of it. They are personal branches.. so they should be in personal forks.. Also note.. that using a personal fork is the only way to guarantee that the branch is under your control. If you use

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-06 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
Well, it's not like abandoned branches cost anything significant, but as someone else suggested if there's no activity after N months and there are no open PRs on the branch, then delete them. No biggie. On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 4:02 PM Tamás Cservenák wrote: > > Howdy, > > This is all nice and dan

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-06 Thread Manfred Moser
Hi all, Let me chime in as Maven committer (mostly inactive but involved on various external fronts) and core maintainer of Trino. Trino had over 200 separate contributors in our repo in 2024. We only have about a dozen maintainers and none of us really has the time to worry about branches in

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-06 Thread Tamás Cservenák
Howdy, This is all nice and dandy with you explaining how things are done in companies, but this is NOT one of them, this is an open source project. Somewhere in the future, when you are gone from the project, NOBODY will know what these branches are for (unless they do some archaeology explorati

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-06 Thread Tamás Cservenák
Howdy, And I guess fixing the mailing list will also take care of all your branches in canonical repo, if a bus hits you tomorrow... On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 4:40 PM Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 3:33 PM Tamás Cservenák wrote: > > > > This is just utterly silly: I am NOT

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-06 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 3:33 PM Tamás Cservenák wrote: > > This is just utterly silly: I am NOT interested at all in your branches: > I don't expect you to be. Ignore them. The problem is not that the branches exist. It is that the mailing list is bothering you with them. Fix the mailing list. --

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-06 Thread Tamás Cservenák
This is just utterly silly: I am NOT interested at all in your branches: ➜ maven git:(master) git fetch upstream -p >From github.com:apache/maven - [deleted] (none) -> upstream/dependabot/maven/org.assertj-assertj-core-3.27.1 remote: Enumerating objects: 72, done. remote: Coun

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-06 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 7:38 AM Guillaume Nodet wrote: > > Le dim. 5 janv. 2025 à 15:49, Elliotte Rusty Harold > a écrit : > > > > I do think the mailing list is severely misconfigured if it's paying > > any attention to dev branches. There's no reason it should be picking > > these commits up. If

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-06 Thread Julien Plissonneau Duquène
Le 2025-01-06 08:38, Guillaume Nodet a écrit : What I think would be lost time is to have to go through all branches in a repo to do some cleanup... ;-) That could be automated anyway. Have a short list of known branches you want to keep, and then for everything else: - branch merged? -> del

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-05 Thread Guillaume Nodet
Le dim. 5 janv. 2025 à 15:49, Elliotte Rusty Harold a écrit : > > I do think the mailing list is severely misconfigured if it's paying > any attention to dev branches. There's no reason it should be picking > these commits up. If it is, let's fix it, not contort people's > development processes an

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-05 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
I do think the mailing list is severely misconfigured if it's paying any attention to dev branches. There's no reason it should be picking these commits up. If it is, let's fix it, not contort people's development processes and put still more restrictions and constraints on the already very limited

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Christoph Läubrich
Eclipse Platform uses Github for a while now and we have completely switched to using forks for devs and contributors including protecting the main branch from direct pushes as described here[1]. A slight (and convenient) deviation is that you do not clone your fork, but the original repositor

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Slawomir Jaranowski
anding worthies or > from us occasional self-interest contributors. > > Later, > > Andy > > From: Elliotte Rusty Harold > Date: Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 18:02 > To: Maven Developers List > Subject: Re: Using git forks > This email was sent to you by someone outside the

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Gerd Aschemann
us occasional self-interest contributors.Later,AndyFrom: Elliotte Rusty Harold Date: Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 18:02To: Maven Developers List Subject: Re: Using git forksThis email was sent to you by someone outside the University.You should only click on links or attachments if you are certain

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Andy Law
contributors. Later, Andy From: Elliotte Rusty Harold Date: Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 18:02 To: Maven Developers List Subject: Re: Using git forks This email was sent to you by someone outside the University. You should only click on links or attachments if you are certain that the email is genuine

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Slawomir Jaranowski
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 at 15:15, Tamás Cservenák wrote: > > Howdy, > > I'd like to ask devs to NOT code directly against branches in ASF > repositories, as we are swamped literally with unwanted spam: I am not > interested in each commit of the branch being worked on. > > Instead, fork the repo and cr

