Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 6:27 PM Manfred Moser wrote: > I also find it amazing that we have to justify and vote for upgrading. > Why not the inverse ... we always upgrade by default and we do a vote on > demand only. Then we decide for supporting old, outdated, and hence > often insecure stuff (ru

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

As I mentioned in my earlier summary .. the majority of binding and non-binding votes were for upgrading to 21. I still heard no one bringing a good reason for ignoring a majority vote because we had a few objections. I also find it amazing that we have to justify and vote for upgrading. Why

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

Hi, greatly summarized. Thank you for that. Kind regards Karl Heinz Marbaise On 24.05.25 19:21, Michael Bien wrote: On 5/24/25 15:33, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 1:16 PM Tamás Cservenák wrote: ... aaand because some company/ies does/do that, we as an open source

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

On 5/24/25 15:33, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: > On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 1:16 PM Tamás Cservenák wrote: >> ... aaand because some company/ies does/do that, >> we as an open source project/forget need/must stick to it? > The claim that we must move our JDK version forward because Java > 8/11/17 i

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

On Sat, May 24, 2025, 15:34 Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: > On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 1:16 PM Tamás Cservenák > wrote: > > > > ... aaand because some company/ies does/do that, > > we as an open source project/forget need/must stick to it? > > The claim that we must move our JDK version forward beca

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 1:16 PM Tamás Cservenák wrote: > > ... aaand because some company/ies does/do that, > we as an open source project/forget need/must stick to it? The claim that we must move our JDK version forward because Java 8/11/17 is not supported is fallacious. It is based on a false

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

Hi, all the points based on Java 8/11/17 is supported for a long time, does not really make sense from my point of view, because you can create code for JDK 8 even with JDK 21 (you get warnings about that; different story) and for those edge cases where it really requires a different JDK, yo

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

... aaand because some company/ies does/do that, we as an open source project/forget need/must stick to it? So basically, all we did so far was "waste of resources" as Java 8 is there to stay, at least until 2030, right? Why did we bother at all! On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 3:10 PM Elliotte Rusty H

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 5:38 PM Benjamin Marwell wrote: > > Hey, I can totally understand the people voting -1 for the given reasons. > Even with Java 17 support ending in ~15 months FOR PERSONAL USE. This is **NOT** true, though people keep repeating this. Java 8, 11, and 17 will be supported f

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

I’m confused by what you wrote, and not going to spend my time looking for parallels on logo-dev. IIUC the vote was clearly for moving to java 21, but due to some reasoning in the -1 votes this was rejected: since then a bunch of people have objected to failing the vote. Specifically, which resu

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

I was also thinking the ability of a community to vote and move forward with whatever the result is more important than the result itself. Disputing *this* vote slows getting to the next one. Its not even the kind of vote that would change the direction of the project. Delany On Fri, 23 May 2025

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

There is an interesting parallel here with the what is happening in the logo-dev mailing list: Someone calls for a vote, the results are obvious (count the votes), then it feels like we are back to square one when some starts haggling the whole thing over again. This might not be a bad thing, we ar

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

I do not think we can use that as a point otherwise we should go with java 8. So question is really do we go with what is current when we do the final or do we go with a past choice assuming people not upgrading their stack will upgrade their stack cause maven 4 is too awesome to not upgrade. Roma

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

On Fri, May 23, 2025, 13:40 Benjamin Marwell wrote: > Hey, I can totally understand the people voting -1 for the given reasons. > Even with Java 17 support ending in ~15 months FOR PERSONAL USE. > There will be a loong tail of extended support for money. > And how much of this moooney w

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

Hey, I can totally understand the people voting -1 for the given reasons. Even with Java 17 support ending in ~15 months FOR PERSONAL USE. There will be a loong tail of extended support for money. Anyway, my suggestion: Let's do Maven 4.0.0 with Java 17. Wait for a 4.0.1, 4.1.0... and then wit

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

As a case in point, I am slowly moving the plugins that I maintain ( https://basepom.github.io/) to Java 17 and 21, even though these are Maven 3.x.x plugins. I will require projects that adopt those to use 17 or 21 to run the build. Which is fine, because I can still deliver Java 8 or Java 11 comp

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

Howdy, very same sentiment over here as well. I am very disappointed with the outcome. So, I am curious about folks voting -1... Is one of them planning to go rogue and surprise us all by doing a Maven 4 GA release soon? :D Thanks T On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 8:58 PM Mirko Friedenhagen wrote:

