Re: Pom changes

2011-06-28 Thread Milos Kleint
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:02 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > But why do 2.0.10 users need to build against brand-spanking-new poms? > And, if they do, could we give them a downconversion tool? > the new poms will arrive to central for everyone to use.. Milos > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:47 PM, S

Re: svn commit: r1131500 - in /maven/pom/trunk/asf: pom.xml src/ src/site/ src/site/apt/ src/site/apt/index.apt src/site/site.xml

2011-06-28 Thread sebb
On 28 June 2011 15:40, Benson Margulies wrote: > Sebb, > > I think that you are pointing at the dilemma at the center of this. > > Anything like this that we put into the top pom is inherited unless > overriden, and people are skittish about accidently making everything > part of the Maven project

Re: Pom changes

2011-06-28 Thread Benson Margulies
But why do 2.0.10 users need to build against brand-spanking-new poms? And, if they do, could we give them a downconversion tool? On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Stephen Connolly wrote: > maven 2.0.10 is still widely used. and convincing enterprises to upgrade is > tricky... even our own model

Re: Pom changes

2011-06-28 Thread Stephen Connolly
maven 2.0.10 is still widely used. and convincing enterprises to upgrade is tricky... even our own model parsing is not forgiving if i recall correctly... so far as 3.0.x too - Stephen --- Sent from my Android phone, so random spelling mistakes, random nonsense words and other nonsense are a dire

Re: core integration tests trunk

2011-06-28 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > FYI I have created some jobs for core integration testing : > * ubuntu (1.5 and 1.6) > * windows (I have to investigate why it failed currently) > * osx (not yet osx here to debug :-) : I wonder if there any symlink > on osx for /tmp ?) /tmp

Pom changes

2011-06-28 Thread Benson Margulies
This is a new thread for the topic I accidentally started with Steven. I'm fairly new around here, so please try to forgive me for (re)stating the obvious. There is an ecosystem of tools that parse poms. They don't use any library we give them, they just parse them. We want old tools to handle n

Re: core integration tests trunk

2011-06-28 Thread Olivier Lamy
FYI I have created some jobs for core integration testing : * ubuntu (1.5 and 1.6) * windows (I have to investigate why it failed currently) * osx (not yet osx here to debug :-) : I wonder if there any symlink on osx for /tmp ?) See jobs here https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/Maven/ with nam

Re: [VOTE] ReleaseMaven Release plugin version 2.2

2011-06-28 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
+1 Regards, Hervé notice: the staging site is http://maven.apache.org/staging/maven-release/ Le lundi 27 juin 2011, Stephen Connolly a écrit : > Hi, > > We solved 12 issues: > http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=11144&styleName= > Html&version=16778 > > Staging repo: >

Re: [VOTE] ReleaseMaven Release plugin version 2.2

2011-06-28 Thread Olivier Lamy
+1 Thanks ! -- Olivier 2011/6/27 Stephen Connolly : > Hi, > > We solved 12 issues: > http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=11144&styleName=Html&version=16778 > > Staging repo: > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-061/ > > Source distribution: > https://r

Re: svn commit: r1131500 - in /maven/pom/trunk/asf: pom.xml src/ src/site/ src/site/apt/ src/site/apt/index.apt src/site/site.xml

2011-06-28 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
done [1] site deployed [2] any comments appreciated to continue to improve the documentation Regards, Hervé [1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/pom/trunk/asf/pom.xml?view=markup [2] http://maven.apache.org/pom/asf/ Le mardi 28 juin 2011, sebb a écrit : > May I make a plea for the ASF POM

Re: peri

2011-06-28 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 28 June 2011 16:27, Benson Margulies wrote: >> >> I agree, but if you stick to the "cannot change the pom format" the >> only thing you can just about do is introduce a new scope. >> > > Is this, "let's make this feature before we're willing to change the > pom" or "let's never change the pom".

Re: peri

2011-06-28 Thread Benson Margulies
I would offer alsoProvides for the feature you propose. On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: > On 28 June 2011 14:38, Benson Margulies wrote: >>> >>> Because why should I have to always state that I'm using >>> org.slf4j:log4j-over-slf4j and that it provides log4j:log4j

Re: peri

2011-06-28 Thread Benson Margulies
> > I agree, but if you stick to the "cannot change the pom format" the > only thing you can just about do is introduce a new scope. > Is this, "let's make this feature before we're willing to change the pom" or "let's never change the pom". ---

Re: peri

2011-06-28 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 28 June 2011 14:38, Benson Margulies wrote: >> >> Because why should I have to always state that I'm using >> org.slf4j:log4j-over-slf4j and that it provides log4j:log4j much >> better that the pom for org.slf4j:log4j-over-slf4j says "oh and by the >> way I provide log4j:log4j myself so you don

