Tidelift was catastrophic.
Chris
From: Jarek Potiuk
Date: Sunday, 6. November 2022 at 22:41
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Tidelift
Yep. That's one of the main "DON'Ts" that are going to be there.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 9:03 AM Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
Yep. That's one of the main "DON'Ts" that are going to be there.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 9:03 AM Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> Ralph Goers wrote:
> > ...I personally have no problem having a project support page
> > that lists the individuals who accept GitHub sponsorships. Likewise I
> > think i
Ralph Goers wrote:
> ...I personally have no problem having a project support page
> that lists the individuals who accept GitHub sponsorships. Likewise I
> think it would be OK to list the people who are accepting sponsorship from
> Tidelift
+1, and IMO such pages should include a disclaimer
(PMC of Apache projects I mean of course)
On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 11:11 PM Jarek Potiuk wrote:
>
> Since you wanted to have a smooth and nice cooperation - as a
> courtesy, Is it possible that you explicitly put ASF there and
> obligations that are not valid (especially when you reach out to PM
Since you wanted to have a smooth and nice cooperation - as a
courtesy, Is it possible that you explicitly put ASF there and
obligations that are not valid (especially when you reach out to PMCs
of Airflow projects)?
I think otherwise it puts too much responsibility on individuals to
check what
The wording now basically says that anything listed as an obligation can
be ignored if it conflicts with your organization’s policy requirements. So
that should make it possible for individuals to agree to work with Tidelift
without the PMC agreeing to anything.
That said, I personally have no
I think the door was always open to work with Tidelift by the individuals.
This has never been a problem (and recruiting individual PMC members
by you was never a problem either).
However, yes, I do have a question now. I am actually - as a PMC
member of Apache Airflow interested. You have one of
Hi Jarek,
> I have a question - what exactly do you expect here? What is your ask and
> proposal ? I read the docs and I have not found any action that I or
anyone
> else here could take here - (possibly that's why you did not get any
> response) - I looked at it several days ago but I could not f
I have a question - what exactly do you expect here? What is your ask and
proposal ? I read the docs and I have not found any action that I or anyone
else here could take here - (possibly that's why you did not get any
response) - I looked at it several days ago but I could not find anything I
coul
Hi folks, I wanted to follow up on this thread to let everyone know that
we've taken the feedback from ASF community members across a variety of
threads and updated our agreements accordingly. For context, I've attached
a doc summarizing discussion as it stood back in February (including links
to o
On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 3:51 AM Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> Jared, I like your descriptions! If you replace sponsor with vendor it should
> be very familiar to us all!
First of all: +1 to Jarek's idea.
Second of all, now that I have the board's blessing to go and explore
the Tidelift-like situations
Jared, I like your descriptions! If you replace sponsor with vendor it should
be very familiar to us all!
All the best,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 22, 2022, at 4:12 PM, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
>
> Hey Roman,
>
> I like it too. Happy to help too. I think it's not very far for Tidelift to
Hey Roman,
I like it too. Happy to help too. I think it's not very far for Tidelift to
adjust their model.
Maybe what could be helpful is to have some page/policy where we describe
what can/cannot/should be from a Sponsor/PMC and contributor in exchange
for money:
I see for example (I am not nat
Jim said:
> IMO, the foundation and the project should do nothing associated with
this. It should neither encourage or condone it. In no way should we enter
into any agreement, contract, whatever, w/ Tidelift. If Tidelift wishes to
work independently and directly w/ people, that's fine. But having
> And speaking from my extremely parochial POV as part of the SpamAssassin
> project, I know that our requests for "support" often amount to
> embedding special dispensation for sketchy practices, so I don't think
> anyone working on *OUR* project could "lift" it without telling
> subscribers "NO!"
>
> I expect I know the answer to this but do any of your sponsors require
> (or even request) that you mention them in the project web site or in the
> README?
No. And this is something I would never be able to agree to because
the agreement is with me not with PMC/project.