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Slawomir Jaranowski
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 at 17:11, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: > > The tail is wagging the dog here. It sounds like you need to > reconfigure the mailing list to not be so noisy; i.e. to ignore > commits on non-master branches. The problem is the mailing list, not > the branches. It will be difficult

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Slawomir Jaranowski
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 at 18:17, Konrad Windszus wrote: > > Hi, > There used to be some problems related to CI. At least ASF Jenkins > differentiates between forked PRs and non-forked PRs. > For GitHub Actions there is a difference with regards to permissions > (https://docs.github.com/en/actions/wr

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Tamás Cservenák
Eliotte, don't get me wrong, but i have hard time to follow your reasoning: - i posted how we all are _swamped_ by commit mails as canonical repo is used for development - you came back as "ML is misconfigured" - then I asked you who will clean up these vaguely named branches you create in canonic

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 4:20 PM Tamás Cservenák wrote: > > But to continue: what will happen to branches named like "mdo", > "apidoc", "copy", "null" etc in _cnonical maven repo_ if you go > missing? Branches are cheap, but the way these things work if these aren't cleaned up manually, eventually

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Tamás Cservenák
Howdy, am pretty much sure: https://github.com/apache/maven/actions/runs/12606622638 For starters, we haven't used Jenkins since some time... is disabled. Thanks T On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 6:17 PM Konrad Windszus wrote: > > Hi, > There used to be some problems related to CI. At least ASF Jenkins

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Konrad Windszus
Hi, There used to be some problems related to CI. At least ASF Jenkins differentiates between forked PRs and non-forked PRs. For GitHub Actions there is a difference with regards to permissions (https://docs.github.com/en/actions/writing-workflows/choosing-what-your-workflow-does/controlling-perm

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Tamás Cservenák
Unsure about the tail, but as I said: I do want to know about changes in the canonical repo. Also, it is not "me", it is ASF setup and AFAIR it was always like it. But to continue: what will happen to branches named like "mdo", "apidoc", "copy", "null" etc in _cnonical maven repo_ if you go missin

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
The tail is wagging the dog here. It sounds like you need to reconfigure the mailing list to not be so noisy; i.e. to ignore commits on non-master branches. The problem is the mailing list, not the branches. On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 2:46 PM Tamás Cservenák wrote: > > >>> and shouldn't clutter the c

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Tamás Cservenák
>>> and shouldn't clutter the commit logs. Well, my point is that they DO clutter commit logs, see ML link. On your (private) fork I am not notified about your each commit, while I AM notified about each commit on ASF repo :) Also, I DO want to be notified about ANY change happening in canonical

Re: Using git forks

2025-01-04 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
This shouldn't be a problem if we disable everything except squash and merge and require all commits to go through PRs. We do have a big problem with commits that go straight into the source tree without a PR or a code review. Branch vs fork is a red herring. IMHO working on branches is much simpl

Re: Using .git-blame-ignore-revs with reordered lines

2024-02-18 Thread Timothy Stone
On 1/24/24 6:31 AM, Konrad Windszus wrote: Ping, does anyone have any input on this? Would be much appreciated, Thanks, Konrad On 8. Jan 2024, at 19:16, Konrad Windszus wrote: Hi, According to https://maven.apache.org/pom/maven/#the-format-profile the git commits created through applying

Re: Using .git-blame-ignore-revs with reordered lines

2024-01-24 Thread Konrad Windszus
Ping, does anyone have any input on this? Would be much appreciated, Thanks, Konrad > On 8. Jan 2024, at 19:16, Konrad Windszus wrote: > > Hi, > > According to https://maven.apache.org/pom/maven/#the-format-profile the git > commits created through applying the spotless formatting should be ig

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-05-11 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Milos, with all respect: Unless Nigel is an employee of or paid by Microsoft, IBM, or whoever might have a professional interest in the decline of NetBeans, I do think that's a valid expression of an opinion. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Milos Kleint wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-05-10 Thread Milos Kleint
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Nigel Magnay wrote: > > My vote does not really count here, but Sun aggressively > supports > > Mercurial in NetBeans. Based on reviews, Mercurial seemed to initially > have > > a technical edge whereas GIT had a loyal following. They do compete > > aggressively

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-29 Thread Nigel Magnay
> My vote does not really count here, but Sun aggressively supports > Mercurial in NetBeans.  Based on reviews, Mercurial seemed to initially have > a technical edge whereas GIT had a loyal following. They do compete > aggressively and GIT has fixed many of its issues. > > NetBeans works better wi

