Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-24 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Barrie Treloar wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:26 PM, Benson Margulies > wrote: >> I don't see any problem with a clear statement that 'maven is a >> development tool for developers'. I agree that going past that to any >> of the recent attempts to encode RTFM

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-24 Thread Barrie Treloar
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:26 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > I don't see any problem with a clear statement that 'maven is a > development tool for developers'. I agree that going past that to any > of the recent attempts to encode RTFM or 'go find a buddy' into some > sort of sentence on the web s

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-24 Thread Benson Margulies
I don't see any problem with a clear statement that 'maven is a development tool for developers'. I agree that going past that to any of the recent attempts to encode RTFM or 'go find a buddy' into some sort of sentence on the web site is a loser, in spite of my attempt to craft one. On Mon, Jul

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-23 Thread Barrie Treloar
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Jesse Farinacci wrote: > Greetings, [del] > I guess I don't think anyone that we'd like to tell STFU and RTFM will > read any manual anyway. The people that will read the manual will be a > bit put off, I suspect, by the harsh way we treat the unseasoned. Yes, ex

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-23 Thread Jesse Farinacci
Greetings, On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Barrie Treloar wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Benson Margulies > wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Jesse Farinacci wrote: >>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Benson Margulies >>> wrote: If you aren't comfortable with tool

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-23 Thread Chris Graham
Um, no we don't. -Chris On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Wayne Fay wrote: > >>> user community is not a great place to get it, since that community > >>> expects that users have this level of skill and experience. > >> > >> -1 ... this really is off putting. > > > > Oh, well, so much for that

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-23 Thread Barrie Treloar
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Jesse Farinacci wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Benson Margulies >> wrote: >>> If you aren't comfortable with tools like this, but you need to use >>> Maven for some reason, you will need to

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-23 Thread Wayne Fay
>>> user community is not a great place to get it, since that community >>> expects that users have this level of skill and experience. >> >> -1 ... this really is off putting. > > Oh, well, so much for that idea. We just need someone to use the izPack or NSIS maven plugins against Maven itself, a

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-23 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Jesse Farinacci wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Benson Margulies > wrote: >> If you aren't comfortable with tools like this, but you need to use >> Maven for some reason, you will need to find assistance, and the Maven >> user community is not a great p

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-23 Thread Jesse Farinacci
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > If you aren't comfortable with tools like this, but you need to use > Maven for some reason, you will need to find assistance, and the Maven > user community is not a great place to get it, since that community > expects that users have th

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-23 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Barrie Treloar wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Wayne Fay wrote: >>> Rev 1364633 is a small contribution to more stuff to link to. >> >> Also on the Windows pre-reqs page, it might be nice to say something >> about antivirus software sometimes preventing

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-23 Thread Barrie Treloar
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Wayne Fay wrote: >> Rev 1364633 is a small contribution to more stuff to link to. > > Also on the Windows pre-reqs page, it might be nice to say something > about antivirus software sometimes preventing Java from running > properly, or Windows Firewall (and various

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-23 Thread Wayne Fay
> Rev 1364633 is a small contribution to more stuff to link to. Also on the Windows pre-reqs page, it might be nice to say something about antivirus software sometimes preventing Java from running properly, or Windows Firewall (and various other Firewalls) actively preventing Java.exe from reachin

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-23 Thread Mirko Friedenhagen
Hello Benson, looking at http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/site/trunk/src/site/apt/guides/getting-started/maven-in-five-minutes.apt?r1=1243212&r2=1364633&pathrev=1364633&diff_format=h Maybe you could point out that Maven users (or developers in general :-)) are better off installing the JDK. R

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-23 Thread Jesse Farinacci
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > Rev 1364633 is a small contribution to more stuff to link to. Nice job, Benson. -Jesse -- There are 10 types of people in this world, those that can read binary and those that can not. -

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-23 Thread Benson Margulies
Rev 1364633 is a small contribution to more stuff to link to. On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > Look, I know that we get lots of very provocatively clueless queries > on the user list. > > However, I don't think that it's a good idea to be as acerbic as some > of us have

Re: Snark on the users list

2012-07-22 Thread Benson Margulies
A number of people have contacted me off-list about this. I really didn't want to call anyone out on this topic. This is a mixed bag. Citing specific threads would make it concrete what I'm point at, but it would call people out. I'll respond to the off-list threads. I'll go this far; we've had (I

RE: Snark on the users list

2012-07-22 Thread Martin Gainty
correct ..these posts are broadcast worldwide (and then stored as google links).. I am 3500 miles from Bensons location but i am fully capable of reading his emails! I agree the older and wiser maven committee members *should* set a good example so that other maven committers adhere to "the hi