Re: Maven and the Apache processes...

2006-10-19 Thread Shane Isbell
Comment inline On 10/19/06, Dan Fabulich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm very glad that people are having this discussion here. I, too, give my heartfelt +1 to the notion of "promoting" the build to a release by simply copying it, but I've argued elsewhere that the way the maven-release-plugin w

RE: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Vincent Massol
+1 -Vincent > -Original Message- > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: jeudi 19 octobre 2006 16:58 > To: Maven Developers List > Subject: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich > > Hi, > > Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven > bootstrap

[jira] Subscription: Design & Best Practices

2006-10-19 Thread jira
Issue Subscription Filter: Design & Best Practices (37 issues) Subscriber: mavendevlist Key Summary MNG-2184Possible problem with @aggregator and forked lifecycles http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-2184 MNG-612 implement conflict resolution techniques htt

RE: Maven and the Apache processes...

2006-10-19 Thread Brian E. Fox
"Some projects don't do preliminary tags and release candidates, they build 2.0.7 once and if any problems are found, they just move on to 2.0.8. Then there are others that don't like to "skip" release numbers, so they'll just keep rebuilding 2.0.7 until they get it right." We do the former. Eac

RE: Re: Continuum behind SSL, any progress on this

2006-10-19 Thread Brian E. Fox
Jorg, The module that implements this isn't part of the standard mod_proxy. See my previous post or my comments here http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/CONTINUUM-734 to see how it's done. -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jorg Heymans Sent: Thursday, Octob

Re: turned off ci.sh for trunk

2006-10-19 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 19 Oct 06, at 7:44 PM 19 Oct 06, Brett Porter wrote: Since it was deleted :) I'm assuming Jason is going to work to get stuff up on Continuum somewhere in short order, which I think is just fantabulous. Crossing it off my todo list right now in fact - thanks guys! :) Yah, I found so

RE: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Brian E. Fox
+1 -Original Message- From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:58 AM To: Maven Developers List Subject: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich Hi, Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven bootstrap and integration test

turned off ci.sh for trunk

2006-10-19 Thread Brett Porter
Since it was deleted :) I'm assuming Jason is going to work to get stuff up on Continuum somewhere in short order, which I think is just fantabulous. Crossing it off my todo list right now in fact - thanks guys! :) - Brett ---

Re: contents of a 1.1 release

2006-10-19 Thread Brett Porter
Something I saw a while back and have been reminded of (they just had a recent release): http://jameleon.sourceforge.net/ Worth looking at too? It builds on top of jWebUnit and others, and might make authoring test cases easier. And they build with Maven :) - Brett On 19/10/2006, at 1:40

Re: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Vincent Siveton
+1 Vincent 2006/10/19, Emmanuel Venisse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: +1 Emmanuel Jason van Zyl a écrit : > Hi, > > Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven > bootstrap and integration testing which are not for the faint of heart. > He's been great at communicating solution

Re: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Emmanuel Venisse
+1 Emmanuel Jason van Zyl a écrit : Hi, Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven bootstrap and integration testing which are not for the faint of heart. He's been great at communicating solutions and has done a lot of work and submitted many patches to make our b

Re: Continuum WAR snapshot - installation instructions anywhere?

2006-10-19 Thread Brett Porter
Thanks, I guess it's been longer since I used Tomcat than I thought :) I forgot they were all attributes. - Brett On 20/10/2006, at 1:23 AM, Graham Leggett wrote: On Thu, October 19, 2006 4:24 pm, Jesse McConnell wrote: Graham, if you confirm you have it working just get me the settings yo

Re: Getting started on repository security again

2006-10-19 Thread Brett Porter
Do you have a pointer? I'm not sure what you are referring to. Eric - can you reply here? - Brett On 20/10/2006, at 2:57 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: On 19 Oct 06, at 3:39 AM 19 Oct 06, Brett Porter wrote: Hey folks, I'm going to take a stab at the repository security stuff this weekend if

Re: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Brett Porter
+1 On 20/10/2006, at 12:58 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: Hi, Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven bootstrap and integration testing which are not for the faint of heart. He's been great at communicating solutions and has done a lot of work and submitted many pa

Re: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
+1 Arnaud On 10/19/06, Dan Fabulich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Heh. Much appreciated! I'll get started on CLA stuff now... I'm looking forward to joining the team. :-) -Dan -Original Message- From: Mike Perham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:33 AM To:

Re: [vote] [m1] release changes, genapp, pom, clover, java, jira, simian plugins

2006-10-19 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
+1 for all Arnaud On 10/19/06, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 On 18 Oct 06, at 6:21 PM 18 Oct 06, Lukas Theussl wrote: > Hi all, > > I am slowly starting to get familiar with Maven again... > > The following m1 plugins only had some trivial updates since the > respective version

SV: SV: Mojo and it's own dependencies

2006-10-19 Thread Hermod Opstvedt
Hi I'll give it a shot Hermod -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 19. oktober 2006 23:36 Til: Maven Developers List Emne: Re: SV: Mojo and it's own dependencies On 19 Oct 06, at 5:19 PM 19 Oct 06, Hermod Opstvedt wrote: > Hi > > Yeah, now we're

Re: SV: Mojo and it's own dependencies

2006-10-19 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 19 Oct 06, at 5:19 PM 19 Oct 06, Hermod Opstvedt wrote: Hi Yeah, now we're talking. I need to setup a classpath for another java class that is to be run by an ant based mojo. So setting up the first mojo with the same dependencies as it, I will be able to supply the Ant script that as

SV: Mojo and it's own dependencies

2006-10-19 Thread Hermod Opstvedt
Hi Yeah, now we're talking. I need to setup a classpath for another java class that is to be run by an ant based mojo. So setting up the first mojo with the same dependencies as it, I will be able to supply the Ant script that as a classpath variable (Sneaky but does the trick) Hermod -Oppri

VS: Mojo and it's own dependencies

2006-10-19 Thread Hermod Opstvedt
Hi That will give you the dependencies of the project the mojo is running against, not the dependencies of the mojo itself. Med vennlig hilsen Hermod Opstvedt Webmaster Seiling.org/Norlys.org -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Dan Tran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 19. oktober 2006 19:55 Ti

Re: Maven and the Apache processes...

2006-10-19 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 19 Oct 06, at 3:58 PM 19 Oct 06, Wendy Smoak wrote: On 10/19/06, Daniel Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The problem is that this is not ALLOWED. The artifacts that were voted on MUST be the artifacts that are released. You cannot vote on one set of artifacts, then build a whole new

Re: Maven and the Apache processes...

2006-10-19 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Thursday October 19 2006 3:58 pm, Wendy Smoak wrote: > On 10/19/06, Daniel Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The problem is that this is not ALLOWED. The artifacts that were > > voted on MUST be the artifacts that are released. You cannot vote > > on one set of artifacts, then build a wh

Re: Maven and the Apache processes...

2006-10-19 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 10/19/06, Daniel Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The problem is that this is not ALLOWED. The artifacts that were voted on MUST be the artifacts that are released. You cannot vote on one set of artifacts, then build a whole new set of artifacts for the release. In practice, this does ac

RE: Maven and the Apache processes...

2006-10-19 Thread Dan Fabulich
I'm very glad that people are having this discussion here. I, too, give my heartfelt +1 to the notion of "promoting" the build to a release by simply copying it, but I've argued elsewhere that the way the maven-release-plugin works, really the very idea of the way that it works, is dangerous from

Re: Maven and the Apache processes...

2006-10-19 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Saturday October 14 2006 9:30 am, Kenney Westerhof wrote: > Hm. This only describes a major release. > > I think that branches should be created off tags, and that a developer > should do that, not a release plugin. > > The above process looks ok for major releases (with reservations), but > we

Re: Mojo and it's own dependencies

2006-10-19 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 19 Oct 06, at 1:50 PM 19 Oct 06, Hermod Opstvedt wrote: Hi Is there a Maven helper class that can be called from a Mojo that will give the Mojo access to it's own dependencies? You can use the expression ${plugin.artifacts} i.e. /** * @parameter expression="${plugin.artifacts}" */

Re: Maven and the Apache processes...