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

I completely second Manfred here: - People who are willing to use Maven 4 soonish should be considered fast movers. So I guess these are already using Java 21 anyways. - Going from Java 17 to 21 does not require major adaptions if any in code in my experience. - New LTS Java 25 comes out this y

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

On 2 May 2025 at 8:02:02 PM, Michael Osipov wrote: > Changing such an important requirement in the RC phase isn't professional. > Under normal circumstances, I’d probably agree, but I do recall way, way, way back in the early days of 4, there was talk of leaving the final decision until the rel

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

Hi all, I find this extremely disappointing and also confusing. A majority of binding and non-binding votes opted FOR adopting Java 21. How can this be justified with our procedures? Here are my arguments for adopting Java 21 that seems to have been asked for although they are imho obvious.

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

Hi Matthias, On 4.05.2025 08:57, Matthias Bünger wrote: But due the high number of negative votes and brought up arguments, I don't think we should ignore them but take them into consideration for the benefit of the Maven community. Therefore I call the vote to be non successful. We can reeval

[RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

Morning everyone, first I would like to thank everybody who participated in the vote [*1] about lifting the required Java version to 21 for Maven 4.0.0. The vote has ended with the following votes: -- Binding votes: +1: Sylwester Lachiewicz, Karl Heinz Marbaise, Tamás Cservenák, B

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

eases Regards, Hervé - Mail original - De: "Matthias Bünger" À: "Maven Developers List" Cc: "Maven Users List" Envoyé: Mercredi 30 Avril 2025 15:12:43 Objet: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote) Hi everyone, over the last years we had se

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

As much as I would like to use a modern version of Java, I also agree with Michael on this. It's simply too late for Maven 4. -1 Maarten On 02/05/2025 10:02, Michael Osipov wrote: -1 Changing such an important requirement in the RC phase isn't professional. On 2025/04/30 13:12:43 Matthias

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

I'm not sure how you can consider this a procedural change. What sort of procedure do we change here? I feel it is more like a code change, as it definitely touches code. On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 23:12, Matthias Bünger wrote: > > Hi everyone, > over the last years we had several discussions about

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

-1 I such I don't see a benefit for code, and it is RC stage, we should not introduce such big changes On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 15:12, Matthias Bünger wrote: > > Hi everyone, > over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the > required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

-1 Not sure what is the real missing mandatory feature for Maven 4.0.x we do not have with 17. I can only see this could prevent a lot of users from migrating to 4.0.x (something we probably do not want) I would say maybe for 4.1.x but again what is the real missing JDK 21 feature we really need fo

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

-1 Changing such an important requirement in the RC phase isn't professional. On 2025/04/30 13:12:43 Matthias Bünger wrote: > Hi everyone, > over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the > required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can > find them in t

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

+1 (non-binding) Enrico Il giorno ven 2 mag 2025 alle ore 09:41 Niels Basjes ha scritto: > +1 (non-binding) > > On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 8:27 AM Piotr P. Karwasz > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On 30.04.2025 15:12, Matthias Bünger wrote: > > > In a chat with several PMC, committers and contributors

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

+1 (non-binding) On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 8:27 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi, > > On 30.04.2025 15:12, Matthias Bünger wrote: > > In a chat with several PMC, committers and contributors nobody saw > > strong disadvantages on this. Therefore, I want to start the official > > vote to set the minim

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

Hi, On 30.04.2025 15:12, Matthias Bünger wrote: In a chat with several PMC, committers and contributors nobody saw strong disadvantages on this. Therefore, I want to start the official vote to set the minimal Java bytecode target of Maven-Core 4 to 21, meaning Java 21 is required for Maven 4.

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

+1 /Anders (mobile) Den ons 30 apr. 2025 15:12Matthias Bünger skrev: > Hi everyone, > over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the > required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can > find them in the mail archive. > In February 2024 we decided to lift

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

+1 non binding. Bring on the new world! -- "Great artists are extremely selfish and arrogant things" — Steven Wilson, Porcupine Tree On 1 May 2025 at 6:23:47 PM, Grzegorz Grzybek wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > > - JEP 400: UTF-8 by Default (JDK18) > - JEP 418: Internet-Address Resolution SPI (J

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

+1 Tibor Digana On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 3:12 PM Matthias Bünger wrote: > Hi everyone, > over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the > required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can > find them in the mail archive. > In February 2024 we decided to lift

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

+1, libraries will enforce it at some point to be properly functional so better to not start late with first 4.0.0 Romain Manni-Bucau @rmannibucau | .NET Blog | Blog | Old Blog

