Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Plugin Tools version 3.5

2016-08-29 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
+1 Regards, Hervé Le samedi 27 août 2016 00:40:42 Robert Scholte a écrit : > Hi, > > We solved 16 issues: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12317820&ve > rsion=12331169&styleName=Text > > There are still a couple of issues left in JIRA: > https://issues.apache.

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Christian Schulte
Am 08/24/16 um 08:23 schrieb Hervé BOUTEMY: > I don't like classical dependencies version ranges, but the idea of such > feature for imports looks even worse: the dirty dependency tree will be > really > huge, I imagine. And if the content of imported pom changes in the ganre, I > fear the resu

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Christian Schulte
Am 08/30/16 um 00:51 schrieb Fred Cooke: > Yes, presumably to be consumed in another build, right? :-) Another build, an application launcher, etc. I fail to see the interpolation issue here. What functionality would be lost? Regards, -- Christian --

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Fred Cooke
Yes, presumably to be consumed in another build, right? :-) On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Christian Schulte wrote: > Am 08/30/16 um 00:33 schrieb Fred Cooke: > > I fail to see how any such flattening can do away with interpolation. > Your > > typical nonlib project has say 5-100 deps, each o

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Christian Schulte
Am 08/30/16 um 00:33 schrieb Fred Cooke: > I fail to see how any such flattening can do away with interpolation. Your > typical nonlib project has say 5-100 deps, each of which would have a flat > tree that needs to be compared with and resolved against the others. As far as I understood the propo

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Fred Cooke
I fail to see how any such flattening can do away with interpolation. Your typical nonlib project has say 5-100 deps, each of which would have a flat tree that needs to be compared with and resolved against the others. I can see it speeding things up due to having all of the information for just th

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Christian Schulte
Am 08/30/16 um 00:16 schrieb Paul Benedict: > I see a deployed faulty "consumer pom" to be more more harmful than > generating it locally on demand. At least with the local one I can upgrade > my client to fix a dependency calculation. There will be no such relief in > the case of your proposal. I

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Paul Benedict
Christian, I could argue that's not much different than today. The "consumer pom" -- no matter how much you distill or flatten it -- will still require processing. Data is useless without an interpretation. A Maven client will still have to have to process it, and there will likely be bugs in that

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Christian Schulte
Am 08/29/16 um 23:35 schrieb Paul Benedict: > Robert, I am mostly in agreement here. However, the big downside to > deploying the calculations is that they are forever. Furthermore, deploying > the "consumer pom" takes away the ability for a newer Maven client with > resolution bug fixes and/or opt

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Paul Benedict
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Robert Scholte wrote: > I think that all the fields of a dependency are quite complete. Based on > the issues I see with moving forward with Aether is that the (complex) > dependency resolution is done inside Maven. The idea is to not calculate > this anymore, but

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Christian Schulte
Am 08/29/16 um 23:07 schrieb Robert Scholte: > dependency resolution is done inside Maven. The idea is to not calculate > this anymore, but add all transitive dependencies to the consumer pom. > This would hopefully remove the discussion what all the dependencies are, > since they're already su

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Tibor Digana
I am using flatten-maven-plugin. What is the goal for consumer-pom? My answer is runtime dependencies in general, but we must not forget the facts that scm, jira is addon which let me to contact the team. Why you want to deploy both consumer and ordinal POM? Messy isn't it? And therefore existing t

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Christian Schulte
Am 08/29/16 um 22:48 schrieb Robert Scholte: > The consumer pom is a completely different beast. > Goal: efficient dependency resolution. +1 Stephen has pointed out that using XML for this is the best solution we can offer, because XML can be handled easily with almost any programming language an

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Plugin Tools version 3.5

2016-08-29 Thread Robert Scholte
yes, I should be able to do so. Robert On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 22:49:49 +0200, Tibor Digana wrote: You can still change the deployed site within this vote without restarting it. On 8/29/16, Robert Scholte-6 [via Maven] wrote: Seems like the skin required more fixes, see r1758298[1] tha

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Robert Scholte
I think that all the fields of a dependency are quite complete. Based on the issues I see with moving forward with Aether is that the (complex) dependency resolution is done inside Maven. The idea is to not calculate this anymore, but add all transitive dependencies to the consumer pom. This

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Plugin Tools version 3.5

2016-08-29 Thread Tibor Digana
You can still change the deployed site within this vote without restarting it. On 8/29/16, Robert Scholte-6 [via Maven] wrote: > > > Seems like the skin required more fixes, see r1758298[1] > > thanks, > Robert > > [1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1758298&view=rev > > On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:0

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Robert Scholte
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:29:36 +0200, Tibor Digana wrote: Hi Robert, Hm, sep.of.concern, this discussion does not have the end. We should start another more concrete. Let's list all first-level items of consumer POM I would need to have in my case and we will see where we go: parent, name, des