2006-10-19 Thread Daniel Kulp
> The maven release process criticism from Dan Kulp spawned an impromptu > ApacheCon gathering of the minds (Dan Kulp, Wendy Smoak, Jason Van Zyl, > and Myself) to define a better release process for maven. First off, thanks for that discussion. It was nice to sit down and really spell out th

Re: Continuum behind SSL, any progress on this

2006-10-19 Thread Jorg Heymans
Hi Reinhard, Reinhard Poetz wrote: - install mod_proxy_html and load it within your Apache configuration - add following lines to your Apache configuration file: ProxyRequests Off ProxyPass/ http://localhost:8082/ ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8082/ SetOutputFilter proxy-

RE: New Maven Embedder release?

2006-10-19 Thread Dan Fabulich
There's a JIRA issue for this (mostly where I've been recording patches) here: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-2617 It's not totally documented yet, but it will be once we feel sure we've finalized what the tests will look like. -Dan -Original Message- From: Stephane Nicoll [mailto

RE: integration testing thought

2006-10-19 Thread Dan Fabulich
They absolutely do run through Maven itself. In the new integration testing scheme, the integration tests become simple JUnit tests, which, IMO, makes them even easier to run than Mojos... you can just press Play in Eclipse/IDEA and get a nice red/green report. The most important advantage to thi

Re: Mojo and it's own dependencies

2006-10-19 Thread Dan Tran
project.getArtifacts() There are plenty of examples source at http://svn.codehaus.org/mojo/trunk/mojo -D On 10/19/06, Hermod Opstvedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Is there a Maven helper class that can be called from a Mojo that will give the Mojo access to it's own dependencies? Hermod

Mojo and it's own dependencies

2006-10-19 Thread Hermod Opstvedt
Hi Is there a Maven helper class that can be called from a Mojo that will give the Mojo access to it's own dependencies? Hermod - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [vote] [m1] release changes, genapp, pom, clover, java, jira, simian plugins

2006-10-19 Thread Jason van Zyl
+1 On 18 Oct 06, at 6:21 PM 18 Oct 06, Lukas Theussl wrote: Hi all, I am slowly starting to get familiar with Maven again... The following m1 plugins only had some trivial updates since the respective versions included in maven-1.1-beta-3, I think we could quickly release them for inclusi

RE: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Dan Fabulich
Heh. Much appreciated! I'll get started on CLA stuff now... I'm looking forward to joining the team. :-) -Dan -Original Message- From: Mike Perham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:33 AM To: Maven Developers List Subject: Re: [vote] commit access for Dan Fab

Re: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Carlos Sanchez
+1 On 10/19/06, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven bootstrap and integration testing which are not for the faint of heart. He's been great at communicating solutions and has done a lot of work and submitted many patc

Re: m2eclipse Readiness For Maven Eclipse Plugin

2006-10-19 Thread David H. DeWolf
I've tried the patch and it works for me too. Without it, it's a painfully manual process. . .any maven developers out there care to take a look and commit? David Rob Baily wrote: If this is the wrong forum for this question please let me know and I'll take whatever other path is recommende

Re: Getting started on repository security again

2006-10-19 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 19 Oct 06, at 3:39 AM 19 Oct 06, Brett Porter wrote: Hey folks, I'm going to take a stab at the repository security stuff this weekend if I can (at least some of the foundational stuff, I think hooking it up to the download validation will become a rabbit hole since all that stuff nee

Re: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Jesse McConnell
I think we should nominate him for sainthood too. :-) pretty sure that is a different mailing list...:P On 10/19/06, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven > bootstrap and integration testing which are not for th

Re: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Mike Perham
+1 I think we should nominate him for sainthood too. :-) On 10/19/06, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven bootstrap and integration testing which are not for the faint of heart. He's been great at communicating solu

[jnlp:generate] jarsigner

2006-10-19 Thread vincent . juge
Hi all, I'm facing trouble when generating a jnlp, especialy when launching the signjar. It takes a LOT of time to sign the jars. And the weird thing is, when I launch another maven process, it speeds up Anyone has already experienced this ? Any ideas ? Thanks a lot. This message and an

Re: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread John Casey
+1 On 10/19/06, Lukas Theussl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 -Lukas Jason van Zyl wrote: > Hi, > > Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven > bootstrap and integration testing which are not for the faint of heart. > He's been great at communicating solutions and ha

Re: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Lukas Theussl
+1 -Lukas Jason van Zyl wrote: Hi, Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven bootstrap and integration testing which are not for the faint of heart. He's been great at communicating solutions and has done a lot of work and submitted many patches to make our boo

Re: Continuum WAR snapshot - installation instructions anywhere?

