Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Yes, this has been mulled dozens of times over the years, and this "if it didn't happen on mailing list it didn't happened at all" is the bottom line. Note; the maturity model doesn't mention mailing lists, other than footnote 11 talking about what happens outside public space. However, one person

Re: Mysterious email reflector

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
2015/8/11 上午1:40於 "Benson Margulies" 寫道: > > Is everyone else seeing endless copies reflected from line0928769...@gmail.com?

Re: Mysterious email reflector

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
2015/8/11 上午7:26於 "Marvin Humphrey" 寫道: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:42 AM, sebb wrote: > > > A moderator could unsubscribe them... > > I wonder if a moderator has approved their messages and added them to > the "allow" list. We could detect that case if the culprit is > subscribed to dev-allow@

Re: Mysterious email reflector

2015-08-10 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:42 AM, sebb wrote: > A moderator could unsubscribe them... I wonder if a moderator has approved their messages and added them to the "allow" list. We could detect that case if the culprit is subscribed to dev-allow@community but not dev@community. I'm trying to under

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
2015/8/11 上午5:17於 "林晉樟" 寫道: > > > 2015/8/11 上午5:16於 "Eduardo Enocia" 寫道: > > > > Sent from my ALCATEL one touch Android. > > On Aug 7, 2015 6:13 PM, "Ulrich Stärk" wrote: > > > > > We use it to communicate with people in all parts of the world. US, South > > > America, Several European > > > count

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
2015/8/11 上午5:16於 "Eduardo Enocia" 寫道: > > Sent from my ALCATEL one touch Android. > On Aug 7, 2015 6:13 PM, "Ulrich Stärk" wrote: > > > We use it to communicate with people in all parts of the world. US, South > > America, Several European > > countries, Asia. So I'd say it's pretty global. > > >

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread Eduardo Enocia
Sent from my ALCATEL one touch Android. On Aug 7, 2015 6:13 PM, "Ulrich Stärk" wrote: > We use it to communicate with people in all parts of the world. US, South > America, Several European > countries, Asia. So I'd say it's pretty global. > > Uli > > On 06.08.15 19:24, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:

Re: Mysterious email reflector

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
林晉樟 於 2015年8月11日週二 2:26 寫道: > > > Marvin Humphrey 於 2015年8月11日週二 1:45 寫道: > >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Benson Margulies >> wrote: >> > Is everyone else seeing endless copies reflected from >> line0928769...@gmail.com? >> >> Yes. This list seems to receive a lot of attention from spam

Re: Mysterious email reflector

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
Marvin Humphrey 於 2015年8月11日週二 1:45 寫道: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Benson Margulies > wrote: > > Is everyone else seeing endless copies reflected from > line0928769...@gmail.com? > > Yes. This list seems to receive a lot of attention from spammers. I > suspect that those emails origin

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
HI, > On 10 Aug 15, at 14:10, Ajoy Bhatia wrote: > > Just wanted to make a comment on the mail from Louis Suárez-Potts < > lui...@gmail.com>, in which he related his conversation with James H., a > Slack engineer. Comments are inline below. Highlighting is mine: > > So, I pinged the nice folks

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
Ajoy Bhatia 於 2015年8月11日週二 2:11 寫道: > Just wanted to make a comment on the mail from Louis Suárez-Potts < > lui...@gmail.com>, in which he related his conversation with James H., a > Slack engineer. Comments are inline below. Highlighting is mine: > > So, I pinged the nice folks at Slack (and the

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread Ajoy Bhatia
Just wanted to make a comment on the mail from Louis Suárez-Potts < lui...@gmail.com>, in which he related his conversation with James H., a Slack engineer. Comments are inline below. Highlighting is mine: So, I pinged the nice folks at Slack (and they really are nice!, or at > least the guy I com

Re: Mysterious email reflector

2015-08-10 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > Is everyone else seeing endless copies reflected from > line0928769...@gmail.com? Yes. This list seems to receive a lot of attention from spammers. I suspect that those emails originally had binary attachments which have been stripped

Re: Mysterious email reflector

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
2015/8/11 上午1:42於 "sebb" 寫道: > > Yes. > > A moderator could unsubscribe them... > > On 10 August 2015 at 18:40, Benson Margulies wrote: > > Is everyone else seeing endless copies reflected from line0928769...@gmail.com?