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Tibor Digana
I am sceptical about somebody would be interested in another schema (handling new one) than the one used with POM. I think we are too inside in ourselves. Imaging the developers or companies using Maven nowadays, or IDEs, easily they would say "no difference, the POM works for me so no issue - let'

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Plugin Tools version 3.5

2016-08-29 Thread Robert Scholte
Seems like the skin required more fixes, see r1758298[1] thanks, Robert [1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1758298&view=rev On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:05:58 +0200, Karl Heinz Marbaise wrote: Hi, +1 from me. Just one question: The site has a different logo on the right site (top right) th

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Paul Benedict
Robert, I am not sure that a consumer-pom will ultimately provide any relief to the problem at hand. Eventually -- even if it is some point very distant in the future -- the consumer-pom will also need to evolve so the same problem will rear its head: how do you read a POM of a future model version

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Tibor Digana
Sorry that I reply to consumer POM again, I want to fix my previous email, the parent in consumer POM is not needed from my point of view because I would naturally consider all POMs in Maven Central as totally resolved with their dependencies against scope=runtime and independent of parent and depM

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Plugin Tools version 3.5

2016-08-29 Thread Tibor Digana
+1: here is mine :) Let's cut the version. On 8/28/16, rfscholte [via Maven] wrote: > > > Hi, > > We solved 16 issues: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12317820&version=12331169&styleName=Text > > There are still a couple of issues left in JIRA: > https://issues.

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Tibor Digana
Hi Robert, Hm, sep.of.concern, this discussion does not have the end. We should start another more concrete. Let's list all first-level items of consumer POM I would need to have in my case and we will see where we go: parent, name, description, url, scm, issueManagement, dependencies, depMgt, dis

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Plugin Tools version 3.5

2016-08-29 Thread Karl Heinz Marbaise
Hi, +1 from me. Just one question: The site has a different logo on the right site (top right) than other pages like https://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-jar-plugin/ ? Kind regards Karl Heinz Marbaise On 27/08/16 00:40, Robert Scholte wrote: Hi, We solved 16 issues: https://issues.apache

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Plugin Tools version 3.5

2016-08-29 Thread Robert Scholte
+1 On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 00:40:42 +0200, Robert Scholte wrote: Hi, We solved 16 issues: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12317820&version=12331169&styleName=Text There are still a couple of issues left in JIRA: https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=proje

Re: POM Model version 4.1.0 in 3.4.0-SNAPSHOTs

2016-08-29 Thread Robert Scholte
We're missing separations of concerns with the pom. Right now it contains all the information to build the project and all the dependency information. Once deployed only the latter is roughly of any interest. As long as the build-pom is also the deploy-pom, we cannot change a lot since this

Questions about how to contribute to Plexus

2016-08-29 Thread Plamen Totev
Hi, Recently I was granted write access to the plexus-io and plexus-archiver GitHub repositories. I'm not sure where I can found any guides for contributors. Also I can't found the plexus project mail list - not sure where to write if I have questions related to the project. I would love to c

Re: [GitHub] maven-surefire issue #114: Parallel runner should not drop away runners that...

2016-08-29 Thread Tibor Digana
I am sure the code had a reason but currently sorry I have not answered since I have being preparing fixes for bugs and feature which are really big. I keep in mind that I should come back soon. On 8/29/16, Fuud wrote: > Github user Fuud commented on the issue: > > https://github.com/apache/m

RE: Help to submit fix in maven-changes-plugin

2016-08-29 Thread Mikael Petterson
Hi, I have now created a pull request for it: https://github.com/apache/maven-plugins/pull/91 What will happen now? Br, //mikael -Original Message- From: Tibor Digana [mailto:tibordig...@apache.org] Sent: den 28 augusti 2016 11:09 To: dev@maven.apache.org Subject: Re: Help to submit

[GitHub] maven-plugins pull request #91: MCHANGES-373

2016-08-29 Thread mpet
GitHub user mpet opened a pull request: https://github.com/apache/maven-plugins/pull/91 MCHANGES-373 You can merge this pull request into a Git repository by running: $ git pull https://github.com/mpet/maven-plugins MCHANGES-373 Alternatively you can review and apply these ch

[GitHub] maven-surefire issue #114: Parallel runner should not drop away runners that...

2016-08-29 Thread Fuud
Github user Fuud commented on the issue: https://github.com/apache/maven-surefire/pull/114 any updates? --- If your project is set up for it, you can reply to this email and have your reply appear on GitHub as well. If your project does not have this feature enabled and wishes so, or

Re: [SUREFIRE] Surefire provider for JUnit 5?

2016-08-29 Thread Tibor Digana
Hi Benedikt, I found out that JUNit 5 was release with ALPHA version in Maven Central. I guess there is no need to rush in Surefire yet. The JUnit team should contribute in JUnit code line in the artifact project org.junit.surefire-junit5 and test that provider. AFter the it is stable with non-alp