Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

I’d have to give myself a badge for confusing a -1 with a veto long ago. More badge ideas! :) On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 20:44 Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > If it something fun and aimed at building community and opt-in then I’d > say go for it. > > > Here's the badges I have earned at Fedora: > >

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Hi, If it something fun and aimed at building community and opt-in then I’d say go for it. > Here's the badges I have earned at Fedora: > > https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/rcb > There's some fun ones there. I’d like to hand out a few of these

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On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:19 AM Daniel Gruno wrote: > I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more > tongue-in-cheek approach. > >From a peanut gallery: whatever we do THE ABOVE is the attitude I would advocate -- take it seriously and you stand a real chance of ruining your com

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

Hi Matthew, > On Apr 6, 2021, at 11:26 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote: > > - we can also maybe build on the Badgr project, is that what you would say > is preferable? > > - so ill out it on the incubator list? I would start by reading https://incubator.apache.org/cookbook/ Some of the requirements i

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

The Fedora badges idea, particularly the spur-of-the-moment badges, seems lighthearted enough to avoid a CV generator. I like it. On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 13:35, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > > On 4/6/21 2:26 PM, Matthew Sacks wrote: > > - we can also maybe build on the Badgr project, is that what you wou

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On 4/6/21 2:26 PM, Matthew Sacks wrote: - we can also maybe build on the Badgr project, is that what you would say is preferable? - so ill out it on the incubator list? What about the infra list? Should I mentioned it there? As I apparently completely misunderstood your purpose (viz: boot

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- we can also maybe build on the Badgr project, is that what you would say is preferable? - so ill out it on the incubator list? What about the infra list? Should I mentioned it there? On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 9:29 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 4/6/21 11:16 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote: > > 1) if rat

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

On 4/6/21 11:16 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote: 1) if rather build my own badge software from scratch for the ASF badge use specifically. It is indeed a software project, and yes you’ve fully misunderstood as you mentioned, WADR. Whether or not infra decides to use the software will be based on

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

1) if rather build my own badge software from scratch for the ASF badge use specifically. It is indeed a software project, and yes you’ve fully misunderstood as you mentioned, WADR. Whether or not infra decides to use the software will be based on the usefulness of the Podling PoC for the new bad

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On 4/6/21 10:57 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote: I’m not sure wtf it doing but this GT relying on the elder buffers and more experienced guidance (specifically Mark Thomas, JimJag’s input, Brett Porter) here goes: can we vote yes or no should this be turned into a proposal of some kind, incubator or o

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(X) This should be formalized ( ) this should not be formalized or proposed because: I vote +1 formalize a proposal for project hosting. On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 7:57 AM Matthew Sacks wrote: > I’m not sure wtf it doing but this GT relying on the elder buffers and > more experienced guidance (sp

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I’m not sure wtf it doing but this GT relying on the elder buffers and more experienced guidance (specifically Mark Thomas, JimJag’s input, Brett Porter) here goes: can we vote yes or no should this be turned into a proposal of some kind, incubator or other, depending on where it is most appropriat

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

Le mar. 6 avr. 2021 à 14:27, Rich Bowen a écrit : > > > On 4/6/21 3:59 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > Le mar. 6 avr. 2021 à 02:56, Justin Mclean a > > écrit : > > > >> The other issue I see is how are the badges awarded?... > >> > > > > IMO the only fair and "safe" way is to have factual b

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On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:30 PM Daniel Ferradal wrote: ... > I think I can safely say now , I won't take part on this subject any > more, and I don't like your attitude and tone one bit, independently > of what happens to this idea, which may end up being good for ASF.. or > not, yet you seem to be

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вт, 6 апр. 2021 г. в 03:02, Jarek Potiuk : > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:59 AM Johan Corveleyn wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM Daniel Ferradal > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands, > > > distinctions, badges, ribbo

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On 4/6/21 9:04 AM, Andrew Wetmore wrote: I am not dead sure, but I think this is the first comment in this conversation that there should be a chance to opt out of such a structure. On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 9:22 AM Rich Bowen wrote: Don't want to play along? Then don't! Opt out! I would

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FWIW, I'm not in favor of this if it's some kind of resume builder. This is the Community Development list. The places where I have seen badges done effectively, it's about community participation, not about any kind of "certification" or "authentication". It's about fun. It's about "community

