As we launched the other thread about removing the Java 6 support after
september I never communicated about this survey but it seems that we have
some readers here as we had 180 replies without doing anything :
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Jqxq2KgSricwS7YV7pmWvHA8m7_TE7c8JhusugPmGW4/viewanalyt
That would likely be a fix that any organizations providing longer term
support would likely backport for their enterprise versions of Jenkins...
On 17 July 2013 10:53, Arnaud Héritier wrote:
> Note that to have the fix and be able to use Maven 3.1.0, jenkins users
> will have to upgrade which
Note that to have the fix and be able to use Maven 3.1.0, jenkins users
will have to upgrade which won't be soon for many of them
(Myself I'm using the latest really stable one : the 1.480 LTS)
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Stephen Connolly <
stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 17 J
On 17 July 2013 10:09, Olivier Lamy wrote:
> 2013/7/17 Olivier Lamy :
> > 2013/7/17 Stephen Connolly :
> >> On 16 July 2013 23:01, Arnaud Héritier wrote:
> >>
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> > Until Jenkins gets upgraded to 1.520+ at which point the (crappy in
> my
> >>> > personal view) Maven job type
2013/7/17 Olivier Lamy :
> 2013/7/17 Stephen Connolly :
>> On 16 July 2013 23:01, Arnaud Héritier wrote:
>>
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > Until Jenkins gets upgraded to 1.520+ at which point the (crappy in my
>>> > personal view) Maven job type will be unable to run 1.5
>>> >
>>> >
>>> The crappy one which
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Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:37 AM
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Subject: Re: Java version usage survey
I tucked away the last public debs of 1.5 an
2013/7/17 Stephen Connolly :
> On 16 July 2013 23:01, Arnaud Héritier wrote:
>
>> > >
>> >
>> > Until Jenkins gets upgraded to 1.520+ at which point the (crappy in my
>> > personal view) Maven job type will be unable to run 1.5
>> >
>> >
>> The crappy one which doesn't work with Maven 3.1.0 too (
rk
> >> > >>> on
> >> > >>>>> Java 1.5, and hence moving to Java 1.6 as a baseline would seem
> a
> >> > good
> >> > >>> idea.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Tools like an
On 16 July 2013 23:25, Barrie Treloar wrote:
> On 17 July 2013 07:31, Arnaud Héritier wrote:
> >> Can still keep trucking with a FreeStyle + Maven Build Step though (and
> I
> >> prefer that way anyway)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Me too if we backport features from the crappy maven integration into the
On 17 July 2013 07:31, Arnaud Héritier wrote:
>> Can still keep trucking with a FreeStyle + Maven Build Step though (and I
>> prefer that way anyway)
>>
>>
>
> Me too if we backport features from the crappy maven integration into the
> freestyle job (automatic dependencies, post build deployment
On 16 July 2013 23:01, Arnaud Héritier wrote:
> > >
> >
> > Until Jenkins gets upgraded to 1.520+ at which point the (crappy in my
> > personal view) Maven job type will be unable to run 1.5
> >
> >
> The crappy one which doesn't work with Maven 3.1.0 too (I tested it this
> afternoon)
>
I'm su
> >
>
> Until Jenkins gets upgraded to 1.520+ at which point the (crappy in my
> personal view) Maven job type will be unable to run 1.5
>
>
The crappy one which doesn't work with Maven 3.1.0 too (I tested it this
afternoon)
> Can still keep trucking with a FreeStyle + Maven Build Step though (a
On 16 July 2013 21:52, Kristian Rosenvold wrote:
> Look you chickens; until quite recently I kept a 1.3 JVM running on
> windows to do the occasional
> test of surefire on jdk 1.3. (I kept a vmware image since installing 1.3
> on linux required surrendering your first born to Sauron) All your
> c
16. juli 2013 kl. 07:35 skrev Stephen Connolly
:
> - have we good test coverage with toolchains?
No.
Kristian
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Look you chickens; until quite recently I kept a 1.3 JVM running on windows to
do the occasional
test of surefire on jdk 1.3. (I kept a vmware image since installing 1.3 on
linux required surrendering your first born to Sauron) All your complaining
about not being able to run 1.5 sounds like c
like animal-sniffer are great to help developers who cannot
>> set
>> > >> up
>> > >>>>> the older JVMs on their development environment... but in my
>> > >> experience
>> > >>>>> they are no substitute for running on the older JVM.
>> > >&
r test capability is basically the Windows/Java 1.5 slave and
> > the
> > >>>>> *nix/Java 1.5 slave on the Apache Jenkins build server *and* we
> > cannot
> > >>> keep
> > >>>>> that integration test suite passing *then* Java 1.5 is dead for
> Maven
> > >>&g
e:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Oracle Java 5 and 6 are EOLed but Oracle continues to support
> >> customers
> >>>>>> using commercial products that require them that themselves are not
> >>> EOLed.