But for example Astron
يعني وش السالفة . شوفوا مودي طيب
في الأربعاء، ١٢ يناير ٢٠٢٢ ٩:١٢ م Bill Cole <
sa-bugz-20080...@billmail.scconsult.com> كتب:
> On 2022-01-12 at 08:51:37 UTC-0500 (Wed, 12 Jan 2022 08:51:37 -0500)
> Jim Jagielski
> is rumored to have said:
>
> > IMO, the foundation and the project should do nothi
On 2022-01-12 at 08:51:37 UTC-0500 (Wed, 12 Jan 2022 08:51:37 -0500)
Jim Jagielski
is rumored to have said:
IMO, the foundation and the project should do nothing associated with
this. It should neither encourage or condone it. In no way should we
enter into any agreement, contract, whatever, w
On 2022-01-12 at 10:41:22 UTC-0500 (Wed, 12 Jan 2022 08:41:22 -0700)
Ralph Goers
is rumored to have said:
That said, if the Tidelift model for people to be funded was “Your
project must adhere to all ASF process and guidelines AND you must
have a minimum of 3 active committers (proven by them
Jarek,
I expect I know the answer to this but do any of your sponsors require
(or even request) that you mention them in the project web site or in the
README?
What you are doing sounds fine to me simply because the agreement
you have doesn’t obligate the PMC to anything.
Tidelift’s business
Fascinating discussion. My understanding is exactly what Jim explained.
I also can explain how it works for me as an individual in Apache
Airflow. Apache Airflow has multiple stakeholders and I have regular
contracts with a few of them: Google, Astronomer. Also I got a
one-time GitHub Sponsorship
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 4:50 PM Ralph Goers wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Recently the Logging Services PMC was approached by Tidelift offering to
> provide monetary support either to the project or individual committers. To
> obtain that sponsorship the project has to agree to the terms at
> https
> On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:41 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> While I agree with your conclusion I do disagree with how you get there.
>
> In your first message you seemed to think that the “self-serving nature” of
> what Tidelift is doing is any different than what many companies have b
> On Jan 12, 2022, at 8:34 AM, Mohammad Noureldin
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have 2 questions:
> 1- How did that work in the case of Apache Struts ? Any details can be
> shared ?
In the case of Struts it appears there is only a single active committer and he
is the sole
person receiving funds
aintain it anymore, or any less, than anyone else, working
> within the confines of the project.
>
>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:16 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>
>> I agree that people should handle their affairs as they see fit RE Tidelift
>> but how should this b
h that in mind, I believe there is a catch ? If any of those
individuals, being (P)PMC member or not, stopped working on the target
project for whatever reason, What happens then ?
> > On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:16 AM, Gary Gregory
> wrote:
> >
> > I agree that people should handle their
ntee that. They cannot
maintain it anymore, or any less, than anyone else, working within the confines
of the project.
> On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:16 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>
> I agree that people should handle their affairs as they see fit RE Tidelift
> but how should this be allo
On 1/12/22 09:16, Gary Gregory wrote:
I agree that people should handle their affairs as they see fit RE Tidelift
but how should this be allowed to trickle in on Apache WRT mentions in web
sites and files like readme. IOW, should structs assets remove mentions of
Tidelift?
Yes. The
I agree that people should handle their affairs as they see fit RE Tidelift
but how should this be allowed to trickle in on Apache WRT mentions in web
sites and files like readme. IOW, should structs assets remove mentions of
Tidelift?
Gary
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 08:52 Jim Jagielski wrote
IMO, the foundation and the project should do nothing associated with this. It
should neither encourage or condone it. In no way should we enter into any
agreement, contract, whatever, w/ Tidelift. If Tidelift wishes to work
independently and directly w/ people, that's fine. But having the ASF a
Hi Ralph,
I think there's a fundraising angle to this as well due to the
acknowledgement requirement. David Nalley reached out to me with the
original Logging PMC thread as something he expected might need us to
get involved with. I'll be discussing this at our next fundraising
meeting Thur
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