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I am not dead sure, but I think this is the first comment in this conversation that there should be a chance to opt out of such a structure. On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 9:22 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > Don't want to play along? Then don't! Opt out! > > I would go further and suggest that the whole gam

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

On 4/6/21 3:59 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le mar. 6 avr. 2021 à 02:56, Justin Mclean a écrit : The other issue I see is how are the badges awarded?... IMO the only fair and "safe" way is to have factual badges. Things like "committer", "PMC member", "took the ASF media training" et

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On 4/6/21 6:52 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote: Next step is put up an incubator/podling proposal for vote? Wait what? No, this wouldn't be a podling, if you're proposing that we run a service like Badgr. It would just be a service that someone stands up and runs. A podling is for a new software

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

Wow. People are really taking this whimsical suggestion super-seriously On 4/5/21 8:56 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: Hi, Other foundations such as the linux foundation do have badges for their training courses and certification[1], but I don’t know of any that have badges for making contributions.

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First I want to appreciate Craig, Tim and others who tried to understand what I said instead of just disregarding a simple opinion like mine right away, for some people like me, wording may not be my forte (specially since english is not my native language), but they read it and tried to understand

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Next step is put up an incubator/podling proposal for vote? Is it the same incubator procedure as it’s a proposed infra service? Anyone willing to mentor? Champion? On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:50 AM Mark Thomas wrote: > On 06/04/2021 01:56, Justin Mclean wrote: > > > > > Depending on the badg

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Because it was unintelligible nonsense. WADR. On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 4:58 PM Craig Russell wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > Your message makes me think you did not get past Daniel's first eight > words. > > If you read the message, he gives a few reasons to dislike badges. > > Your snarky response is no

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:02 PM Jarek Potiuk wrote: > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:59 AM Johan Corveleyn wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM Daniel Ferradal > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands, > > > distinctions, badge

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

Please allow me to clarify. The badge is a certification method that can’t be fudged, not an award if any kind. Being apart of the ASF is it’s own award. This is just a certified badge that proves it and can’t be fudged like a “Microsoft certified” graphic, for example. I can claim ASF membership

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On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:50 AM Mark Thomas wrote: > On 06/04/2021 01:56, Justin Mclean wrote: > > > > > Depending on the badges it might also easy to game. e.g. if I need 100 > commits to get a badge, then I’m going to make lots of small commute rather > than one big one. If there a badge for e

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On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:00 AM Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Le mar. 6 avr. 2021 à 02:56, Justin Mclean a > écrit : > > > The other issue I see is how are the badges awarded?.. Via an infra certified API using strict rules? > > IMO the only fair and "safe" way is to have factual badges. Thin

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On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:47 PM Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi - > > I perceived sarcasm from you as well. What does that have to do with a new product? Let’s focus on meaningful work, not assassinating character because we don’t like, or like an idea. > > > I’m personally unsure about the best way to

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ache.org Betreff: Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges On 06/04/2021 01:56, Justin Mclean wrote: > Depending on the badges it might also easy to game. e.g. if I need 100 > commits to get a badge, then I’m going to make lots of small commute rather > than one big one

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

Le mar. 6 avr. 2021 à 02:56, Justin Mclean a écrit : > The other issue I see is how are the badges awarded?... > IMO the only fair and "safe" way is to have factual badges. Things like "committer", "PMC member", "took the ASF media training" etc which are all facts. Bertrand >

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On 06/04/2021 01:56, Justin Mclean wrote: Depending on the badges it might also easy to game. e.g. if I need 100 commits to get a badge, then I’m going to make lots of small commute rather than one big one. If there a badge for emails send to lest then I’m going to send more emails. I ‘m no

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Here are my 0.2 cents. On one side, some people will like this idea to show how much they did for the open-source and ASF projects. It would be a big encouragement for people around them. From this perspective, it is good for community development. On the other hand, this could be treated as a kind

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Hi, Other foundations such as the linux foundation do have badges for their training courses and certification[1], but I don’t know of any that have badges for making contributions. Openhub does track contribution and awards people a kudos score and badges based on contribution. e.g. [2] One d

