Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
I agree with Dan and Wayne +1 for "qualified" releases (alpha, beta, RC, etc…) that are working toward the full blow release but aren't intended to be that. -1 for the actual releases. And I don't care if the next 3.1.0-alpha is alpha-2 or alpha-4: what I care is that it is not alpha-1 any mor

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
MNG-5482 fixed: ok for me to go for take 4 when a plugin cannot be loaded due to missing Sonatype Aether class, hint url will be http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/AetherClassNotFound the Wiki article still needs to be written... Regards, Hervé Le mercredi 29 mai 2013 09:34:46

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Chris Graham
What do we currently do for plugins? What do we currently do for core? Is there in difference in the approach taken? We call for a vot for vX.Y.Z of (plugins's [recently at least] do not appear to go throught he beta/RC phases). Can someone please spell out a sequence of events (by time) as to w

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Mirko Friedenhagen
Non-bindingly: +1 for pre-releases -1 for actual releases Regards Mirko -- http://illegalstateexception.blogspot.com/ https://github.com/mfriedenhagen/ https://bitbucket.org/mfriedenhagen/ On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Baptiste MATHUS wrote: > You're right, my bad. I just re-read the details

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Mirko Friedenhagen
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Arnaud Héritier wrote: >> >> But having said all that, if we can find a good way to flag versions as not >> released (e.g. a release history page or something) I am not against >> skipping version numbers. Might confuse people though if that meant that >> the firs

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Fred Cooke
> > -1 for actual releases: it would create more mess imo for end users if > there's many bizarre jumps in numbering The thing with this argument is that it's very, very weak. If a missed version confuses a user, they're basically brain-dead. Assuming your users are brain dead is _always_ dangero

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Baptiste MATHUS
You're right, my bad. I just re-read the details in Stephen's original mail. So I'm also: +1 for pre-releases, dropping everything to reuse numbers is not worth the hassle -1 for actual releases: it would create more mess imo for end users if there's many bizarre jumps in numbering 2013/5/29 Fre

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Fred Cooke
"This vote is to change the policy to: drop the staging repo, document the release as not released, and run with the next version." On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Baptiste MATHUS wrote: > Well, from the wording of the VOTE question and what I've read from you > Fred in the past, shouldn't act

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Baptiste MATHUS
Well, from the wording of the VOTE question and what I've read from you Fred in the past, shouldn't actually be a -1 from you here? What I read is "Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?" then +1 = current way of working, just drop the release and re-release (possibly wi

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Wayne Fay
Agree with Dan. +1 for qualified -1 for actual Wayne On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote: > +1 for "qualified" releases (alpha, beta, RC, etc…) that are working toward > the full blow release but aren't intended to be that. > > -1 for the actual releases. > > Dan > > > > On May 2

maven-surefire pull request: SUREFIRE-999: Skip phase `validate` during sit...

2013-05-29 Thread mfriedenhagen
GitHub user mfriedenhagen opened a pull request: https://github.com/apache/maven-surefire/pull/23 SUREFIRE-999: Skip phase `validate` during site-generation for `report-only` resp. `failsafe-report-only` * We have a lot of projects in our CI system (Jenkins) where we run `mvn clean

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Robert Scholte
DOAP issues have been fixed. Let's wait for Hervé before spinning a new release. Robert Op Wed, 29 May 2013 01:21:52 +0200 schreef Jason van Zyl : I'll see if Robert wants to fix the DOAP file and I'll respin tomorrow after he's commented. On May 28, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Stephen Connolly

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Robert Scholte
-1 (binding) on actual releases Robert Op Wed, 29 May 2013 15:20:17 +0200 schreef Daniel Kulp : +1 for "qualified" releases (alpha, beta, RC, etc…) that are working toward the full blow release but aren't intended to be that. -1 for the actual releases. Dan On May 29, 2013, at 6:01 AM,

RE: CALL TO CONTRIBUTION: dist tooling

2013-05-29 Thread Eric Barboni
It finally works(svn client issue reinstalling older tortoiseSVN) http://svn.apache.org/r1487396 sorry for stress... -Message d'origine- De : Olivier Lamy [mailto:ol...@apache.org] Envoyé : mercredi 29 mai 2013 10:09 À : Maven Developers List Objet : Re: CALL TO CONTRIBUTION: dist tool

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Fred Cooke
You're voting on a set of sources, and the state of them, more than the specific binary built on a specific platform. You're not really voting on the arbitrary binary that manifests itself as a result of those sources and build. Although it's possible to build from the same sources and get a (meani

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Jason van Zyl
Sure, go for it. The less confusing to users the better. On May 29, 2013, at 1:36 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote: > I'd like to work on Arnaud's idea of error message enhancement in case a > plugin fails because of unavailable Sonatype Aether: if you can let me 12 > more > hours from now, I'll do it