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-29 Thread John Eichelsdorfer
My vote does not really count here, but Sun aggressively supports Mercurial in NetBeans. Based on reviews, Mercurial seemed to initially have a technical edge whereas GIT had a loyal following. They do compete aggressively and GIT has fixed many of its issues. NetBeans works better with our com

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-27 Thread Jamie Whitehouse
ntony Stubbs Reply-to: "Maven Developers List" To: dev@maven.apache.org Subject: Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:57:51 -0700 (PDT) multiple branches in 1 repo (in hg last time i looked you have to create a new copy to checkout a d

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-27 Thread Nigel Magnay
> Do you see that Google choose Mercurial rather than Git ? > > Mercurial support for Project Hosting on Google Code > http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2009/04/mercurial-support-for-project-hosting.html > > Analysis of Git and Mercurial > http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/DVCSAnalysis >

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-27 Thread Stuart McCulloch
2009/4/27 Rémy Sanlaville > Do you see that Google choose Mercurial rather than Git ? > well, they didn't exactly choose one over the other - they decided to implement Mercurial support first because it fitted better (at the time) with GoogleCode hosting - I wouldn't be surprised to see Git supp

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-27 Thread Rémy Sanlaville
Do you see that Google choose Mercurial rather than Git ? Mercurial support for Project Hosting on Google Code http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2009/04/mercurial-support-for-project-hosting.html Analysis of Git and Mercurial http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/DVCSAnalysis Rémy

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-25 Thread Mark Struberg
The gitexe has already the full maven-sm-test TCK suite implemented. So all the things like a prepackaged git repo for the TCK is already there. LieGrue, strub --- Brian Fox schrieb am Sa, 25.4.2009: > Von: Brian Fox > Betreff: Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-25 Thread Brian Fox
If you like me to help then simply ping me, I'd be honoured to help. I didn't dive into the testing structure in place there, but if it doesn't exist already, some external ITs would be awesome. Something we could run against the multiple implementations to guarantee compatibility. ---

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-25 Thread Mark Struberg
d the need) to start to implement the jgit part. But it should be really easy to add it. If you like me to help then simply ping me, I'd be honoured to help. LieGrue, strub --- Brian Fox schrieb am Sa, 25.4.2009: > Von: Brian Fox > Betreff: Re: Using GIT as the canonical repo

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-25 Thread Brian Fox
I'm talking with the jgit guys to see about adapting the git archive functionality to implement an effective export that we can use from the release plugin. Mark, it looks like the git provider is already setup to easily integrate an alternate implementation so I think this won't be hard once t

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-25 Thread Stephen Connolly
will that not remove the release.properties file too? 2009/4/25 Antony Stubbs > > not true! > > git reset --hard > git clean -f > git checkout tag > > will ensure an exact match with the tag/branch. > > > struberg wrote: > > > > > >> Do we really need to do a clean checkout from the tag? > > > >

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-25 Thread Mark Struberg
all rubbish from .gitignore left in your working directory. And this may affect the build ... LieGrue, strub --- Antony Stubbs schrieb am Sa, 25.4.2009: > Von: Antony Stubbs > Betreff: Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x > An: dev@maven.apache.org > Datum: Samsta

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Antony Stubbs
not true! git reset --hard git clean -f git checkout tag will ensure an exact match with the tag/branch. struberg wrote: > > >> Do we really need to do a clean checkout from the tag? > > I'd strongly recommend it! > > The main problems here are files which aren't checked in or ignored but

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Antony Stubbs
There are some fundamental ways in which git works vs Mercurial that make it better - i.e. changesets vs snapshots, multiple branches in 1 repo (in hg last time i looked you have to create a new copy to checkout a different branch) and others... Raphaël wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Thinking of dis

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Antony Stubbs
Grok GitX - it's awesomeness for Git's level atm :) http://gitx.frim.nl/seeit.html I've been using it since September, and git since the beginning of last year and it's the nicest gui i've seen yet - mind you i havent' played with idea's stuff yet. Arnaud HERITIER wrote: > > +0I never used GI

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 24-Apr-09, at 11:17 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: Correct. The model that Android uses I would say is optimal for an open source project. People can take real copies and derive all the benefit from that, but they push to a gatekeeper where submissions are vetted. Gerrit represents som