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Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

+1 (non binding) Am 30.04.2025 um 15:12 schrieb Matthias Bünger: Hi everyone, over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can find them in the mail archive. In February 2024 we decided to lift it to 17 (se

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Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

+1 here. And wishing a great day to everyone. Le jeu. 1 mai 2025, 08:24, Grzegorz Grzybek a écrit : > +1 (non-binding) > > - JEP 400: UTF-8 by Default (JDK18) > - JEP 418: Internet-Address Resolution SPI (JDK18) > - JEP 444: Virtual Threads (JDK21) > > regards > Grzegorz Grzybek > > śr., 30 k

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

+1 (non-binding) - JEP 400: UTF-8 by Default (JDK18) - JEP 418: Internet-Address Resolution SPI (JDK18) - JEP 444: Virtual Threads (JDK21) regards Grzegorz Grzybek śr., 30 kwi 2025 o 21:50 Elliotte Rusty Harold napisał(a): > -1 > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 1:12 PM Matthias Bünger > wrote: >

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

-1 On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 1:12 PM Matthias Bünger wrote: > > Hi everyone, > over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the > required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can > find them in the mail archive. > In February 2024 we decided to lift it to 17 (s

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

+1 (not binding) best regards, michael On 4/30/25 15:12, Matthias Bünger wrote: > Hi everyone, > over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the required > Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can find them in > the mail archive. > In February 2024 we deci

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

+1 Arnaud Héritier GitHub/ASF/... : aheritier On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 15:12 Matthias Bünger wrote: > Hi everyone, > over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the > required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can > find them in the mail archive. > In Fe

Fwd: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

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RE: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

Non-binding +1 - Jeremy -Original Message- From: Matthias Bünger Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2025 9:13 AM To: Maven Developers List Cc: us...@maven.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote) Hi everyone, over the last years we had several discussions about

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

+1 (binding) Thanks! Question to the -1 voters: Please do share a reason for downvotes. I am eager to know why you think we should not update to Java 21. Am Mi., 30. Apr. 2025 um 15:12 Uhr schrieb Matthias Bünger : > > Hi everyone, > over the last years we had several discussions about lifting

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

+1 (non-binding) John On 4/30/25 6:12 AM, Matthias Bünger wrote: Therefore, I want to start the official vote to set the minimal Java bytecode target of Maven-Core 4 to 21, meaning Java 21 is required for Maven 4. - To unsu

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

+1 Thanks Tamas On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 3:12 PM Matthias Bünger wrote: > > Hi everyone, > over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the > required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can > find them in the mail archive. > In February 2024 we decided to li

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

Hi, +1 from me. Kind regards Karl Heinz Marbaise On 30.04.25 15:12, Matthias Bünger wrote: Hi everyone, over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can find them in the mail archive. In February 2024 we d

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Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

Non-binding +1 :) On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 3:16 PM Gary Gregory wrote: > Non-binding +1 > > Gary > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 09:12 Matthias Bünger wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the > > required Java version to run Maven from 8 to somethi

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

Non-binding +1 Gary On Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 09:12 Matthias Bünger wrote: > Hi everyone, > over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the > required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can > find them in the mail archive. > In February 2024 we decided to lif

[VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

Hi everyone, over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can find them in the mail archive. In February 2024 we decided to lift it to 17 (see result: [1*]). An argument to pick 17 instead of 21 was to take

[CANCELED] [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4

Vote canceled to restart with rephrased vote thread (asked by Tamás) Matthias Am 30.04.2025 um 14:43 schrieb Matthias Bünger: Hi everyone, over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can find them in the m

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4

+1 good move śr., 30 kwi 2025, 14:44 użytkownik Matthias Bünger napisał: > Hi everyone, > over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the > required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can > find them in the mail archive. > In February 2024 we decided to li

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4

Howdy, Matthias, you explained why to switch (why to vote +1). But could you reformulate your VOTE thread and ask those voting -1 to EXPLAIN why they voted in such a manner? Thanks T On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 2:44 PM Matthias Bünger wrote: > > Hi everyone, > over the last years we had several di

Re: [VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4

-1 On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 12:45 PM Matthias Bünger wrote: > > Hi everyone, > over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the > required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can > find them in the mail archive. > In February 2024 we decided to lift it to 17 (

[VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4

Hi everyone, over the last years we had several discussions about lifting the required Java version to run Maven from 8 to something higher. You can find them in the mail archive. In February 2024 we decided to lift it to 17 (see result: [1*]). An argument to pick 17 instead of 21 was to take