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Daniel Kulp
+1 for "qualified" releases (alpha, beta, RC, etc…) that are working toward the full blow release but aren't intended to be that. -1 for the actual releases. Dan On May 29, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: > We have been using a policy of only making releases without skipping > ve

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Stephen Connolly
Actually clarified that the release plugin is being used but the tag is being forced to a different name and then moved post successful release, e.g. mvn release:prepate release:perform -DreleaseVersion=3.1.0 -Dtag=3.1.0-RC1 Now there is an issue with that in that the pom will contain the wrong t

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Barrie Treloar
On 29 May 2013 20:53, Stephen Connolly wrote: > The issue with that is when using the Maven Release Plugin, you will not be ... Can't we fix the tooling then? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additi

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Arnaud Héritier
+1 if it helps to have more regular releases (but I'm not sure it will help) On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > FWIW, over in Apache Commons land this is how we handle things. > > When we prepare and tag a release for version x.y.z, it is tagged as > .../x.y.z-RC1. If the [vo

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Fred Cooke
I'm totally fine with the 1.0-RC0 1.0-RC1 1.0-RC2 == 1.0 thing, in Git you don't even have to copy anything ;-) If you're going to do trial releases, then RCX is one good way to do it. I've got to point out, though, that "skipped numbers" means exactly NOTHING :-) You *always* skip numbers, by de

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Jeff Jensen
It seems that most people care about X.Y and X.Y.Z numbers of the versioning scheme, not X.Y.Z.N. To spin through version numbers without concern during release candidates, perhaps using the 4th position, N, would then allow continued use of the familiar X.Y and X.Y.Z references? Major.Minor.Poin

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Stephen Connolly
Ahh, so that is just a nicer way of handling the respin with same version number. In any case we currently have a ∑ binding = 0 so no decision forthcoming yet... but early days ;-) On 29 May 2013 12:31, Gary Gregory wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Stephen Connolly < > stephen.alan.con

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Gary Gregory
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Stephen Connolly < stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > Moving discussion off the vote thread > > The issue with that is when using the Maven Release Plugin, you will not be > voting on the released artifacts if you call it x.y.z-RCn, so you would > need a who

[DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Stephen Connolly
Moving discussion off the vote thread The issue with that is when using the Maven Release Plugin, you will not be voting on the released artifacts if you call it x.y.z-RCn, so you would need a whole new vote for x.y.z. We could go all Eclipse nutjob and force the timestamp into every release, e.g

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Gary Gregory
FWIW, over in Apache Commons land this is how we handle things. When we prepare and tag a release for version x.y.z, it is tagged as .../x.y.z-RC1. If the [vote] passes, the tag is copied to .../x.y.z. If the [vote] fails, the tag stays as a record of what happened and the email archives tell the

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Fred Cooke
+1(million) non-binding, but if you want, I'll have your children if you make this extremely positive change <3 On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Jörg Schaible wrote: > -1 (nb) > > Stephen Connolly wrote: > > > We have been using a policy of only making releases without skipping > > version

RE: CALL TO CONTRIBUTION: dist tooling

2013-05-29 Thread Eric Barboni
It finally works(svn client issue reinstalling older tortoiseSVN) http://svn.apache.org/r1487396 sorry for stress... -Message d'origine- De : Olivier Lamy [mailto:ol...@apache.org] Envoyé : mercredi 29 mai 2013 10:09 À : Maven Developers List Objet : Re: CALL TO CONTRIBUTION: dist tooli

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Jörg Schaible
-1 (nb) Stephen Connolly wrote: > We have been using a policy of only making releases without skipping > version numbers, e.g. > > 3.0.0, 3.0.1, 3.0.2, 3.0.3, 3.0.4, 3.0.5, etc > > Whereby if there is something wrong with the artifacts staged for release, > we drop the staging repo, delete the

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Lukas Theussl
-1 (non-binding) -Lukas On 05/29/2013 12:01 PM, Stephen Connolly wrote: > We have been using a policy of only making releases without skipping > version numbers, e.g. > > 3.0.0, 3.0.1, 3.0.2, 3.0.3, 3.0.4, 3.0.5, etc > > Whereby if there is something wrong with the artifacts staged for releas

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Kristian Rosenvold
-1 Den 29. mai 2013 kl. 12:04 skrev Tony Chemit : > On Wed, 29 May 2013 11:01:25 +0100 > Stephen Connolly wrote: > > +1 (at last ;)) > > tony (non binding) > >> +1 (binding) >> >> >> On 29 May 2013 11:01, Stephen Connolly >> wrote: >> >>> We have been using a policy of only making releases with

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Tony Chemit
On Wed, 29 May 2013 11:01:25 +0100 Stephen Connolly wrote: +1 (at last ;)) tony (non binding) > +1 (binding) > > > On 29 May 2013 11:01, Stephen Connolly wrote: > > > We have been using a policy of only making releases without skipping > > version numbers, e.g. > > > > 3.0.0, 3.0.1, 3.0.2, 3