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread John Casey
> If developers here were truly interested they would ask and I'm always > happy to answer specific questions. I'd just like to point out one thing: it's not necessarily lack of interest that can keep developers out of the picture, but also an inability to keep up. Too much project velocity c

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Brian Fox
Yes I agree. Only the canonical code can be used to produce official maven builds and those tags are pushed back to the master. No different really than what happens today. On 4/24/2009 4:53 PM, John Casey wrote: There is one very important issue with dscm: To be in line with our goals for Ma

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread John Casey
There is one very important issue with dscm: To be in line with our goals for Maven in general - especially reproducibility - the tag created from a release MUST be available for others to grab and rebuild from. This means that a git push is absolutely necessary to finish off the release proce

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Stephen Connolly
ectory? isn't the scm tag supposed to give you the relative path to the pom's parent folder? could we not just parse the scm URL to get the git root relative path to the pom LieGrue, strub --- Brian Fox schrieb am Fr, 24.4.2009: Von: Brian Fox Betreff: Re: U

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Mark Struberg
not a technical one. Gerrit may also check for a 'ASL2 license granted' flag like it's solved in issues.apache.org for patches. LieGrue, strub --- Robert Burrell Donkin schrieb am Fr, 24.4.2009: > Von: Robert Burrell Donkin > Betreff: Re: Using GIT as the canonical reposito

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 4/24/09, Jason van Zyl wrote: > > On 24-Apr-09, at 7:55 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Jason van Zyl >> wrote: >>> On 24-Apr-09, at 7:36 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: >>> > > Is sounds like the process used by our release plugin doesn't >

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 24-Apr-09, at 7:55 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: On 24-Apr-09, at 7:36 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: Is sounds like the process used by our release plugin doesn't really match the way git works, so maybe we can change the w

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > On 24-Apr-09, at 7:36 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > >>> >>> Is sounds like the process used by our release plugin doesn't really >>> match >>> the way git works, so maybe we can change the way the release plugin >>> works >>> instead of

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Jesse McConnell
I have been starting to play with git for the jetty @ eclipse source base, still backed by svn but just to get a feel for how it works...and its pretty neat. that said, I would say that maven3 is the prime mvn target to iron out the mvn issues with release plugins and all the other core toolchain

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 24-Apr-09, at 7:36 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: Is sounds like the process used by our release plugin doesn't really match the way git works, so maybe we can change the way the release plugin works instead of trying to fit git into our model. Do we really need to do a clean checko

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Paul Gier wrote: > Mark Struberg wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> I thought in a similar direction. I think we can even let the maven-scm as >> it is. >> The problematic usecase is if we have a multi-module build and like to >> release only one of the sub modules. >> >> John

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Christian Edward Gruber
On 24-Apr-09, at 10:20 , Paul Gier wrote: Mark Struberg wrote: Is sounds like the process used by our release plugin doesn't really match the way git works, so maybe we can change the way the release plugin works instead of trying to fit git into our model. Do we really need to do a clea

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Mark Struberg
y. > process doesn't really match the way git works I have the gut feeling that there are quite a few SCMs out there (accurev, hg, PVCS, git,..) which work that way and they only got not enough love yet ;) LieGrue, strub --- Paul Gier schrieb am Fr, 24.4.2009: > Von: Paul Gier > Be

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Paul Gier
Mark Struberg wrote: Hi! I thought in a similar direction. I think we can even let the maven-scm as it is. The problematic usecase is if we have a multi-module build and like to release only one of the sub modules. John Casey prepared an example for this use case: $> git-clone http://www.co

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 24-Apr-09, at 4:24 AM, Raphaël Piéroni wrote: Hi folks, Thinking of distributed SCM, why choosing GIT over Mercurial or over Bazaar ? For one of the biggest reasons is that there is an extremely good implementation in Java. The other proof point is that this is successfully being

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Mark Struberg
he right project directory? LieGrue, strub --- Brian Fox schrieb am Fr, 24.4.2009: > Von: Brian Fox > Betreff: Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x > An: dev@maven.apache.org > Datum: Freitag, 24. April 2009, 1:21 > > > Mark Struberg wrote: > > tec

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Emmanuel Venisse
We have already a long thread with lot of things so I won't repeat some questions. I'm +0 to move to GIT but -1 to go outside of the Apache infrastucture. Emmanuel On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > Hi, > > Maven was the first project at Apache to use JIRA and though there

