Re: Java 9 modules

2017-04-22 Thread Ralph Goers
This is an interesting look at the problems faced in getting Hibernate to work. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/43258796/hibernate-support-for-java-9 . The issue with the compile problem with javax.xml are familiar to m

Re: Java 9 modules

2017-04-22 Thread Ralph Goers
Oh - I just reread this. S far as I know Java 9 has a scheduled release date. It is July 27. BTW - here is the complete set of features - https://docs.oracle.com/javase/9/whatsnew/toc.htm#JSNEW-GUID-BA9D8AF6-E706-4327-8909-F6747B8F35C5

Re: Java 9 modules

2017-04-22 Thread Matt Sicker
My workplaces have generally tried to stay up to date with new releases except for occasional legacy applications that are barely being updated anymore. However, that pattern remains to be seen with how much backwards compatibility is broken by Java 9. On 22 April 2017 at 17:45, Ralph Goers wrote

Re: Java 9 modules

2017-04-22 Thread Ralph Goers
That is interesting. Where I work we moved straight from Java 6 to 8 and skipped 7. That move was fairly painless. Despite me wanting to keep compatibility with Java 7 here, everything I am using at work is running on Java 8. But I anticipate the move to Java 9 is going to be fairly painful for

Re: Java 9 modules

2017-04-22 Thread Ralph Goers
I have no problem introducing things that let our users take advantage of Java 8 features so long as we continue to support our Java 7 users. My plan for Java 9 is the same as that. IOW, we can’t take advantage of language constructs or JDK features that require us to compile with Java 9. Tha

Re: Java 9 modules

2017-04-22 Thread Gary Gregory
That's a given IMO. For my work projects, there is so much inertia anchoring to Java 7 for various reasons. One of the many fun things of FOSS for me is that things move faster than for work projects. So keeping on hearing that we must stay on Java 7 is not great. Yeah, there is the multi jar th

Re: Java 9 modules

2017-04-22 Thread Matt Sicker
I'm starting to worry that Java 9 is going to be like Python 3 and that it'll take years and years to get even a majority of users on board with it due to these changes. On 22 April 2017 at 13:13, Ralph Goers wrote: > WRT modules my plan is to hope for the best and expect the worst. I am > work

Re: Java 9 modules

2017-04-22 Thread Ralph Goers
WRT modules my plan is to hope for the best and expect the worst. I am working as we speak to create the module-info files for Java 9. These shouldn’t cause any harm to applications that choose to not use Java modules but will be necessary for those who do. If we don’t support it I would expec

Re: Java 9 modules

2017-04-22 Thread Gary Gregory
Let me play devil's advocate here for a sec... Java 9 modules and this auto naming business sounds painful. Is there any chance that this feature will be ignored like java.util.logging is or should be? Can we stop tying ourselves into unreleased pretzels over a moving target since we do not know

[jira] [Commented] (LOG4J2-1883) Timestamp does not seem to support microseconds level

2017-04-22 Thread Andrei Ivanov (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-1883?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=15980029#comment-15980029 ] Andrei Ivanov commented on LOG4J2-1883: --- Btw, I see that JDK9/10 bugs and some feat

[jira] [Commented] (LOG4NET-563) Site: make the site look like the site of other logging subprojects

2017-04-22 Thread Stefan Bodewig (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4NET-563?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=15979852#comment-15979852 ] Stefan Bodewig commented on LOG4NET-563: Sure, take your time. I haven't regenera

[jira] [Commented] (LOG4NET-563) Site: make the site look like the site of other logging subprojects

2017-04-22 Thread Dominik Psenner (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4NET-563?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=15979846#comment-15979846 ] Dominik Psenner commented on LOG4NET-563: - Thanks Stefan for your time. I like th