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Stephen Connolly
+1 (binding) On 29 May 2013 11:01, Stephen Connolly wrote: > We have been using a policy of only making releases without skipping > version numbers, e.g. > > 3.0.0, 3.0.1, 3.0.2, 3.0.3, 3.0.4, 3.0.5, etc > > Whereby if there is something wrong with the artifacts staged for release, > we drop the

[VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Stephen Connolly
We have been using a policy of only making releases without skipping version numbers, e.g. 3.0.0, 3.0.1, 3.0.2, 3.0.3, 3.0.4, 3.0.5, etc Whereby if there is something wrong with the artifacts staged for release, we drop the staging repo, delete the tag, roll back the version, and run again. This

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Olivier Lamy
Yup tomcat does it. compare http://archive.apache.org/dist/tomcat/tomcat-7/ with http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/tomcat/tc7.0.x/tags/ and http://archive.apache.org/dist/tomcat/tomcat-6/ with http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/tomcat/tc6.0.x/tags/ 2013/5/29 Kristian Rosenvold : > Isn't the main sour

RE: core-integration-testing-maven-3-jdk-1.7 - Build # 651 - Still Failing

2013-05-29 Thread Eric Barboni
Hi, Sharing some information: -- Build on linux box (fedora, Jenkins 1516) What I understand of the job is Phase 1) clone maven source Remove .repository ant build all on local repository.repository maven stored in apache-maven-3-SNAPSHOT Phase 2) Clo

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Stephen Connolly
I am fine with it if there is a clear page which shows the status of each release (i.e. linked from the downloads page: http://maven.apache.org/download.cgi) And if we want to go that way, I say let's just drop all the alpha crap. and go for 3.1.0 straight. My point is that there is a trade off..

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Kristian Rosenvold
Isn't the main source of confusion here that the "vote" thread is not detached from the previous thread and that "Take X" is not added to the subject ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For addit

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Arnaud Héritier
> > But having said all that, if we can find a good way to flag versions as not > released (e.g. a release history page or something) I am not against > skipping version numbers. Might confuse people though if that meant that > the first release of Maven 3.1.0 was 3.1.4 (i.e. if we had not been doi

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Olivier Lamy
2013/5/29 Stephen Connolly : > On 29 May 2013 06:49, jieryn wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY >> wrote: >> > I'd like to work on Arnaud's idea of error message enhancement in case a >> > plugin fails because of unavailable Sonatype Aether: if you can let

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 29 May 2013 06:49, jieryn wrote: > Greetings, > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY > wrote: > > I'd like to work on Arnaud's idea of error message enhancement in case a > > plugin fails because of unavailable Sonatype Aether: if you can let me > 12 more > > hours from now, I'll

Re: CALL TO CONTRIBUTION: dist tooling

2013-05-29 Thread Olivier Lamy
weird. what is the error message ? and svn url you are using ? 2013/5/29 Eric Barboni : > Sorry, but Maven sandbox is write protected for me. > > I created a svn patch file but I don't know where to fill the issue > (project, component in jira). > > Regards, > > Eric > > -Message d'origine

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Arnaud Héritier
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Stephen Connolly < stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > There were method signature changes as well, so its not just a package > rename IIRC > Ok that explains it I remember there were some threads about it but I didn't read all of them. > > > On 29 May

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Stephen Connolly
There were method signature changes as well, so its not just a package rename IIRC On 29 May 2013 08:57, Jörg Schaible wrote: > Arnaud Héritier wrote: > > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY > > wrote: > > > >> good idea: can you open a Jira issue? > >> > > > > Done : https://jira

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Jörg Schaible
Arnaud Héritier wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY > wrote: > >> good idea: can you open a Jira issue? >> > > Done : https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5482 > Another probably more stupid idea : Wasn't it possible to use the shade > plugin or something like this to provid

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Arnaud Héritier
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote: > good idea: can you open a Jira issue? > Done : https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5482 Another probably more stupid idea : Wasn't it possible to use the shade plugin or something like this to provide a version of aether under the old grou

RE: CALL TO CONTRIBUTION: dist tooling

2013-05-29 Thread Eric Barboni
Sorry, but Maven sandbox is write protected for me. I created a svn patch file but I don't know where to fill the issue (project, component in jira). Regards, Eric -Message d'origine- De : Hervé BOUTEMY [mailto:herve.bout...@free.fr] Envoyé : mardi 28 mai 2013 22:44 À : Maven Developer

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1

2013-05-29 Thread Mark Struberg
alpha-1 to n works fine imo. We should not loose pace by holding up the effort with such minor stuff. LieGrue, strub - Original Message - > From: Baptiste Mathus > To: Maven Developers List > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2013, 8:47 > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1 > > L