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On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:24 PM Matthew Sacks wrote: > If you think there’s snark in my reply, you’ve misinterpreted it as I’m > dead serious. Instead of letting personal opinions on awards because of > what sounds like a bad personal experience indicates to me the real > benefit if the proposal

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Hi - I perceived sarcasm from you as well. I’m personally unsure about the best way to earn Apache merit badges. I would say that the metrics for badges ought not parallel too much other merit measures like committer, PMC, membership, and the rest. If too close then there will be questions for

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+1 On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:02 PM Jarek Potiuk wrote: > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:59 AM Johan Corveleyn wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM Daniel Ferradal > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands, > > > distinctions, b

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If you think there’s snark in my reply, you’ve misinterpreted it as I’m dead serious. Instead of letting personal opinions on awards because of what sounds like a bad personal experience indicates to me the real benefit if the proposal was missed, and why put down an idea that promotes pride in on

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:59 AM Johan Corveleyn wrote: > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM Daniel Ferradal > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands, > > distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar > > that distinguish a

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On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:15 PM Matthew Sacks wrote: > Thanks for your input. > > “I don’t like it” is your only reason? Hey Matthew, Reread his objection, he provided his rationale beyond the way you’ve characterized it. If you’re familiar with motivations, it’s the difference between creating

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Hi Matthew, Your message makes me think you did not get past Daniel's first eight words. If you read the message, he gives a few reasons to dislike badges. Your snarky response is not a good example of healthy community discussion. Craig > On Apr 5, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Matthew Sacks wrote: > >

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Thanks for your input. “I don’t like it” is your only reason? Perhaps we should get rid of the corporate thank you page? On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM Daniel Ferradal wrote: > Hello, > > In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands, > distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars

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On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM Daniel Ferradal wrote: > > Hello, > > In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands, > distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar > that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of > manipulation to persu

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Hello, In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands, distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want and may probably lead

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If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC. On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote: > > So far response has been more yay than nay. > > > > Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative? > > > > Vote? > > > > Podling setu

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On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote: So far response has been more yay than nay. Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative? Vote? Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service? There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here: 1) We request a VM from infra, and someo

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So far response has been more yay than nay. Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative? Vote? Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service? The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement, maybe. On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker wrote: > This sounds cool!

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This sounds cool! On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai wrote: > > wow, I like this idea very much! > > > > Best Regards > --- > DolphinScheduler PMC chair > Lidong Dai > dailidon...@gmail.com > --- > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks > wrote: > > > Note

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wow, I like this idea very much! Best Regards --- DolphinScheduler PMC chair Lidong Dai dailidon...@gmail.com --- On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks wrote: > Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s themselves. > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at

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Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s themselves. On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk wrote: > AaaaH .. No NFT please :). > > J. > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks > wrote: > > > Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate the badg

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AaaaH .. No NFT please :). J. On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks wrote: > Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate the badge > authenticity? > > I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic. > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > >

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On 4/5/21 8:30 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote: Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate the badge authenticity? I cannot even guess what this question means, in practical terms. What "badge" could we possibly give that would require this level of authentication? I was thin

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Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate the badge authenticity? I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic. On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > > I had a similar idea some years back, but with a sl

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more tongue-in-cheek approach. Some sample "merits" I had in mind then: - 1,000 commits within a year - 5,000 commits in total - 1,000 emails to our lists - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times - Cau

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

FWIW, there's a great implementation here: https://www.badgr.org/ It's GPL, and it's what Fedora uses for their very popular badge program. On 4/5/21 4:42 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote: Summary: Digital Merit badges ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other merit-based or

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more tongue-in-cheek approach. Some sample "merits" I had in mind then: - 1,000 commits within a year - 5,000 commits in total - 1,000 emails to our lists - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times - Caused at least one CVE - *Fixed* at least tha

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

I like the idea. > On Apr 5, 2021, at 16:42, Matthew Sacks wrote: > > Summary: Digital Merit badges > ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other > merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would > slow your name and summarize your involvement

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I like the idea. It's very similar to what has already been done at the ApacheCon every year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your generic "conference badge". https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968 J. On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted wrote: > I like th

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I like this idea.  Ted Liu 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would slow your name and summarize your invol

New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

Summary: Digital Merit badges ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions (volunteer, committer, member, board member, founding member,