2006-10-19 Thread Graham Leggett
On Thu, October 19, 2006 4:24 pm, Jesse McConnell wrote: > Graham, if you confirm you have it working just get me the settings > your using and I get the readme updated with it. After fiddling around for a bit, I got this to work as continuum.xml: The pathnames would nee

Re: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Jesse McConnell
+1 On 10/19/06, Kenney Westerhof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 Jason van Zyl wrote: > Hi, > > Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven > bootstrap and integration testing which are not for the faint of heart. > He's been great at communicating solutions and has done

Re: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Stephane Nicoll
+1 Stéphane On 10/19/06, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven bootstrap and integration testing which are not for the faint of heart. He's been great at communicating solutions and has done a lot of work and submitted

Re: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Kenney Westerhof
+1 Jason van Zyl wrote: Hi, Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven bootstrap and integration testing which are not for the faint of heart. He's been great at communicating solutions and has done a lot of work and submitted many patches to make our bootstrap and

Re: New Maven Embedder release?

2006-10-19 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 19 Oct 06, at 11:07 AM 19 Oct 06, Stephane Nicoll wrote: Jason, Are you recording this work regarding testing somewhere (jira/ confluence)? Nope, I'm just doing it and will present the changes as we approach the finish on trunk. The only one who's ever touch it is myself, Kenny, Br

Re: [vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Joakim Erdfelt
+1 Jason van Zyl wrote: > Hi, > > Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven > bootstrap and integration testing which are not for the faint of > heart. He's been great at communicating solutions and has done a lot > of work and submitted many patches to make our bootstra

Re: New Maven Embedder release?

2006-10-19 Thread Stephane Nicoll
Jason, Are you recording this work regarding testing somewhere (jira/confluence)? I still have blocking issues with the embedder for the ear mojo tests and I would like to solve them to release it. Thanks, Stéphane On 10/19/06, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 19 Oct 06, at 10:55

Re: integration testing thought

2006-10-19 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 19 Oct 06, at 7:58 AM 19 Oct 06, Brett Porter wrote: Hi, I haven't had a chance to look at the new bootstrap/integration testing stuff (it seems like the build is broken according to CI?), but had a thought I wanted to raise. Will the integration tests be runnable through Maven itself

Re: New Maven Embedder release?

2006-10-19 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 19 Oct 06, at 10:55 AM 19 Oct 06, Daniel Serodio wrote: The m2eclipse plugin (Eclipse's, not Maven's plugin) is depending on a stable Maven Embedder release in order to make a new release. When the new ITs setup is done I will start merging in some changes from a branch I have. Do

[vote] commit access for Dan Fabulich

2006-10-19 Thread Jason van Zyl
Hi, Over the last month Dan has been helping a great deal with the Maven bootstrap and integration testing which are not for the faint of heart. He's been great at communicating solutions and has done a lot of work and submitted many patches to make our bootstrap and integration testing m

New Maven Embedder release?

2006-10-19 Thread Daniel Serodio
The m2eclipse plugin (Eclipse's, not Maven's plugin) is depending on a stable Maven Embedder release in order to make a new release. Do you have an expected release date for a Maven Embedder release? Is there something I can do to help this release happen sooner? I'm an experienced Java developer,

Re: Continuum WAR snapshot - installation instructions anywhere?

2006-10-19 Thread Jesse McConnell
Graham, if you confirm you have it working just get me the settings your using and I get the readme updated with it. thanks, jesse On 10/19/06, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For Jetty, look in jetty-env.xml in the webapp. For Tomcat, I think it's this (derived from my plexus configu

Re: Continuum WAR snapshot - installation instructions anywhere?

2006-10-19 Thread Brett Porter
For Jetty, look in jetty-env.xml in the webapp. For Tomcat, I think it's this (derived from my plexus configuration for the naming component, should match Tomcat though): jdbc/users javax.sql.DataSource driverClassN

Re: Continuum WAR snapshot - installation instructions anywhere?

2006-10-19 Thread ben short
well it should be pretty easy... Assuming you know how to setup a deaby server and how to create databases then you just need to change the driver class and url of each resource and you should be in busness. Ben On 10/19/06, Graham Leggett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ben short wrote: > I used

Re: Continuum WAR snapshot - installation instructions anywhere?

