Re: [REDUX] Java Service Wrappers (JSW) unfortunate license change

2011-06-13 Thread Oleg Gusakov
On 6/13/11 9:52 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: On Jun 13, 2011, at 9:02 PM, Brett Porter wrote: On 14/06/2011, at 1:05 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: On Jun 13, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Nigel Magnay wrote: There is a fork under the old license here: https://bitbucket.org/ivertex/java-service-wrapper/overview

Re: [VOTE] Release maven shared parent version 20

2011-06-13 Thread Mark Struberg
+1 LieGrue, strub --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Lukas Theussl wrote: > From: Lukas Theussl > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release maven shared parent version 20 > To: "Maven Developers List" > Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 6:27 AM > > +1 > > -Lukas > > > Benson Margulies wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We solved 1

Re: [VOTE] Release maven shared parent version 20

2011-06-13 Thread Lukas Theussl
+1 -Lukas Benson Margulies wrote: Hi, We solved 1 issues: ** Improvement * [MPOM-11] - Update to compile with/for java1.5 There are no open JIRAs against the maven shared POM. Staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-071/ Staging site: N/A Guide to tes

Re: [REDUX] Java Service Wrappers (JSW) unfortunate license change

2011-06-13 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 13, 2011, at 9:02 PM, Brett Porter wrote: > > On 14/06/2011, at 1:05 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: > >> >> On Jun 13, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Nigel Magnay wrote: >> >>> There is a fork under the old license here: >>> >>> https://bitbucket.org/ivertex/java-service-wrapper/overview >>> >> >> I apo

Re: [REDUX] Java Service Wrappers (JSW) unfortunate license change

2011-06-13 Thread Brett Porter
On 14/06/2011, at 1:05 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: > > On Jun 13, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Nigel Magnay wrote: > >> There is a fork under the old license here: >> >> https://bitbucket.org/ivertex/java-service-wrapper/overview >> > > I apologize if I missed it somewhere in this thread, but as I recall co

Re: [REDUX] Java Service Wrappers (JSW) unfortunate license change

2011-06-13 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 13, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Nigel Magnay wrote: > There is a fork under the old license here: > > https://bitbucket.org/ivertex/java-service-wrapper/overview > I apologize if I missed it somewhere in this thread, but as I recall commons exec was created primarily due to the license change of

http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5108

2011-06-13 Thread Benson Margulies
I just went and did a light rewrite from Benjamin Bentmann's blog at Sonatype into the POM apt doc. Benjamin, do you have any objection to this bit of appropriation? If you do, I'll have to think of a way to explain it without. -

Re: Get thee to the Core...

2011-06-13 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
While we have a good standard for plugin site organization [1] that was debated a few years ago to improve Maven documentation, we have nothing for components. And the actual state is not good: see Maven core, where even simplest description of every component is not done but inherited from par

Participation Requested: Survey about Open-Source Software Development

2011-06-13 Thread Jeffrey Carver
Hi, Drs. Jeffrey Carver, Rosanna Guadagno, Debra McCallum, and Mr. Amiangshu Bosu, University of Alabama, and Dr. Lorin Hochstein, University of Southern California, are conducting a survey of open-source software developers. This survey seeks to understand how developers on distributed, virtual

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 13 June 2011 16:56, John Casey wrote: > > > On 6/13/11 11:06 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: >> >> On 13 June 2011 15:43, John Casey  wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 6/13/11 10:40 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: On 13 June 2011 15:36, John Casey    wrote: > > > On 6/13/11 8:45 AM, Stephen C

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread John Casey
On 6/13/11 11:06 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: On 13 June 2011 15:43, John Casey wrote: On 6/13/11 10:40 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: On 13 June 2011 15:36, John Caseywrote: On 6/13/11 8:45 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: On 13 June 2011 12:48, Benson Margulies wrote: Let's be sp

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Benson Margulies
My thought exactly! On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: > On 13 June 2011 15:43, John Casey wrote: >> >> >> On 6/13/11 10:40 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: >>> >>> On 13 June 2011 15:36, John Casey  wrote: On 6/13/11 8:45 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: > >

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 13 June 2011 15:43, John Casey wrote: > > > On 6/13/11 10:40 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: >> >> On 13 June 2011 15:36, John Casey  wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 6/13/11 8:45 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: On 13 June 2011 12:48, Benson Margulies    wrote: > > Let's be specific about a few

