Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

2025-05-23 Thread David Jencks
I’m confused by what you wrote, and not going to spend my time looking for parallels on logo-dev. IIUC the vote was clearly for moving to java 21, but due to some reasoning in the -1 votes this was rejected: since then a bunch of people have objected to failing the vote. Specifically, which resu

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

2025-05-23 Thread Delany
I was also thinking the ability of a community to vote and move forward with whatever the result is more important than the result itself. Disputing *this* vote slows getting to the next one. Its not even the kind of vote that would change the direction of the project. Delany On Fri, 23 May 2025

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

2025-05-23 Thread Gary Gregory
There is an interesting parallel here with the what is happening in the logo-dev mailing list: Someone calls for a vote, the results are obvious (count the votes), then it feels like we are back to square one when some starts haggling the whole thing over again. This might not be a bad thing, we ar

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

2025-05-23 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
I do not think we can use that as a point otherwise we should go with java 8. So question is really do we go with what is current when we do the final or do we go with a past choice assuming people not upgrading their stack will upgrade their stack cause maven 4 is too awesome to not upgrade. Roma

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

2025-05-23 Thread Gary Gregory
On Fri, May 23, 2025, 13:40 Benjamin Marwell wrote: > Hey, I can totally understand the people voting -1 for the given reasons. > Even with Java 17 support ending in ~15 months FOR PERSONAL USE. > There will be a loong tail of extended support for money. > And how much of this moooney w

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Require Java 21 for Maven 4 (Rephrased Vote)

2025-05-23 Thread Benjamin Marwell
Hey, I can totally understand the people voting -1 for the given reasons. Even with Java 17 support ending in ~15 months FOR PERSONAL USE. There will be a loong tail of extended support for money. Anyway, my suggestion: Let's do Maven 4.0.0 with Java 17. Wait for a 4.0.1, 4.1.0... and then wit

Re: Maven 4.0.0 Release - Thoughts?

2025-05-23 Thread Benjamin Marwell
-1 for release, +1 for rc4. Reason: What Sylwester said, plus Nikita from JetBrains asking nicely. They (JB) would love to see API stability so they can ship an IntelliJ IDEA release in time with Maven 4. This of course applies to all other IDEs. Nikita is on #maven in slack, maybe also subscribed