Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-08 Thread Albert Kurucz
If you don't like the term metasoftware, why would you like the metadata? Data has software dependencies (or data dependencies) just like software. Data is software. More about this: http://www.dans.knaw.nl/nl/over_dans/factsheets/mixed_future_proof/ If it looks like a duck... 2009/10/8 Tamás Cse

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-08 Thread Albert Kurucz
t; >> metametadata is therefore data about metadata >> >> the jar is your artifact : data >> the pom is data about the artifact : metadata >> the metadata.xml is data about the pom files : metametadata >> >> Sent from my [rhymes with tryPod] ;-) >> >&g

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-06 Thread Albert Kurucz
cognition is thinking about thinking > > metametadata is therefore data about metadata > > the jar is your artifact : data > the pom is data about the artifact : metadata > the metadata.xml is data about the pom files : metametadata > > Sent from my [rhymes with tryPod] ;-) > &

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-06 Thread Albert Kurucz
orrect is the metametadata... and > thankfully that can be reconstructed from the pom files > > Sent from my [rhymes with tryPod] ;-) > > On 6 Oct 2009, at 18:30, Albert Kurucz wrote: > >> Brian, >> >>> This is why in suggestion 1) I said lets get som

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-06 Thread Albert Kurucz
Brian, This is a Stalemate! I go to sleep() until that code arrives to you. If I had the time, I promise I would code it for you. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Albert Kurucz wrote: > Brian, > >> This is why in suggestion 1) I said lets get some code to validate the >> arti

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-06 Thread Albert Kurucz
If the meta data is erroneous, the artifact can’t be uploaded. " On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Brian Fox wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Albert Kurucz wrote: >> Tamas, I cannot predict when, but once it will be done in a "machine >> way" or a mathematical

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-06 Thread Albert Kurucz
y by > license URL? Etc... > > Many of these are pretty hard to determine in "machine way" > > ~t~ > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Brian Fox wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Albert Kurucz >> wrote: >> > Brian, >> > >

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-06 Thread Albert Kurucz
h it. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Brian Fox wrote: > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Albert Kurucz wrote: >> Brian, >> >> If you start maintaining a list of violators I have zero motivation to >> contribute to your list, because this kind of list is useless for me.

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-05 Thread Albert Kurucz
at 2:16 PM, Albert Kurucz wrote: > Brian, > >> Ok then, I assert they are all fine. Now you can provide a list and >> refute me ;-). > In this case (if they were all fine) here is your list: > http://repo2.maven.org/maven2/.index/ > (But unfortunately they are not all

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-05 Thread Albert Kurucz
;> >>> 4) Assuming we have identified a significant number of the problems >>> from work done in #2, we would then need concrete proposals for how to >>> fix this without breaking people's builds. Proposals can be posted on >>> the MAVENUSER wiki spac

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-05 Thread Albert Kurucz
stic and we'd be glad to accept help in the areas > above. I think further theorizing at this point is going to get > diminishing returns, and I personally think attempting to fork an > entire repository is not going to help the users as much as even > items #1,2,3 above. > >

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-01 Thread Albert Kurucz
My vote is on Option2: http://xircles.codehaus.org/projects/pinin On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Albert Kurucz wrote: > Isn't that funny: > http://ask.metafilter.com/68789/Why-do-rotten-onions-smell-good > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Albert Kurucz wrote: >>

Re: a cleaned up central repository? (was: Maven Central Repository - Cleanup Efforts)

2009-10-01 Thread Albert Kurucz
Wayne, Who paid Linus to create version 1.0 of the Linux Kernel? If somebody can create a Maven repo crawler as a hobby project, then somebody will. The first Cert List will probably be just the result of some simple tests, not much. But many will follow. We will have to protect somehow our bandwid

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-01 Thread Albert Kurucz
Isn't that funny: http://ask.metafilter.com/68789/Why-do-rotten-onions-smell-good On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Albert Kurucz wrote: > I would like to see some votes: > > 1. Big Rotten Onion > 2. Starting Over After Writing New Policies > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:04 P

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-01 Thread Albert Kurucz
I would like to see some votes: 1. Big Rotten Onion 2. Starting Over After Writing New Policies On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Albert Kurucz wrote: > You know where Option1 will drive us? > When the added metadata which hides current corruption will become > corrupt, we need anot

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-01 Thread Albert Kurucz
You know where Option1 will drive us? When the added metadata which hides current corruption will become corrupt, we need another layer. At the end, it will look like a big onion. :) Where will Option2 will get us? The new repo will get corrupted again. Unless the policy of repo-ing something will

Re: a cleaned up central repository?

2009-10-01 Thread Albert Kurucz
current repo for all new >>>>>>> artifacts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Brett Porter >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moving over to dev... >>>>&g

Re: Repository Plugin: Should SCM be Required??

2009-09-30 Thread Albert Kurucz
I agree with Brett, Gilles, Daniel. Gilles, thanks for that reference, I think we should all learn from that! On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote: > > I agree with Brett.    Strongly recommend, but not require. > > Dan > > > On Wed September 30 2009 12:57:34 am Brett Porter wrote:

Re: a cleaned up central repository? (was: Maven Central Repository - Cleanup Efforts)

2009-09-30 Thread Albert Kurucz
> 1) defined rules for what an "acceptable" artifact is > 2) gating central with those rules Any time when I referred to http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-central-repository-upload.html as a requirement, I always had a bad feeling. Why? Requirement is what you can verify against, but this m

Re: Repository Plugin: Should SCM be Required??

2009-09-29 Thread Albert Kurucz
You can turn a quality of something to be a requirement only if that something can be verified at any given time. How about ? Would you accept this? Not bbecause you want to verify that you can connect to the server? What if the server is down because of maintenance? Or it is behind a firewall? Acc

Re: Repository Plugin: Should SCM be Required??

2009-09-29 Thread Albert Kurucz
I agree with Jörg. is just another "required" information, which helps nothing but it may lead to corruption. OSS projects should be allowed to protect their version control server with a firewall. Many -s of different artifacts, with the same ip address of 192.168... would be ugly and confusing.