> >>>>>> Given t
;> using commercial products that require them that themselves are not
>>> EOLed.
>>>>>> Given that current versions of Maven support Java 5 and 6, the real
>>>>>> question is how important is it for older applications that cannot
>>> support
>>>&g
use future versions of Maven?
> > >>>
> > >>> As far as I know, there is nothing from preventing Maven developers
> > from
> > >>> using the existing versions of JDK 5/6 to build and test Maven.
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>&
re is nothing from preventing Maven developers
> from
> >>> using the existing versions of JDK 5/6 to build and test Maven.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Robert Patrick
> >>> VP, FMW Architects Team: The A-Team
> >>> Oracle Corporation
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and on win box.
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I rum mainly on OSX for client and some Linuxes for server - so client side is
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> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:35:06 +0100
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> To: dev@maven.apache.org
>
> Speaking as a Maven Developer...
>
> >>> --
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> >>> VP, FMW Architects Team: The A-Team
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>>
>>
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> > Kindle Version: http://www.amazon.com/
> >
> >
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Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:47 AM
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Subject: Re: Java version usage survey
I've put a question on Stack Overflow:
http://stackoverflow.com/ques
I've put a question on Stack Overflow:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17671899/when-is-java-6-end-of-life-in-the-context-of-writing-developer-toolsto
see if we can get something that is a bit more focus on facts.
e.g. we are all OSS developers: thus premium/extended/sustaining support
contract
My 2c:
- J7 on Mac is unstable (trust me...) and non-performant, and thus I
require my users to use Apple's J6 on the Mac.
- On Linux there are lots of Swing bugs in all versions, but a lot less
in J7 than J6, so I recommend J7 for Linux guys.
- I don't use J5 for anything at all an
Hi Arnaud.
You need to at least add an OTHER (ie non oracle) entry as well. You you
can track Oracle java 6 and Non-Oracle java 6.
-Chris
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Arnaud Héritier wrote:
> Good point. I updated the survey to tell it is the Oracle JDK EOL
> Survey :
>
> https://docs.goog
For all of those who asked to access to replies (I didn't see they were
protected) I'll find a solution to share these results when the survey will
be really started/published.
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Arnaud Héritier wrote:
> Good point. I updated the survey to tell it is the Oracle JDK
Good point. I updated the survey to tell it is the Oracle JDK EOL
Survey :
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Jqxq2KgSricwS7YV7pmWvHA8m7_TE7c8JhusugPmGW4/viewform
Replies :
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Jqxq2KgSricwS7YV7pmWvHA8m7_TE7c8JhusugPmGW4/viewanalytics
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Ch
As long as surefire can fork down to 1.5 and as long as tool chains can
compile with 1.5, the only issue I can see is if the development
environments where these older JVMs are running do not have newer JDKs
available also.
This is the same issue we face in the Jenkins project, were we are
(consid
+1 to ensure that we have a good solution (toolchains) to continue to keep
a compatibility with old Java builds.
Like always, upgrading the prerequisite of the core is less annoying than
the one in plugins.
Users can always keep an old core (and many of them will do it as far as
new core versions a
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Arnaud Héritier wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Java 6 EOL was in feb and Maven and its plugins are always compatible
>
Oracle Java 6 was EOL'd.
IBM Java 6 was, and is not due to be for a few more years. They even
*extended* 1.5's life for a year. Sept this year, I think.
-
Given that Oracle have stated they will be more aggressive in forcing
people to upgrade, eg -target (and I think -source too) will not got all
the way down to 1.2 any more from JDK8 IIRC, we will need to sort out a few
things:
- is toolchains the way to go?
- have we good test coverage with toolc
On Jul 16, 2013 2:08 AM, "Arnaud Héritier" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Java 6 EOL was in feb and Maven and its plugins are always compatible
> with Java 5 (And probably various plugins with Java 4).
> Couldn't it be interesting to see which JDKs our users are using to see
> how we can schedule the end
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Arnaud Héritier wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Java 6 EOL was in feb and Maven and its plugins are always compatible
> with Java 5 (And probably various plugins with Java 4).
> Couldn't it be interesting to see which JDKs our users are using to see
> how we can schedule the
Hi,
Java 6 EOL was in feb and Maven and its plugins are always compatible
with Java 5 (And probably various plugins with Java 4).
Couldn't it be interesting to see which JDKs our users are using to see
how we can schedule the end of support of Java 5 (and more). Perhaps a
removal of Java 5 sup
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