On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 2:38 PM Rich Bowen wrote:
> ...So, yeah, let many flowers bloom, and hundreds or thousands of local
> user groups giving talks about Apache, and Apache projects. I have no
> objection whatsoever. But the moment we give them official recognition,
> and list them on an .apach
On 12/13/19 12:18 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
I've only been partially following, and I hear and respect the desire for "quality
control", but IMO, people talk about Apache all of the time in other events. For
example, when Flex joined the incubator in January 2012, there was a Flex user conferen
Hi -
I’ve tracking only loosely this effort. I am very happy to see Swapnil’s effort
and I can see this concept to be very helpful for real face to face community
growth. That is really important as people are connected in the real world!
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
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I've only been partially following, and I hear and respect the desire for
"quality control", but IMO, people talk about Apache all of the time in other
events. For example, when Flex joined the incubator in January 2012, there was
a Flex user conference shortly after in April 2012. I spoke the
Thank you so much Craig for your valuable feedback, all the details make
perfect sense.
We will incorporate all the respective details in the proposal.
- Thanks & Regards,
Swapnil M Mane,
www.apache.org
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 at 3:40 AM, Craig Russell wrote:
> Hi Swapnil,
>
> I realize I'm comin
Hi Swapnil,
I realize I'm coming late to this discussion but would like to offer a small
bit of feedback.
Like others, I think we need to try to get qualified people running local
groups. One Member plus two PMC members gives us three, which is a magic number
for decision-making here. Even if
Thank you so much, everyone, for your kind and valuable inputs.
As a next step, we will work on drafting the ALC proposal to the board.
- Best regards,
Swapnil M Mane,
www.apache.org
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 12:20 AM Rich Bowen wrote:
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> On 12/6/19 4:42 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > One p
On 12/6/19 4:42 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
One potential (if not solution -- but at least a line of thought) could be
to bring these efforts into the fold officially by requiring them to be
official sub-projects of ComDev PMC. Then we can have a policy requiring
a certain governance oversight
+1
I think Swapnil's done an amazing job documenting in confluence.
Swapnil, could you write it up on-list (so the text that's being voted
on is clear and won't be open for editing while the vote is happening)?
If you'd like help, I'd be happy to work on any additional draft work
that you mi
Ross
From: Rich Bowen
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 6:58 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: ALC, and who can speak on behalf of Apache
I wonder if we have discussed this into the ground sufficiently to come
up with a proposal that we can vote on and repo
I wonder if we have discussed this into the ground sufficiently to come
up with a proposal that we can vote on and report to the board on? I
think there's been great discussion, and that we have consensus on a
number of things. And there are several local groups waiting for
answers, as well as
Awesome, thank you Daniel for sharing the exciting insights and updates.
All the outreach ideas are great.
Just sharing for information purposes, ALC Indore organized an event
for students (like as you mentioned extra credit labs where students
understand and contribute to a project) in September
Dear Issac,
As I mentioned earlier, with the introduction of ALC, any existing
things will not be affected, instead, it will open the doors for new
great opportunities.
My kind response to your concerns is already included in this mail
thread and links shared above.
We will surely have various pos
On 12/9/2019 8:05 PM, Swapnil M Mane wrote:
-- It will help build and expand communities.
If we have multiple local meetups by different groups,
there will not be a single place where Apache enthusiasts can meet.
Through ALC we can unite them and it will strenghth our community
reach at that lo
On 12/9/2019 12:05 PM, Swapnil M Mane wrote:
> *Important* - Targeting university as a goal was just an example.
> Our goal as foundation could be anything and I am just saying
> these local ALC will help us in getting them executed is a more efficient
> and impactful way in the local region.
Yes.
Thank you Issac and Eric for raising your concerns.
Let me give a brief history from where the idea of forming official
local community was initiated.
Recently, I got the opportunity to explore the possibility of
having roadshow in India.
During this process, I faced many challenges in contacting
On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 7:48 AM Issac Goldstand wrote:
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> >> I've mentioned before that my standpoint is that it's impossible to
> >> properly police every fan driven event out there, and I seem to
> >> recall that use of a trademark by fans in a manner that isn't making
> >> profits is gen
I've mentioned before that my standpoint is that it's impossible to
properly police every fan driven event out there, and I seem to
recall that use of a trademark by fans in a manner that isn't making
profits is generally considered acceptable use. Is it not therefore
a good-enoungh way t
From: Swapnil M Mane
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 2:32:51 PM
To: Rich Bowen ; dev
Subject: Re: ALC, and who can speak on behalf of Apache
Thank you so much Rich for the kind words and expression, I highly
appreciate your constant guidance! :-)
On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at
Thank you so much Rich for the kind words and expression, I highly
appreciate your constant guidance! :-)
On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 8:13 PM Rich Bowen wrote:
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> Some responses/thoughts inline. Thank you, Swapnil, for your
> constructive engagement in this conversation. I *hugely* appreciate you
>
Thank you so much, Daniel for your kind words. I am grateful to you! :-)
Kindly have look at my response inline.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 6:23 PM Daniel Ruggeri wrote:
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> On December 4, 2019 11:31:17 PM CST, Swapnil M Mane
> wrote:
> >Thank you all for your constant support and guidance in t
On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 12:15 PM Rich Bowen wrote:
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> I've made two posts on this list in the past couple of days regarding
> the rising ACL effort and my concerns about it.