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread John Casey
On 6/13/11 10:40 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: On 13 June 2011 15:36, John Casey wrote: On 6/13/11 8:45 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: On 13 June 2011 12:48, Benson Margulieswrote: Let's be specific about a few classes. CollectionUtil has an @author of olamy and an apache notice, so I g

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 13 June 2011 15:36, John Casey wrote: > > > On 6/13/11 8:45 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: >> >> On 13 June 2011 12:48, Benson Margulies  wrote: >>> >>> Let's be specific about a few classes. >>> >>> CollectionUtil has an @author of olamy and an apache notice, so I >>> grabbed it rather than try t

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread John Casey
On 6/13/11 8:45 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: On 13 June 2011 12:48, Benson Margulies wrote: Let's be specific about a few classes. CollectionUtil has an @author of olamy and an apache notice, so I grabbed it rather than try to recreate it. did you check the svn log? FastMap and CachedMap

Re: [REDUX] Java Service Wrappers (JSW) unfortunate license change

2011-06-13 Thread Nigel Magnay
There is a fork under the old license here: https://bitbucket.org/ivertex/java-service-wrapper/overview On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > There's no such thing as a 'retroactive license change', though > perhaps the Tanuki-person has managed a sufficient approximation.

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen Connolly
Lets get a list of the cases we want to copy. keep the list in the wiki page, and when we have the full list we will review. On 13 June 2011 14:45, Benson Margulies wrote: > Keep in mind that I am not proposing that we bulk-copy from the plexus > code. I'm proposing that for classes where (1) the

Re: [REDUX] Java Service Wrappers (JSW) unfortunate license change

2011-06-13 Thread Benson Margulies
The legal risk involved in downloading and using a jar of code pushed to central under false pretenses is very small. 'Using', as opposed to 'incorporating in your release.' The appassembler is a weird case. You don't see the JSW as a dependency, exactly, yet you end up with a copy in your distrib

Re: [REDUX] Java Service Wrappers (JSW) unfortunate license change

2011-06-13 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Brett Porter wrote: > None of this discussion is really relevant for this list... except maybe that > pointing to a URL for a license in the POM is not a good idea. This is really what I wanted to raise here (just a bit difficult without context) > If someone

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Benson Margulies
Keep in mind that I am not proposing that we bulk-copy from the plexus code. I'm proposing that for classes where (1) there's no drop-in replacement from commons, (2) they are labelled with a Apache license, and (3) they are small and hard to recreate without effectively copying them, that we take

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Mark Struberg
Well, from the legal pov we are on the safe side because the sources we took the code from are ALv2. If this ALv2 license tag is not appropriate then we are still on the safe side and no one could sue us! The only thing we would need to do in this case is that we'd have to rewrite those tiny f

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Benson Margulies
Mark, I think it appropriate to mix in the scale. I bet you that if we opened a ticket on legal-discuss that said, 'there's a 50-line java source file with an Apache license sitting at Codehaus, can we incorporate it?' that the answer would be yes. If someone then wanted to show up and specifical

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 13 June 2011 14:03, Mark Struberg wrote: > I think there are 2 sides of the story. > If you know who applied the ALv2 license to the code in question, then you're > fine. > If you don't have any provenance then you better back off from taking the > sources. > > I think it's pretty safe to tak

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Mark Struberg
I think there are 2 sides of the story. If you know who applied the ALv2 license to the code in question, then you're fine. If you don't have any provenance then you better back off from taking the sources. I think it's pretty safe to take ALv2 licensed sources from codehaus.org Plexus projec

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 13 June 2011 13:54, Benson Margulies wrote: > There's an IP principle that is escaping me here. > > According to the previous answered legal questions page, as I read it, > if you find a small amount of source anywhere, and it has an Apache > license notice on it, you can incorporate it into an

[ANN] Maven Plugin Plugin and Maven Plugin Tools 2.8 Released

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen Connolly
The Maven team is pleased to announce the release of the Maven Plugin Plugin and Maven Plugin Tools, version 2.8 This plugin is used to create a Maven plugin descriptor for any Mojo's found in the source tree, to include in the JAR. It is also used to generate report files for the Mojos as well as

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Benson Margulies
There's an IP principle that is escaping me here. According to the previous answered legal questions page, as I read it, if you find a small amount of source anywhere, and it has an Apache license notice on it, you can incorporate it into an Apache project without any further research into provena