2006-10-19 Thread Graham Leggett
ben short wrote: I used the admin webapp for tomcat 5.5 to create the following two jndi resources. jdbc/continuum jdbc/users This resulted in the following context being created in the server.xml Is there any easy to follow config out there that describes setting up a derby database with c

Re: Continuum WAR snapshot - installation instructions anywhere?

2006-10-19 Thread ben short
I used the admin webapp for tomcat 5.5 to create the following two jndi resources. jdbc/continuum jdbc/users This resulted in the following context being created in the server.xml /opt/tomcat/conf/context.xml /opt/tomcat/conf/context.xml On 10/19/06, G

Continuum WAR snapshot - installation instructions anywhere?

2006-10-19 Thread Graham Leggett
Hi all, After going through the build process for continuum v1.1-SNAPSHOT, the end result is a WAR file, which I dropped into a tomcat container. On startup I get the following error: 2006-10-19 15:07:29,654 [main] INFO PlexusContainer- Loading on start [role]: [org.apache

Re: Continuum behind SSL, any progress on this

2006-10-19 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Graham Leggett wrote: Hi all, It seems that http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/CONTINUUM-734 "Can't use continuum behind https proxy" still hasn't been resolved, which is a serious oversight. Looking at the code, is this a continuum problem or a plexus problem? Has there been any progress on t

Re: bad checksums

2006-10-19 Thread Nicolas DE LOOF
Here is a grep from archiva.log for Artifact failures due to "Checksum failures occurred while downloading ..." commons-chain/commons-chain/1.1/commons-chain-1.1.pom org/codehaus/plexus/plexus-compiler/1.5.2/plexus-compiler-1.5.2.pom commons-validator/commons-validator/1.3.0/commons-validator-

integration testing thought

2006-10-19 Thread Brett Porter
Hi, I haven't had a chance to look at the new bootstrap/integration testing stuff (it seems like the build is broken according to CI?), but had a thought I wanted to raise. Will the integration tests be runnable through Maven itself? ie, can the verifier be wrapped in a mojo (which I figu

Re: Continuum behind SSL, any progress on this

2006-10-19 Thread Graham Leggett
Brian E. Fox wrote: Someone asked about this a while ago (perhaps you). I have this working but I had to use the http://apache.webthing.com/mod_proxy_html/config.html and recompiled a mod_proxy for apache 2.0.55. It works perfectly for this and other proxy unfriendly apps. I'll update the jira w

Re: Continuum behind SSL, any progress on this

2006-10-19 Thread Graham Leggett
Carlos Sanchez wrote: I think this is already fixed for 1.1 Busy building trunk now, will confirm whether it's fixed. Regards, Graham -- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

MSUREFIREREP-26

2006-10-19 Thread berndq
Hi, would it be possible for someone to verify the patches and provide a snapshot :-) (or a release ;-) ) thanks on advance! best regards Bernd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMA

Re: bad checksum

2006-10-19 Thread Nicolas DE LOOF
I also get checkum errors for those artefacts : - commons-chain/commons-chain/1.1/commons-chain-1.1.pom - org/codehaus/plexus/plexus-compiler/1.5.2/plexus-compiler-1.5.2.pom - commons-validator/commons-validator/1.3.0/commons-validator-1.3.0-sources.jar - commons-validator/commons-validator/1.

Getting started on repository security again

2006-10-19 Thread Brett Porter
Hey folks, I'm going to take a stab at the repository security stuff this weekend if I can (at least some of the foundational stuff, I think hooking it up to the download validation will become a rabbit hole since all that stuff needs some work). If you have any feedback on the proposal [

Re: Building and running?

2006-10-19 Thread Philippe Faes
Thanks Jesse, One more thing: the ouput of "mvn clean install" will only end up in build.log if you send it there yourself: "mvn clean install | tee result.log". grtz Philippe The output of the build will be in build.log. On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 11:58 -0500, Jesse McConnell wrote: > readme is

RE: SNAPSHOT policy

2006-10-19 Thread Jörg Schaible
Jason van Zyl wrote on Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:48 AM: > On 18 Oct 06, at 4:18 PM 18 Oct 06, Dennis Lundberg wrote: > >> Jörg Schaible wrote: >>> Hi Dennis, >>> Dennis Lundberg wrote: >>> [snip] >>> > = >>> = >