>
> I *desperately* want this kind of grass-roots enthusiast community
> effort. I do NOT want to kill it. But I've learned
Hello All:
The issue seems to balance control against growth (along the lines Apache wants
to
foster).
A way to do this would be to ensure there is a clear Apache entity, where the
ideals
and standards can be learned on these topics. As new issues arise, positions
should
be considered and d
On 12/6/19 12:19 PM, Austin Bennett wrote:
The bits on mentorship make some sense, although I am confused. If about
who is allowed/endorsed to speak on behalf of the ASF, then:
* Should only speakers at events be of a condoned status (how are they
vetted)?
No, I think that's overkill. Havi
And that's why I suggested required disclaimers. Big events have disclaimers.
That way, Apache is not endorsing their message as 100% accurate on behalf of
the foundation, just their attempt to get the message out. Sounds like Rich
will make sure there is some ASF-experienced people involved,
The bits on mentorship make some sense, although I am confused. If about
who is allowed/endorsed to speak on behalf of the ASF, then:
* Should only speakers at events be of a condoned status (how are they
vetted)?
or:
* Would a required minimum number of mentors (PMC/Foundation members) be
requir
On 12/4/19 5:56 PM, Issac Goldstand wrote:
On Dec 4, 2019 22:15, Rich Bowen wrote:
. But I've learned from Fedora user
groups that allowing any random stranger to start up a group, using our
Trademarks, to promote whatever message comes into their head, is
*going* to bite u
Some responses/thoughts inline. Thank you, Swapnil, for your
constructive engagement in this conversation. I *hugely* appreciate you
taking on this initiative, and your willingness to hear, and respond
professionally to, criticism.
On 12/5/19 12:31 AM, Swapnil M Mane wrote:
Thank you all for
On 12/5/19 12:10 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
From the peanut gallery: IMO, without a formal training/certification program, what
even an ASF Member understands about the Apache Way, not to mention committers who are
not members, is up for grabs. It is essentially the party game "telephone"
whe
From the peanut gallery: IMO, without a formal training/certification program,
what even an ASF Member understands about the Apache Way, not to mention
committers who are not members, is up for grabs. It is essentially the party
game "telephone" where one person says something to another perso
> On Dec 5, 2019, at 3:52 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
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> Picking up on one point
>
> On 05/12/2019 05:31, Swapnil M Mane wrote:
>
>> -- To form an ALC, there should be at least 2 committers or 1 ASF member.
>
> I don't agree with this. I don't think this is acceptable. The bar for
> committershi
On December 4, 2019 11:31:17 PM CST, Swapnil M Mane
wrote:
>Thank you all for your constant support and guidance in the ALC [1]
>initiative.
>
>Thank you so much Rich, Daniel, Issac, Shane, and David for spending
>time and energy to share your
>thoughts, we highly appreciate it. All the points
Picking up on one point
On 05/12/2019 05:31, Swapnil M Mane wrote:
> -- To form an ALC, there should be at least 2 committers or 1 ASF member.
I don't agree with this. I don't think this is acceptable. The bar for
committership is too low to be used as a test for "Understands the
Apache Way". To
Thank you all for your constant support and guidance in the ALC [1] initiative.
Thank you so much Rich, Daniel, Issac, Shane, and David for spending
time and energy to share your
thoughts, we highly appreciate it. All the points you mentioned are
very important.
Dear team,
I would like to discuss
On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 3:15 PM Rich Bowen wrote:
>
> I've made two posts on this list in the past couple of days regarding
> the rising ACL effort and my concerns about it.
>
> I *desperately* want this kind of grass-roots enthusiast community
> effort. I do NOT want to kill it. But I've learned f
Rich Bowen wrote on 2019-12-4 3:15PM EST:
> I've made two posts on this list in the past couple of days regarding
> the rising ACL effort and my concerns about it.
>
> I *desperately* want this kind of grass-roots enthusiast community
> effort. I do NOT want to kill it. But I've learned from Fedor
On Dec 4, 2019 22:15, Rich Bowen wrote:
. But I've learned from Fedora user
groups that allowing any random stranger to start up a group, using our
Trademarks, to promote whatever message comes into their head, is
*going* to bite us in the butt, sooner rather than later.
Are these
I would suggest adding some sort of required pre-approval of the overall
content at the ALC meetings, by active consent (not lazy consensus).
- Is it going to be about the Apache Way and Open Source?
- It is going to be solely "I wanna sell you this!"?
- Are there experienced people present from
I've made two posts on this list in the past couple of days regarding
the rising ACL effort and my concerns about it.
I *desperately* want this kind of grass-roots enthusiast community
effort. I do NOT want to kill it. But I've learned from Fedora user
groups that allowing any random stranger
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