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Olivier Lamy
Hello, 2011/6/13 Benson Margulies : > Let's be specific about a few classes. > > CollectionUtil has an @author of olamy and an apache notice, so I > grabbed it rather than try to recreate it. Doh I don't remember why it's here :-) . In fact not sure it was for Maven (maybe written long time ago f

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 13 June 2011 12:48, Benson Margulies wrote: > Let's be specific about a few classes. > > CollectionUtil has an @author of olamy and an apache notice, so I > grabbed it rather than try to recreate it. did you check the svn log? > > FastMap and CachedMap are grabbed from javolution. We can call

Re: Turkish Tutorial

2011-06-13 Thread Altuğ Bilgin Altıntaş
Thanks 2011/6/13 Benson Margulies > Please don't add unrelated material to existing links. > > Please open a JIRA with an explanation of your content and a > committer, if we can find one who can understand it, can add it to the > site. We might also have an open Wiki that you can edit, someone

Turkish Tutorial

2011-06-13 Thread Benson Margulies
Please don't add unrelated material to existing links. Please open a JIRA with an explanation of your content and a committer, if we can find one who can understand it, can add it to the site. We might also have an open Wiki that you can edit, someone else might be able to pipe up. 2011/6/13 Alt

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Altuğ Bilgin Altıntaş
Hi all; We have created new Maven screencast (Turkish version). This video anwers below questions 1 - What is Maven 2 -How can you set up it 3 - Maven integration - pom.xml explanatation Here is the link : http://www.kodcu.com/2011/03/apache-maven-teknolojisine-giris-video/ How can we add this

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Benson Margulies
Let's be specific about a few classes. CollectionUtil has an @author of olamy and an apache notice, so I grabbed it rather than try to recreate it. FastMap and CachedMap are grabbed from javolution. We can call the current javolution from the bridge. StringInputStream and StringOutputStream are

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
> plexus-utils in core... and how we class-load plexus-utils is IIRC > that we force the core version on all plugins no matter what they > use... so if we remove a deprecated method and a plugin is expecting > it then that plugin breaks. no, this is not the case since Maven 2.0.6: see MNG-2892 FYI

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen Connolly
It's tempting... but I fear all that will happen is nobody will switch to the new impl... the WHOLE point of this bridge is to remove any dependency on plexus-utils in core... and how we class-load plexus-utils is IIRC that we force the core version on all plugins no matter what they use... so if

Re: Truly awful code in plexus...

2011-06-13 Thread Mark Struberg
Hi! If those methods are already deprecated, then I'd say we should drop them now. Most times those methods didn't got deprecated because they are 'unpretty' but because they are seriously flawed. Like missing encoding parameter, missing timezone, not multithreading capable, etc. So if those

Re: [VOTE] Release maven shared parent version 20

2011-06-13 Thread Kristian Rosenvold
+1 Den 13. juni 2011 kl. 10:08 skrev Stephen Connolly : > it is custom to include the viewcvs diff link when voting on the > release of one of the parent poms. > > In this case here is the link: > > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/pom/trunk/maven/pom.xml?r1=1134934&r2=1069626&diff_format=h > >

Re: [VOTE] Release maven shared parent version 20

2011-06-13 Thread Olivier Lamy
+1 2011/6/12 Benson Margulies : > Hi, > > We solved 1 issues: > > ** Improvement >    * [MPOM-11] - Update to compile with/for java1.5 > > There are no open JIRAs against the maven shared POM. > > Staging repo: > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-071/ > > Staging site: > N/A

Re: [VOTE] Release maven shared parent version 20

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen Connolly
Here is my +1 -Stephen On 13 June 2011 09:07, Stephen Connolly wrote: > it is custom to include the viewcvs diff link when voting on the > release of one of the parent poms. > > In this case here is the link: > > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/pom/trunk/maven/pom.xml?r1=1134934&r2=1069626&d

Re: [VOTE] Release maven shared parent version 20

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen Connolly
it is custom to include the viewcvs diff link when voting on the release of one of the parent poms. In this case here is the link: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/pom/trunk/maven/pom.xml?r1=1134934&r2=1069626&diff_format=h On 12 June 2011 16:31, Benson Margulies wrote: > Hi, > > We solved 1

[RESULT] [VOTE] Release Maven Plugin Tools Version 2.8

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 9 June 2011 11:03, Stephen Connolly wrote: > Hi, > > We solved 5 issues: > http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=11139&styleName=Html&version=17146 > > There are still a couple of issues left in JIRA: > http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&pid=1113