Re: svn commit: r1131500 - in /maven/pom/trunk/asf: pom.xml src/ src/site/ src/site/apt/ src/site/apt/index.apt src/site/site.xml

2011-06-28 Thread Benson Margulies
Sebb, I think that you are pointing at the dilemma at the center of this. Anything like this that we put into the top pom is inherited unless overriden, and people are skittish about accidently making everything part of the Maven project. Where would you propose that we put a link to that it wou

Re: peri

2011-06-28 Thread Benson Margulies
> > Because why should I have to always state that I'm using > org.slf4j:log4j-over-slf4j and that it provides log4j:log4j much > better that the pom for org.slf4j:log4j-over-slf4j says "oh and by the > way I provide log4j:log4j myself so you don't need to pull it in > transitively if you depend on

Re: peri

2011-06-28 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 28 June 2011 14:01, Benson Margulies wrote: >> The critical scope to add for me is something along the lines of >> "provides" or "supplies" or "embeds-equivalent" >> > > Why is this a scope and not just more configuration inside the > element? > >     >       >       >       >         >      

Re: maven-war-plugin problem - jar file unexpectedly trimmed (truncated)

2011-06-28 Thread Stéphan BEUZE
I finally find a solution. In the web-app/web-inf/lib directory, there was a jar file who was sharing the same name with the dependent jar file. For a reason i don't understand, maven-war-plugin used to take this old jar file rather than the freshly one i installed in my local repository. ---

Re: peri

2011-06-28 Thread Benson Margulies
> The critical scope to add for me is something along the lines of > "provides" or "supplies" or "embeds-equivalent" > Why is this a scope and not just more configuration inside the element? > So that when computing the dependency tree, we

maven-war-plugin problem - jar file unexpectedly trimmed (truncated)

2011-06-28 Thread Stéphan BEUZE
Hi all, Sorry for annonying you, but i have searched my problem in the wiki, in the documentation, on the web, post it in various forums, in user-list and no one seems to be able to answer me. Here it is : I have a web-app configured with a pom.xml. This web-app relies on another maven m

Re: peri

2011-06-28 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 28 June 2011 11:38, Stephen Connolly wrote: > On 28 June 2011 11:31, Benson Margulies wrote: >> I was pretty sleepy last night. >> >> My residual disagreement is that 'provided' doesn't just mean 'copy to >> local repo'. It means 'copy to local repo and put in test classpath.' >> Yes, I now ge

Re: peri

2011-06-28 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 28 June 2011 11:31, Benson Margulies wrote: > I was pretty sleepy last night. > > My residual disagreement is that 'provided' doesn't just mean 'copy to > local repo'. It means 'copy to local repo and put in test classpath.' > Yes, I now get it, an appropriate packaging avoids any classpath. Th

Re: peri

2011-06-28 Thread Benson Margulies
I was pretty sleepy last night. My residual disagreement is that 'provided' doesn't just mean 'copy to local repo'. It means 'copy to local repo and put in test classpath.' Yes, I now get it, an appropriate packaging avoids any classpath. The word 'provided' is used because it's 'provided' by the

Re: core integration tests trunk

2011-06-28 Thread Lukas Theussl
I get the same failure on my Mac. I recommend to configure a jenkins job as multi-configuration type, see eg https://builds.apache.org/job/doxia/ (Just choose multi-configuration-project instead of maven2/3 project when adding the job) HTH, -Lukas Benson Margulies wrote: I just added an

Re: [VOTE] ReleaseMaven Release plugin version 2.2

2011-06-28 Thread Tony Chemit
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:23:27 +0100 Stephen Connolly wrote: +1 (non-binding) Thanks, Tony > Hi, > > We solved 12 issues: > http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=11144&styleName=Html&version=16778 > > Staging repo: > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven

Re: [VOTE] ReleaseMaven Release plugin version 2.2

2011-06-28 Thread Mark Struberg
+1 LieGrue, strub --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Stephen Connolly wrote: > From: Stephen Connolly > Subject: [VOTE] ReleaseMaven Release plugin version 2.2 > To: "Maven Developers List" > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 9:23 AM > Hi, > > We solved 12 issues: > http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.

Re: peri

2011-06-28 Thread Stan Devitt
Apologies: I hit the wrong button. I am enjoying this thread. My main observation so far is that if you need one custom scope (and I think you do) then you will need more. "Provided" is not enough. The custom scope seems to let you get at lists of dependencies that have a special purpose. Th