Re: Mysterious email reflector

2015-08-10 Thread sebb
Yes. A moderator could unsubscribe them... On 10 August 2015 at 18:40, Benson Margulies wrote: > Is everyone else seeing endless copies reflected from > line0928769...@gmail.com?

Mysterious email reflector

2015-08-10 Thread Benson Margulies
Is everyone else seeing endless copies reflected from line0928769...@gmail.com?

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
2015/8/11 上午1:38於 "林晉樟" 寫道: > > > 2015/8/11 上午1:36於 "林晉樟" 寫道: > > > > > > 2015/8/11 上午1:36於 "林晉樟" 寫道: > > > > > > > > > 2015/8/11 上午1:35於 "Benson Margulies" 寫道: > > > > > > > > I think it's important to recognize how the board and the foundation > > > > have handled this issue over time. > > > > >

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
2015/8/11 上午1:36於 "林晉樟" 寫道: > > > 2015/8/11 上午1:35於 "Benson Margulies" 寫道: > > > > I think it's important to recognize how the board and the foundation > > have handled this issue over time. > > > > The absolute requirement is open decision-making. Avoiding real-time > > communications avoids many

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
2015/8/11 上午1:36於 "林晉樟" 寫道: > > > 2015/8/11 上午1:36於 "林晉樟" 寫道: > > > > > > 2015/8/11 上午1:35於 "Benson Margulies" 寫道: > > > > > > I think it's important to recognize how the board and the foundation > > > have handled this issue over time. > > > > > > The absolute requirement is open decision-making.

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
2015/8/11 上午1:35於 "Benson Margulies" 寫道: > > I think it's important to recognize how the board and the foundation > have handled this issue over time. > > The absolute requirement is open decision-making. Avoiding real-time > communications avoids many possible failures of open decision-making. > (

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread Benson Margulies
I think it's important to recognize how the board and the foundation have handled this issue over time. The absolute requirement is open decision-making. Avoiding real-time communications avoids many possible failures of open decision-making. (Not, of course, all.) After all, the simplest primrose

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
Steve Rowe 於 2015/8/11週二 0:21 寫道: > > > On Aug 9, 2015, at 8:52 PM, Roman Shaposhnik > wrote: > > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > > wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, jay vyas > wrote: > >>> ...1) We have to trust PMCs to foster a healthy and transparent > ro

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
Jay Vyas 於 2015/8/11週二 1:00 寫道: > A great offset to the **true danger** which is "Real time closed door > communication" is "Real time open communication.". > > This gives the open source engineer a defensible reason to be transparent > tell "we can easily have this discussion in the community".

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread Jay Vyas
A great offset to the **true danger** which is "Real time closed door communication" is "Real time open communication.". This gives the open source engineer a defensible reason to be transparent tell "we can easily have this discussion in the community" > On Aug 10, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Ma

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread Tony Stevenson
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 09:43:39AM -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Steve Rowe wrote: > > > If Slack could be configured to send a periodic transcript to the project’s > > dev mailing list, problem solved, no? It only works to the extent that summaries are then a

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread 林晉樟
Marvin Humphrey 於 2015/8/11週二 0:43 寫道: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Steve Rowe wrote: > > > If Slack could be configured to send a periodic transcript to the > project’s dev mailing list, problem solved, no? > > No. People in out-of-the-way time zones are excluded when issues are > worked

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Steve Rowe wrote: > If Slack could be configured to send a periodic transcript to the project’s > dev mailing list, problem solved, no? No. People in out-of-the-way time zones are excluded when issues are worked out during rapid-fire discussions. So are hobbyis

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread jan i
On Monday, August 10, 2015, Steve Rowe wrote: > > > On Aug 9, 2015, at 8:52 PM, Roman Shaposhnik > wrote: > > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > > > wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, jay vyas > wrote: > >>> ...1) We have to trust PMCs to foster a healthy and tra

Re: slack

2015-08-10 Thread Steve Rowe
> On Aug 9, 2015, at 8:52 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, jay vyas wrote: >>> ...1) We have to trust PMCs to foster a healthy and transparent roadmap. >>> Exclusive cliques and backchannels should n