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Raphaël Piéroni
Hi folks, Thinking of distributed SCM, why choosing GIT over Mercurial or over Bazaar ? They use GIT: http://git-scm.com/ (linux kernel) They use Mercurial: http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/ProjectsUsingMercurial(openJDK) They use Bazaar: http://bazaar-vcs.org/WhoUsesBzr (MySQL) N

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Jason van Zyl
Here is a more complete summary of why I think GIT, and more specifically JGIT is the best thing going for the SCM: http://www.sonatype.com/people/2009/04/git-the-sweetest-scm-around/ On 23-Apr-09, at 10:00 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: Hi, Maven was the first project at Apache to use JIRA and t

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Stephen Connolly
; 2009/4/24 Mark Struberg > > > > > answers inside > > > > --- Daniel Kulp schrieb am Fr, 24.4.2009: > > > > > Von: Daniel Kulp > > > Betreff: Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x > > > An: dev@maven.apache.org > > >

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread nicolas de loof
Struberg > > answers inside > > --- Daniel Kulp schrieb am Fr, 24.4.2009: > > > Von: Daniel Kulp > > Betreff: Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x > > An: dev@maven.apache.org > > CC: "Mark Struberg" > > Datum: Freitag, 24. April 2009

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-24 Thread Mark Struberg
answers inside --- Daniel Kulp schrieb am Fr, 24.4.2009: > Von: Daniel Kulp > Betreff: Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x > An: dev@maven.apache.org > CC: "Mark Struberg" > Datum: Freitag, 24. April 2009, 2:51 > On Thu April 23 2009 5:46

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Stephen Connolly
2009/4/24 Brian Fox > > > Mark Struberg wrote: > >> technically there is no git repo which is 'better' than the other. This >> hierarchy is an orga one. >> If you can pull from my repo and from Jasons, from whom will you pull your >> master mainly? Bet you will pull from Jasons. And I also bet al

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 23-Apr-09, at 7:50 PM, Wendy Smoak wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: Maven was the first project at Apache to use JIRA and though there was a great deal of concern/noise about using JIRA it ultimately proved to be a decent system and now lots of projects

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 23-Apr-09, at 6:17 PM, Brett Porter wrote: There are points on either side of this for me. In summary, I'm in favour of greater exploration of using GIT, but not a wholesale switch today. On 24/04/2009, at 3:00 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: I'd be happy if everyone here wanted to use GIT

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Wendy Smoak
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > Maven was the first project at Apache to use JIRA and though there was a > great deal of concern/noise about using JIRA it ultimately proved to be a > decent system and now lots of projects are using JIRA. > > I'm not particularly intereste

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 23-Apr-09, at 5:33 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: Personally, I'm +0 on the idea moving to git.I really don't care one way or the other if its svn or git. However, I'm -1 to anything that involves pulling the code outside of the ASF unless it would get the "blessing" from infrastructure a

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Brett Porter
There are points on either side of this for me. In summary, I'm in favour of greater exploration of using GIT, but not a wholesale switch today. On 24/04/2009, at 3:00 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: I'd be happy if everyone here wanted to use GIT but I do believe that I have a better chance of

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Brian Fox
2) On a more serious note: this is EXACTLY the issue. Jason is no more special than I am or anyone else on the Maven PMC. That is why there is a centralized storage for the repo. Anyone on the PMC (actually, any committer) MUST have access to entire repo for the project and be able to do

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Daniel Kulp
rrell Donkin schrieb am Do, 23.4.2009: > > Von: Robert Burrell Donkin > > Betreff: Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x > > An: "Maven Developers List" > > Datum: Donnerstag, 23. April 2009, 23:27 > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Mark > &

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Daniel Kulp
Personally, I'm +0 on the idea moving to git.I really don't care one way or the other if its svn or git. However, I'm -1 to anything that involves pulling the code outside of the ASF unless it would get the "blessing" from infrastructure and/or the board. If you want to invest some time/

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Ralph Goers
I have two concerns: 1. Is GIT firewall friendly? At work I could never get to the CVS repository because my employer's firewall pretty much only allows http traffic. GIT would need to support that. 2. Is this OK with infra? Last I checked all Apache software had to be under subversion. No

