Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Adams Musa
The submitter must acquire the skills to transmit reliable write-ups to draw the attention of consumers. On Nov 2, 2018 10:43 PM, "Dmitriy Pavlov" wrote: > Hi Craig, > > Ignite dev list is now quite busy-list. GitHub comments are not forwarded > (for the main repository, it is only forwarded for

Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Dmitriy Pavlov
Hi Craig, Ignite dev list is now quite busy-list. GitHub comments are not forwarded (for the main repository, it is only forwarded for an additional GitBox repository, and probably we need to disable it as well or create notifications list). Forwarding comments may create additional pressure to co

Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Craig Russell
+1 to what Myrle says. I especially like the idea of engaging the submitter to discuss a pull request. Even if it's to say "Thanks for this. It looks perfect as is". But often, there will be a bit of back and forth. One potential problem is the work flow using the github tools, which can have

Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Myrle Krantz
+1 on everything Chris says here. If anyone on the PMC is uncomfortable with making someone a committer because of their uncommunicativeness, I'd be inclined to give it a little more time. A "no" now, doesn't mean a "no" forever. Maybe ask that person a few questions about their PR's on the list

Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Ishamisham Ishamisham
Pada 2 Nov 2018 20:49, "Rafael Weingärtner" menulis: Hey Christofer, you just said what I was going to comment. How is it possible for someone to contribute code (opening a PR, and so on) without engaging with the community? I mean, don’t you have a reviewing process to accept/merge code? We ha

Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
I agree that it's hard to be a critical and crucial part of a community without being *IN* the community. More than anything, the PMC is the entity within the ASF that is the community representative for a project. They "run" the project for the community with the understanding that they unders

Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Ishamisham Ishamisham
Pada 2 Nov 2018 20:49, "Bertrand Delacretaz" menulis: On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 1:43 PM Christofer Dutz wrote: > ...I think these contributions would just be uncommented code-drops... Code speaks louder than words sometimes ;-) But in general I agree with you. -Bertrand ---

Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 1:43 PM Christofer Dutz wrote: > ...I think these contributions would just be uncommented code-drops... Code speaks louder than words sometimes ;-) But in general I agree with you. -Bertrand - To unsubsc

Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Rafael Weingärtner
Hey Christofer, you just said what I was going to comment. How is it possible for someone to contribute code (opening a PR, and so on) without engaging with the community? I mean, don’t you have a reviewing process to accept/merge code? We had this situation in the past in CloudStack, and you sti

Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Christofer Dutz
Hi Dimitriy, well I guess I simply forgot about the option the PMC != Committers ;-) So I agree, in some cases I could probably support someone not able to communicate because of such reasons a committer, but definitely not to become a PMC. But if it's just laziness or unwillingness (for whatev

Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Dmitriy Pavlov
Dear ASF Fellows, I strongly appreciate all your replies. I believe there is no just one correct answer. Which is why I need opinions of folks from other projects. Myrle, Apache Ignite has 26 PMC members and 38 committers, so PMCs is a subset of committers set. About collaboration: I guess these

Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Myrle Krantz
Hi Dmitriy, Is Ignite a PMC = committer community or a PMC ⊂ committer community? You may have different requirements for communication level depending on which of these your community is. But I don't believe it is possible to write very good code without being willing to talk with others about

Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 10:22 AM Christofer Dutz wrote: >... So if someone is an awesome coder, but doesn't communicate, I would not >invite him or vote for inviting... I agree with that when it comes to inviting people on a PMC. I think it's fine to accept code contributions from people who are

Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Christofer Dutz
Have to admit it was the title which triggered me ... but I guess it was intentionally ;-) Well for me it is clear: Communication == Community Code == Code And: Community over Code. So if someone is an awesome coder, but doesn't communicate, I would not invite him or vote for inviting. In th

Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Malcolm Upayavira Holmes
I cannot see how someone could be a an effective community member without joining the community's communication channel. That just seems a practical necessity. Especially if someone is to be given the keys, to become a committer. They need to be there to respond, e.g. if they were to break thing

The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate

2018-11-02 Thread Dmitriy Pavlov
Dear ASF Fellows, I am PMC member of Apache Ignite, but I joined PMC relatively recently. I need help from you again in regarding the Apache Way. Question is related to comittership for community members, - who are not visible on dev/user list, have a couple of threads they participated - but c