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Brian Fox
Agreed 100%, it applies across the board. We have two hurdles, one easy, one not so easy: 1. fix the release plugin / scm provider. 2. convince infra to host a rw git repo. Tim O'Brien wrote: I think DVCS would benefit Maven doc. Someone (not a commiter) could clone the site, fix it, contribu

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Tim O'Brien
I think DVCS would benefit Maven doc. Someone (not a commiter) could clone the site, fix it, contribute it back without having to jump through the JIRA + patch + "convince a committer to pay attention" hoop. The main difference here is that Git makes it really easy to merge in changes and select

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Brian Fox
Mark Struberg wrote: technically there is no git repo which is 'better' than the other. This hierarchy is an orga one. If you can pull from my repo and from Jasons, from whom will you pull your master mainly? Bet you will pull from Jasons. And I also bet all contributors will try to get th

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Mark Struberg
cent Siveton > Betreff: Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x > An: "Maven Developers List" > Datum: Donnerstag, 23. April 2009, 23:48 > Hi, > > GIT is already proposed by infrastructure in read only > mode > http://git.apache.org/ > Using GIT i

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Vincent Siveton
Hi, GIT is already proposed by infrastructure in read only mode http://git.apache.org/ Using GIT in write mode sounds like a normal step. Does Maven SCM support *fully* GIT? I think specially for some plugins like the release plugin Cheers, Vincent 2009/4/23 Jason van Zyl : > Hi, > > Maven wa

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Mark Struberg
nges being pulled by Jason and published in his repo at the end of the day. LieGrue, strub --- Robert Burrell Donkin schrieb am Do, 23.4.2009: > Von: Robert Burrell Donkin > Betreff: Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x > An: "Maven Developers List" > Datum

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Mark Struberg wrote: > > +1 for moving to git. > > Jukka already mirrors a lot of projets on GitHub and there is already a > git.apache.org domain too (not sure where this leads too). > > Jason is already convinced, but for all other sceptics: > Basically the loca

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
+0I never used GIT but I'm hearing a lot of good things about it and it is already used by many opensources projects. I would prefer to not have another drama with infra team if possible. Perhaps we could help them to set it up if necessary ? If you have tools for GIT on MacOS, do not hesitate to s

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Brian Fox
On the release plugin I believe John Smart has that working. And having our release toolchain tested before switching is a completely reasonable criterion. That's my primary concern, that the tools support it, or we experiment first to find out _how_ they work. It seems like from the maven

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 23-Apr-09, at 11:13 AM, John Casey wrote: Sounds like an interesting idea, though it does bring up the question of what lives at the ASF if not the project source code. Having said that, I understand the reasons for using an external hosting service. In any case, I've used Git a little

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread John Casey
Sounds like an interesting idea, though it does bring up the question of what lives at the ASF if not the project source code. Having said that, I understand the reasons for using an external hosting service. In any case, I've used Git a little bit for utility projects and to check out other o

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
I would like to start it with Maven 3.x only because I would be willing to put in the effort to maintain it, find resources to maintain it and support users. I can't speak for everyone, but if we wanted to move everything to GIT I would be in favor of that. I think we basically decide whe

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Paul Gier
I'm fine with moving to Git. When you say it will start with Maven 3.x, what does that include? Will all the trunks switch over or just components/trunk to start with? Jason van Zyl wrote: Hi, Maven was the first project at Apache to use JIRA and though there was a great deal of concern/no

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Alin Dreghiciu
Excellent. I do not have a long history with Git but from the projects I used I'm always annoyed when I have to the projects I develop using SVN. So, if my vote counts anyway I'm +1. We started using it for OI4J and everyone getting accustom is loving it. Soon, I hope, all OPS4J projects will be on

Re: Using GIT

2007-11-15 Thread John Casey
You should google for egit...it's only in 0.3, IIRC, but seems to work relatively well for the basics of commit, update, add, remove, etc. -john On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Paul Gier wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: On 12 Nov 07, at 4:21 PM 12 Nov 07, Mark Struberg wrote: --- Johan Kindgren <[

Re: Using GIT

2007-11-13 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 13 Nov 07, at 9:15 AM 13 Nov 07, Paul Gier wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: On 12 Nov 07, at 4:21 PM 12 Nov 07, Mark Struberg wrote: --- Johan Kindgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: Maybe it's better to make things easier for the committers? I've been following this list for a couple of months,

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